134a Refrigerant
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hljKe.547$fk6.146@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com. ..
> >> cryo is NOT a part of commercial refrigeration. grasp boy! :-)
> >
> > It *is* a part of refrigeration
>
> cryo is its own specialized segment. cryo is not considered
refrigeration.
Another howler... I thought you had it topped before.
Congrats! Your ignorance knows no bounds!
> > who ever said
> > anything about 'commercial refrigeration'?
>
> i have from the beginning.
Not in the post where you made the boast!
(poetic, eh?)
> > And didn't you make some wild-*** claim
> > to be more qualified to work on it than me?
>
> i said id bet im more qualified to work on it than you are to even speak
of
> it. that does NOT mean im claiming to be a qualified cryo tech. if you
> know so much, give me the working pressures, give me the PMB.
I've already spec'ed 'em... go back and read,
I'm not your nursemaid!
> > You forget... I have a bachelor's degree from
> > a four-year state university
>
> lol AND?!?!?!? my mom has a masters degree in education but it doesnt
> qualify her to speak with authority on refrigeration. :-)
And just what gives you the right to speak with
authority on atmospheric science?
> > I certainly wouldn't call
> > it *nothing*
>
> it is as it relates to refrigeration, which is the topic of our
discussion.
Physics, Nate... it's what all the other
sciences are based on. And our current
threadwar concerns your ignorance of
the effects of CFC's on the ozone layer.
Your welching a challenge is just a side
trip from that.
> > and just because you don't want
> > cryo to be part of refrigeration doesn't mean that
> > it's not.
>
> show me ANY hvac/r course taught at any tech school that includes cryo.
>
> you cant.
How about this one?
http://www.pe.gatech.edu/conted/serv...?COURSE_ID=543
loser...
> >> > one you *forgot* about
> >> > when crowing about your so-called encyclopedic
> >> > knowlege of refrigeration.
> >
> >> #1 i never said ---- about _knowledge_.
> >
> > You said:
> >>the only area i dont consider myself qualified on yet is ground
> >>source/geo thermal.
> > Couldn't be plainer.
>
> youre so full of ----. i have _knowledge_ about how the human heart
works.
> that does not make me qualified to work on it. as i said above, i never
> said ---- about _knowledge_, my statement was about qualifications.
Spin! More spin! Pick nits, make up strawmen,
fish red herrings! Are you qualified to work on
cryogenic refrigeration?
> > > ....my statement was
> > > _qualified_.....you know.....recognizing my
> > > own limitations
> >
> > Stop, I'm gonna hurl again!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i have nothing to say"
Well, *I* do... see my dot.sig!
> > Your poor little neck is not going to keep
> > supporting your head if you keep spinning
> > like this... have a care!
>
> little neck? :-) lol boy id bet i got more neck than you got theigh.
That I'd readily believe... still, you're about
to spin it away! ('theigh'?)
> > How many times did I have to prod him
> > before he'd talk about cryo?
>
> because cryo isnt refrigeration.
Then why did you deign to discuss it?
I had to call you a ----- before you'd
bite... and bite you did! Enjoy the meal!
> >> you sure do seem fascinated with my genetalia.
> >
> > More sick transferrence
>
> coming from someone who continues to mention my male parts? :-)
I'm afraid you'll have to point the 'continues'
part out to us... nobody else here sees this.
> >> BUWHAHA! :-) talk all your ---- about how youre the cryo man yet you
> > cant
> >> even tell me what the PMB is, much less how to adjust it.
> >
> > And yet I wrote:
> > <>
> > I suppose
> > you could say that the PMB is achieving
> > 15K... good enough.
> > </>
>
> WRONG!
Buttsmoke!
> > Why would you adjust a Performance Measurement
> > Baseline?
>
> lol WRONG AGAIN! youre no cryo man, but i knew that long before you
choked
> on the basic PMB.
Your command of TLA's is almost as amazing
as your ignorance of your limitations... we can
all see you hiding behind them, like they were
the be-all and end-all of your schooling.
Once again, if you'll relate what you think
PMB means, I'll relate how I already know
something about it.
> > Make a site pointing out my lies... that
> > should keep you busy!
>
> lol YOU SAID IT! :-) would take me days to republish all your lies.
We're not going to hold our breath... forgive
us.
> > I've already given it... with no low ambient, there's
> > no need for a head pressure control. Just bypass it.
>
> WRONG you ignorant fool. you would spend 10X the amount of time
attempting
> to bypass it as you would to install the correct substitute. try again.
Time is no object... I spec'ed a usable
substitute. In no way was I supposed
to spec the *best* substitute... only
a usable one.
> > Like your knowlege of the ozone layer?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i have no response"
Indeed! Your complete lack of response to
this recurring question is noted!
> > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > is not required.
>
> lol you say that as if you knew it before i told you weeks ago. :-) glad
> to see something finally sank in, although youll LIE and claim you knew it
> on your own and then ill have to link to the post where i said it first.
I mentioned it to *you* a *month* ago... here's
the post again:
<>
I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
temps coming, you could just do without the
HPC (proper terminology).
</>
Dated July 5th... here's the link:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...04362e0709ebbd
I'm *sure* we'll all be *very* interested to see
your post predating this one. Your ----in' goose
is cooked on that one, dude... one fried -------,
comin' up. Go ahead, post your link!
> and it doesnt matter, so long as it is in the system there is required
> regulation so choke on that for a bit. :-)
The TEV or Klixon will handle that... or didn't
you realize this?
> > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > is not required. You may be up on the roof moving
> > some valve, but I never specified that, and even
> > showed how your conjecture makes no sense, given
> > that there is no reason to have two valves if you
> > want to modulate the refrigerant flow... you'd only
> > need one
>
> LIAR! you said "two valves and a pipe" BUWHAHA! :-)
How does this substitute for a three-port
device? I was subbing for a two-port one!
No bypass in my system! You go ahead and
climb the roof... and tell us how to make a
Y-pipe out of one piece of pipe. Hint: it's
very difficult without a tee.
>
> > there is no reason to have two valves if you
> > want to modulate the refrigerant flow... you'd only
> > need one.
>
> WRONG! just because youre regulation pressure into the condensor does NOT
> mean you can dump back into the reciever without regulation. try again.
Two-port device! Simple head pressure control
application... no bypass.
> > You'll have to con*cede* your ignorance of
> > the ozone layer first
>
> lol doesnt matter. ill just keep kicking your *** on your PITIFUL
grasping
> with your two valves and a pipe! :-)
Turns out that I was right on... and you were
'out in the cold, stuck on the roof'.
> > This is not about Dupont... it's about UV.
>
> uh-huh...and it all started the same year their patent on 22 ran out was
> just coincidence. lol.
I've already posted links talking about the
patent... catch up, that's old stuff you're
rehashing. Those patents expired in the '50s,
remember? I kicked your *** with it.
Here, lay down and I'll kick it some more:
http://www.imcool.com/articles/airco...nt_history.htm
Say Uncle Please, and I'll let you up off the floor.
> > Two classes in college physics... the degree
> > was posted by Bill. Your turn!
>
> i want to see ANYTHING from you that qualifies you to work on cryo or
> refrigeration.
I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
that qualify?
> > Then why two valves, Nate?
>
> hey, its your stupid recommendation!
You're the idiot cranking valves on
the roof!
> > It is
> > obvious that I meant the valves to
> > close off the system when the new
> > part was installed
>
> LIAR! the only thing obvious here is that you are speaking from ignorance
> and nothing more.
He's fading, folks... I predict he can't
last much longer. Really stretching on
this one...
> > It's as proven as Evolution... wanna talk about
> > that one?
>
> i fully believe you havent evolved beyond sniffing your finger after
digging
> your ***.
See? He's running out of tricks...
> > The whole civilized world changed
> > refrigerants
>
> LIAR! you can buy all you want throughout central america to include
> mexico.
I said 'civilized', moron...
> > you *had* to have noticed when
> > R22 was not as available as before
>
> wtf? i just bought 300 pounds of it for truck stock last week. didnt
have
> a bit of trouble getting it.
My bad... manufacturing phaseout is due
by January 2010. Sorry for the mistake.
> >> no. its basic refrigeration 101. :-) you dont need to recover
anything
> >> when you can pump it down into its own receiver......but i wouldnt
expect
> >> you to know ANYTHING about that. :-)
> >
> > Doesn't there have to be a valve in the system?
>
> there is already a full valve system in place to do just that.
>
>
> > Does every air conditioning system have this
> > valve? Does my home AC have one? I don't
> > think so.
>
> lol of course not you stupid ----. we arent talking a/c systems here.
> we're talking low temp applications.
So all systems don't have the valve? Does
an icemaker have the valve?
> >> so your suggestion is that you can hire someone working the drive
through
> >> window at mcdonalds to be a cryo tech? and if you COULD do that, it
just
> >> waters down your whole claim to being mr. cryo. :-)
> >
> > Your straw man has red herrings hanging
> > out of its ears
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i cannot answer your question"
Obviously you can hire anyone you want...
no certification is required to work on
cryogenic refrigeration systems that use
non-harmful gasses. Satisfied? I am...
> > Meanwhile, you might post a link showing
> > the necessity of a certification for working
> > on cryo. I got the job without one... chief
> > site tech.
>
> lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you cant
> even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right...
believe me, it's not easy to get an email address
like 'scowell@vlbacc.aoc.nrao.edu' without
working there.
This is the second time you've attempted to hide
behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
a jerk. Of course, if you tell me what the acronym
stands for, then the same thing will happen again,
and you *know* it. As before, I promise not
to google before my first answer... this time,
please make sure that your PMB is not a brand
name, or if so, please give the proper function
of same.
And, as with every other thing in your limited
universe, there's a book, written by real engineers,
that explains the installation, maintenance, and
adjustment of it.
> > Everything you
> > asked for is in there.
>
> lol NOTHING I asked for is in there. smoke and mirrors trying to hide
your
> ignorance.
Working pressures:
<>
The helium is
sprayed in at 200psi, then pumped out by
the fiber pistons at 65psi...
</>
Performance Measurement Baseline:
<>
I suppose
you could say that the PMB is achieving
15K... good enough.
</>
> > Your problem... you don't trust anyone...
>
> no, i dont trust LIARS like you stevie.
How can a person lie, when all of the
previous text is available for everyone
to read? Calling someone a 'liar' in
our current context is ridiculous... we
all can read. Really, it's all you've got
left... if only wishes were fishes!
> > Oh, *that's* your problem... you resent those
> > people. Well, suck it up, get over it... you'll
> > be happier in life after you do.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right.....you need me to think for you"
>
> sorry boy, you LOST the '00 and '04 presidential elections, not to mention
> senate/etc. as a country we're sick of you, and your power is slipping
> daily. :-)
Read the polls, and suck them up. The lamest of
lame duck presidencies is going down the tubes
spectacularly, and the history books will have a
field day with it. This one will stink for generations,
count on it. And you're one of the ones we can
thank for it!
> > since you'd
> > still be using R22 if not for the world scientific
> > community.
>
> what the ---- are you talking about? i used a good 60 pounds of r22 TODAY
> ALONE.
I confuse R22 and R12... my bad.
Just for that, I give you permission to
vent some pounds while thinking of me...
again.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic)."... Nate
..
#4312
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Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11fjj2glvlqh302@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hljKe.547$fk6.146@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com. ..
> >> cryo is NOT a part of commercial refrigeration. grasp boy! :-)
> >
> > It *is* a part of refrigeration
>
> cryo is its own specialized segment. cryo is not considered
refrigeration.
Another howler... I thought you had it topped before.
Congrats! Your ignorance knows no bounds!
> > who ever said
> > anything about 'commercial refrigeration'?
>
> i have from the beginning.
Not in the post where you made the boast!
(poetic, eh?)
> > And didn't you make some wild-*** claim
> > to be more qualified to work on it than me?
>
> i said id bet im more qualified to work on it than you are to even speak
of
> it. that does NOT mean im claiming to be a qualified cryo tech. if you
> know so much, give me the working pressures, give me the PMB.
I've already spec'ed 'em... go back and read,
I'm not your nursemaid!
> > You forget... I have a bachelor's degree from
> > a four-year state university
>
> lol AND?!?!?!? my mom has a masters degree in education but it doesnt
> qualify her to speak with authority on refrigeration. :-)
And just what gives you the right to speak with
authority on atmospheric science?
> > I certainly wouldn't call
> > it *nothing*
>
> it is as it relates to refrigeration, which is the topic of our
discussion.
Physics, Nate... it's what all the other
sciences are based on. And our current
threadwar concerns your ignorance of
the effects of CFC's on the ozone layer.
Your welching a challenge is just a side
trip from that.
> > and just because you don't want
> > cryo to be part of refrigeration doesn't mean that
> > it's not.
>
> show me ANY hvac/r course taught at any tech school that includes cryo.
>
> you cant.
How about this one?
http://www.pe.gatech.edu/conted/serv...?COURSE_ID=543
loser...
> >> > one you *forgot* about
> >> > when crowing about your so-called encyclopedic
> >> > knowlege of refrigeration.
> >
> >> #1 i never said ---- about _knowledge_.
> >
> > You said:
> >>the only area i dont consider myself qualified on yet is ground
> >>source/geo thermal.
> > Couldn't be plainer.
>
> youre so full of ----. i have _knowledge_ about how the human heart
works.
> that does not make me qualified to work on it. as i said above, i never
> said ---- about _knowledge_, my statement was about qualifications.
Spin! More spin! Pick nits, make up strawmen,
fish red herrings! Are you qualified to work on
cryogenic refrigeration?
> > > ....my statement was
> > > _qualified_.....you know.....recognizing my
> > > own limitations
> >
> > Stop, I'm gonna hurl again!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i have nothing to say"
Well, *I* do... see my dot.sig!
> > Your poor little neck is not going to keep
> > supporting your head if you keep spinning
> > like this... have a care!
>
> little neck? :-) lol boy id bet i got more neck than you got theigh.
That I'd readily believe... still, you're about
to spin it away! ('theigh'?)
> > How many times did I have to prod him
> > before he'd talk about cryo?
>
> because cryo isnt refrigeration.
Then why did you deign to discuss it?
I had to call you a ----- before you'd
bite... and bite you did! Enjoy the meal!
> >> you sure do seem fascinated with my genetalia.
> >
> > More sick transferrence
>
> coming from someone who continues to mention my male parts? :-)
I'm afraid you'll have to point the 'continues'
part out to us... nobody else here sees this.
> >> BUWHAHA! :-) talk all your ---- about how youre the cryo man yet you
> > cant
> >> even tell me what the PMB is, much less how to adjust it.
> >
> > And yet I wrote:
> > <>
> > I suppose
> > you could say that the PMB is achieving
> > 15K... good enough.
> > </>
>
> WRONG!
Buttsmoke!
> > Why would you adjust a Performance Measurement
> > Baseline?
>
> lol WRONG AGAIN! youre no cryo man, but i knew that long before you
choked
> on the basic PMB.
Your command of TLA's is almost as amazing
as your ignorance of your limitations... we can
all see you hiding behind them, like they were
the be-all and end-all of your schooling.
Once again, if you'll relate what you think
PMB means, I'll relate how I already know
something about it.
> > Make a site pointing out my lies... that
> > should keep you busy!
>
> lol YOU SAID IT! :-) would take me days to republish all your lies.
We're not going to hold our breath... forgive
us.
> > I've already given it... with no low ambient, there's
> > no need for a head pressure control. Just bypass it.
>
> WRONG you ignorant fool. you would spend 10X the amount of time
attempting
> to bypass it as you would to install the correct substitute. try again.
Time is no object... I spec'ed a usable
substitute. In no way was I supposed
to spec the *best* substitute... only
a usable one.
> > Like your knowlege of the ozone layer?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i have no response"
Indeed! Your complete lack of response to
this recurring question is noted!
> > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > is not required.
>
> lol you say that as if you knew it before i told you weeks ago. :-) glad
> to see something finally sank in, although youll LIE and claim you knew it
> on your own and then ill have to link to the post where i said it first.
I mentioned it to *you* a *month* ago... here's
the post again:
<>
I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
temps coming, you could just do without the
HPC (proper terminology).
</>
Dated July 5th... here's the link:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...04362e0709ebbd
I'm *sure* we'll all be *very* interested to see
your post predating this one. Your ----in' goose
is cooked on that one, dude... one fried -------,
comin' up. Go ahead, post your link!
> and it doesnt matter, so long as it is in the system there is required
> regulation so choke on that for a bit. :-)
The TEV or Klixon will handle that... or didn't
you realize this?
> > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > is not required. You may be up on the roof moving
> > some valve, but I never specified that, and even
> > showed how your conjecture makes no sense, given
> > that there is no reason to have two valves if you
> > want to modulate the refrigerant flow... you'd only
> > need one
>
> LIAR! you said "two valves and a pipe" BUWHAHA! :-)
How does this substitute for a three-port
device? I was subbing for a two-port one!
No bypass in my system! You go ahead and
climb the roof... and tell us how to make a
Y-pipe out of one piece of pipe. Hint: it's
very difficult without a tee.
>
> > there is no reason to have two valves if you
> > want to modulate the refrigerant flow... you'd only
> > need one.
>
> WRONG! just because youre regulation pressure into the condensor does NOT
> mean you can dump back into the reciever without regulation. try again.
Two-port device! Simple head pressure control
application... no bypass.
> > You'll have to con*cede* your ignorance of
> > the ozone layer first
>
> lol doesnt matter. ill just keep kicking your *** on your PITIFUL
grasping
> with your two valves and a pipe! :-)
Turns out that I was right on... and you were
'out in the cold, stuck on the roof'.
> > This is not about Dupont... it's about UV.
>
> uh-huh...and it all started the same year their patent on 22 ran out was
> just coincidence. lol.
I've already posted links talking about the
patent... catch up, that's old stuff you're
rehashing. Those patents expired in the '50s,
remember? I kicked your *** with it.
Here, lay down and I'll kick it some more:
http://www.imcool.com/articles/airco...nt_history.htm
Say Uncle Please, and I'll let you up off the floor.
> > Two classes in college physics... the degree
> > was posted by Bill. Your turn!
>
> i want to see ANYTHING from you that qualifies you to work on cryo or
> refrigeration.
I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
that qualify?
> > Then why two valves, Nate?
>
> hey, its your stupid recommendation!
You're the idiot cranking valves on
the roof!
> > It is
> > obvious that I meant the valves to
> > close off the system when the new
> > part was installed
>
> LIAR! the only thing obvious here is that you are speaking from ignorance
> and nothing more.
He's fading, folks... I predict he can't
last much longer. Really stretching on
this one...
> > It's as proven as Evolution... wanna talk about
> > that one?
>
> i fully believe you havent evolved beyond sniffing your finger after
digging
> your ***.
See? He's running out of tricks...
> > The whole civilized world changed
> > refrigerants
>
> LIAR! you can buy all you want throughout central america to include
> mexico.
I said 'civilized', moron...
> > you *had* to have noticed when
> > R22 was not as available as before
>
> wtf? i just bought 300 pounds of it for truck stock last week. didnt
have
> a bit of trouble getting it.
My bad... manufacturing phaseout is due
by January 2010. Sorry for the mistake.
> >> no. its basic refrigeration 101. :-) you dont need to recover
anything
> >> when you can pump it down into its own receiver......but i wouldnt
expect
> >> you to know ANYTHING about that. :-)
> >
> > Doesn't there have to be a valve in the system?
>
> there is already a full valve system in place to do just that.
>
>
> > Does every air conditioning system have this
> > valve? Does my home AC have one? I don't
> > think so.
>
> lol of course not you stupid ----. we arent talking a/c systems here.
> we're talking low temp applications.
So all systems don't have the valve? Does
an icemaker have the valve?
> >> so your suggestion is that you can hire someone working the drive
through
> >> window at mcdonalds to be a cryo tech? and if you COULD do that, it
just
> >> waters down your whole claim to being mr. cryo. :-)
> >
> > Your straw man has red herrings hanging
> > out of its ears
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i cannot answer your question"
Obviously you can hire anyone you want...
no certification is required to work on
cryogenic refrigeration systems that use
non-harmful gasses. Satisfied? I am...
> > Meanwhile, you might post a link showing
> > the necessity of a certification for working
> > on cryo. I got the job without one... chief
> > site tech.
>
> lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you cant
> even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right...
believe me, it's not easy to get an email address
like 'scowell@vlbacc.aoc.nrao.edu' without
working there.
This is the second time you've attempted to hide
behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
a jerk. Of course, if you tell me what the acronym
stands for, then the same thing will happen again,
and you *know* it. As before, I promise not
to google before my first answer... this time,
please make sure that your PMB is not a brand
name, or if so, please give the proper function
of same.
And, as with every other thing in your limited
universe, there's a book, written by real engineers,
that explains the installation, maintenance, and
adjustment of it.
> > Everything you
> > asked for is in there.
>
> lol NOTHING I asked for is in there. smoke and mirrors trying to hide
your
> ignorance.
Working pressures:
<>
The helium is
sprayed in at 200psi, then pumped out by
the fiber pistons at 65psi...
</>
Performance Measurement Baseline:
<>
I suppose
you could say that the PMB is achieving
15K... good enough.
</>
> > Your problem... you don't trust anyone...
>
> no, i dont trust LIARS like you stevie.
How can a person lie, when all of the
previous text is available for everyone
to read? Calling someone a 'liar' in
our current context is ridiculous... we
all can read. Really, it's all you've got
left... if only wishes were fishes!
> > Oh, *that's* your problem... you resent those
> > people. Well, suck it up, get over it... you'll
> > be happier in life after you do.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right.....you need me to think for you"
>
> sorry boy, you LOST the '00 and '04 presidential elections, not to mention
> senate/etc. as a country we're sick of you, and your power is slipping
> daily. :-)
Read the polls, and suck them up. The lamest of
lame duck presidencies is going down the tubes
spectacularly, and the history books will have a
field day with it. This one will stink for generations,
count on it. And you're one of the ones we can
thank for it!
> > since you'd
> > still be using R22 if not for the world scientific
> > community.
>
> what the ---- are you talking about? i used a good 60 pounds of r22 TODAY
> ALONE.
I confuse R22 and R12... my bad.
Just for that, I give you permission to
vent some pounds while thinking of me...
again.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic)."... Nate
..
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> >> cryo is NOT a part of commercial refrigeration. grasp boy! :-)
> >
> > It *is* a part of refrigeration
>
> cryo is its own specialized segment. cryo is not considered
refrigeration.
Another howler... I thought you had it topped before.
Congrats! Your ignorance knows no bounds!
> > who ever said
> > anything about 'commercial refrigeration'?
>
> i have from the beginning.
Not in the post where you made the boast!
(poetic, eh?)
> > And didn't you make some wild-*** claim
> > to be more qualified to work on it than me?
>
> i said id bet im more qualified to work on it than you are to even speak
of
> it. that does NOT mean im claiming to be a qualified cryo tech. if you
> know so much, give me the working pressures, give me the PMB.
I've already spec'ed 'em... go back and read,
I'm not your nursemaid!
> > You forget... I have a bachelor's degree from
> > a four-year state university
>
> lol AND?!?!?!? my mom has a masters degree in education but it doesnt
> qualify her to speak with authority on refrigeration. :-)
And just what gives you the right to speak with
authority on atmospheric science?
> > I certainly wouldn't call
> > it *nothing*
>
> it is as it relates to refrigeration, which is the topic of our
discussion.
Physics, Nate... it's what all the other
sciences are based on. And our current
threadwar concerns your ignorance of
the effects of CFC's on the ozone layer.
Your welching a challenge is just a side
trip from that.
> > and just because you don't want
> > cryo to be part of refrigeration doesn't mean that
> > it's not.
>
> show me ANY hvac/r course taught at any tech school that includes cryo.
>
> you cant.
How about this one?
http://www.pe.gatech.edu/conted/serv...?COURSE_ID=543
loser...
> >> > one you *forgot* about
> >> > when crowing about your so-called encyclopedic
> >> > knowlege of refrigeration.
> >
> >> #1 i never said ---- about _knowledge_.
> >
> > You said:
> >>the only area i dont consider myself qualified on yet is ground
> >>source/geo thermal.
> > Couldn't be plainer.
>
> youre so full of ----. i have _knowledge_ about how the human heart
works.
> that does not make me qualified to work on it. as i said above, i never
> said ---- about _knowledge_, my statement was about qualifications.
Spin! More spin! Pick nits, make up strawmen,
fish red herrings! Are you qualified to work on
cryogenic refrigeration?
> > > ....my statement was
> > > _qualified_.....you know.....recognizing my
> > > own limitations
> >
> > Stop, I'm gonna hurl again!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i have nothing to say"
Well, *I* do... see my dot.sig!
> > Your poor little neck is not going to keep
> > supporting your head if you keep spinning
> > like this... have a care!
>
> little neck? :-) lol boy id bet i got more neck than you got theigh.
That I'd readily believe... still, you're about
to spin it away! ('theigh'?)
> > How many times did I have to prod him
> > before he'd talk about cryo?
>
> because cryo isnt refrigeration.
Then why did you deign to discuss it?
I had to call you a ----- before you'd
bite... and bite you did! Enjoy the meal!
> >> you sure do seem fascinated with my genetalia.
> >
> > More sick transferrence
>
> coming from someone who continues to mention my male parts? :-)
I'm afraid you'll have to point the 'continues'
part out to us... nobody else here sees this.
> >> BUWHAHA! :-) talk all your ---- about how youre the cryo man yet you
> > cant
> >> even tell me what the PMB is, much less how to adjust it.
> >
> > And yet I wrote:
> > <>
> > I suppose
> > you could say that the PMB is achieving
> > 15K... good enough.
> > </>
>
> WRONG!
Buttsmoke!
> > Why would you adjust a Performance Measurement
> > Baseline?
>
> lol WRONG AGAIN! youre no cryo man, but i knew that long before you
choked
> on the basic PMB.
Your command of TLA's is almost as amazing
as your ignorance of your limitations... we can
all see you hiding behind them, like they were
the be-all and end-all of your schooling.
Once again, if you'll relate what you think
PMB means, I'll relate how I already know
something about it.
> > Make a site pointing out my lies... that
> > should keep you busy!
>
> lol YOU SAID IT! :-) would take me days to republish all your lies.
We're not going to hold our breath... forgive
us.
> > I've already given it... with no low ambient, there's
> > no need for a head pressure control. Just bypass it.
>
> WRONG you ignorant fool. you would spend 10X the amount of time
attempting
> to bypass it as you would to install the correct substitute. try again.
Time is no object... I spec'ed a usable
substitute. In no way was I supposed
to spec the *best* substitute... only
a usable one.
> > Like your knowlege of the ozone layer?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i have no response"
Indeed! Your complete lack of response to
this recurring question is noted!
> > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > is not required.
>
> lol you say that as if you knew it before i told you weeks ago. :-) glad
> to see something finally sank in, although youll LIE and claim you knew it
> on your own and then ill have to link to the post where i said it first.
I mentioned it to *you* a *month* ago... here's
the post again:
<>
I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
temps coming, you could just do without the
HPC (proper terminology).
</>
Dated July 5th... here's the link:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...04362e0709ebbd
I'm *sure* we'll all be *very* interested to see
your post predating this one. Your ----in' goose
is cooked on that one, dude... one fried -------,
comin' up. Go ahead, post your link!
> and it doesnt matter, so long as it is in the system there is required
> regulation so choke on that for a bit. :-)
The TEV or Klixon will handle that... or didn't
you realize this?
> > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > is not required. You may be up on the roof moving
> > some valve, but I never specified that, and even
> > showed how your conjecture makes no sense, given
> > that there is no reason to have two valves if you
> > want to modulate the refrigerant flow... you'd only
> > need one
>
> LIAR! you said "two valves and a pipe" BUWHAHA! :-)
How does this substitute for a three-port
device? I was subbing for a two-port one!
No bypass in my system! You go ahead and
climb the roof... and tell us how to make a
Y-pipe out of one piece of pipe. Hint: it's
very difficult without a tee.
>
> > there is no reason to have two valves if you
> > want to modulate the refrigerant flow... you'd only
> > need one.
>
> WRONG! just because youre regulation pressure into the condensor does NOT
> mean you can dump back into the reciever without regulation. try again.
Two-port device! Simple head pressure control
application... no bypass.
> > You'll have to con*cede* your ignorance of
> > the ozone layer first
>
> lol doesnt matter. ill just keep kicking your *** on your PITIFUL
grasping
> with your two valves and a pipe! :-)
Turns out that I was right on... and you were
'out in the cold, stuck on the roof'.
> > This is not about Dupont... it's about UV.
>
> uh-huh...and it all started the same year their patent on 22 ran out was
> just coincidence. lol.
I've already posted links talking about the
patent... catch up, that's old stuff you're
rehashing. Those patents expired in the '50s,
remember? I kicked your *** with it.
Here, lay down and I'll kick it some more:
http://www.imcool.com/articles/airco...nt_history.htm
Say Uncle Please, and I'll let you up off the floor.
> > Two classes in college physics... the degree
> > was posted by Bill. Your turn!
>
> i want to see ANYTHING from you that qualifies you to work on cryo or
> refrigeration.
I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
that qualify?
> > Then why two valves, Nate?
>
> hey, its your stupid recommendation!
You're the idiot cranking valves on
the roof!
> > It is
> > obvious that I meant the valves to
> > close off the system when the new
> > part was installed
>
> LIAR! the only thing obvious here is that you are speaking from ignorance
> and nothing more.
He's fading, folks... I predict he can't
last much longer. Really stretching on
this one...
> > It's as proven as Evolution... wanna talk about
> > that one?
>
> i fully believe you havent evolved beyond sniffing your finger after
digging
> your ***.
See? He's running out of tricks...
> > The whole civilized world changed
> > refrigerants
>
> LIAR! you can buy all you want throughout central america to include
> mexico.
I said 'civilized', moron...
> > you *had* to have noticed when
> > R22 was not as available as before
>
> wtf? i just bought 300 pounds of it for truck stock last week. didnt
have
> a bit of trouble getting it.
My bad... manufacturing phaseout is due
by January 2010. Sorry for the mistake.
> >> no. its basic refrigeration 101. :-) you dont need to recover
anything
> >> when you can pump it down into its own receiver......but i wouldnt
expect
> >> you to know ANYTHING about that. :-)
> >
> > Doesn't there have to be a valve in the system?
>
> there is already a full valve system in place to do just that.
>
>
> > Does every air conditioning system have this
> > valve? Does my home AC have one? I don't
> > think so.
>
> lol of course not you stupid ----. we arent talking a/c systems here.
> we're talking low temp applications.
So all systems don't have the valve? Does
an icemaker have the valve?
> >> so your suggestion is that you can hire someone working the drive
through
> >> window at mcdonalds to be a cryo tech? and if you COULD do that, it
just
> >> waters down your whole claim to being mr. cryo. :-)
> >
> > Your straw man has red herrings hanging
> > out of its ears
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i cannot answer your question"
Obviously you can hire anyone you want...
no certification is required to work on
cryogenic refrigeration systems that use
non-harmful gasses. Satisfied? I am...
> > Meanwhile, you might post a link showing
> > the necessity of a certification for working
> > on cryo. I got the job without one... chief
> > site tech.
>
> lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you cant
> even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right...
believe me, it's not easy to get an email address
like 'scowell@vlbacc.aoc.nrao.edu' without
working there.
This is the second time you've attempted to hide
behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
a jerk. Of course, if you tell me what the acronym
stands for, then the same thing will happen again,
and you *know* it. As before, I promise not
to google before my first answer... this time,
please make sure that your PMB is not a brand
name, or if so, please give the proper function
of same.
And, as with every other thing in your limited
universe, there's a book, written by real engineers,
that explains the installation, maintenance, and
adjustment of it.
> > Everything you
> > asked for is in there.
>
> lol NOTHING I asked for is in there. smoke and mirrors trying to hide
your
> ignorance.
Working pressures:
<>
The helium is
sprayed in at 200psi, then pumped out by
the fiber pistons at 65psi...
</>
Performance Measurement Baseline:
<>
I suppose
you could say that the PMB is achieving
15K... good enough.
</>
> > Your problem... you don't trust anyone...
>
> no, i dont trust LIARS like you stevie.
How can a person lie, when all of the
previous text is available for everyone
to read? Calling someone a 'liar' in
our current context is ridiculous... we
all can read. Really, it's all you've got
left... if only wishes were fishes!
> > Oh, *that's* your problem... you resent those
> > people. Well, suck it up, get over it... you'll
> > be happier in life after you do.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right.....you need me to think for you"
>
> sorry boy, you LOST the '00 and '04 presidential elections, not to mention
> senate/etc. as a country we're sick of you, and your power is slipping
> daily. :-)
Read the polls, and suck them up. The lamest of
lame duck presidencies is going down the tubes
spectacularly, and the history books will have a
field day with it. This one will stink for generations,
count on it. And you're one of the ones we can
thank for it!
> > since you'd
> > still be using R22 if not for the world scientific
> > community.
>
> what the ---- are you talking about? i used a good 60 pounds of r22 TODAY
> ALONE.
I confuse R22 and R12... my bad.
Just for that, I give you permission to
vent some pounds while thinking of me...
again.
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> >> that youre stump stupid and a pathalogical liar. :-)
> >
> > Geez, guy... try to make one post without
> > misspelling the big words...
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate"
Or do like that... no big words, better look
for you.
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> >> that youre stump stupid and a pathalogical liar. :-)
> >
> > Geez, guy... try to make one post without
> > misspelling the big words...
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate"
Or do like that... no big words, better look
for you.
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> >> that youre stump stupid and a pathalogical liar. :-)
> >
> > Geez, guy... try to make one post without
> > misspelling the big words...
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate"
Or do like that... no big words, better look
for you.
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> >> that youre stump stupid and a pathalogical liar. :-)
> >
> > Geez, guy... try to make one post without
> > misspelling the big words...
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate"
Or do like that... no big words, better look
for you.
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> > we notice these things around here.
Absence of arcsin explanation *again* noted...
jeez, Bill, at least Google it and paste something!
> > The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> > you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> > painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> > refrain from making claims about it in the
> > future.
> This is the equation you have me to compute the volume of a
> cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
> everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
> And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
No, Bill... the conditions were to *explain* the
derivation of the equation, not to post an equation
garnered from Google. You couldn't do this, and
every time you opened your mouth you proved
beyond a shadow of a doubt that if you ever had
any math courses, the knowlege had left you.
The equation you quote is for the half-full case,
my first hint to you. Go back and read, if you can.
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> > we notice these things around here.
Absence of arcsin explanation *again* noted...
jeez, Bill, at least Google it and paste something!
> > The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> > you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> > painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> > refrain from making claims about it in the
> > future.
> This is the equation you have me to compute the volume of a
> cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
> everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
> And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
No, Bill... the conditions were to *explain* the
derivation of the equation, not to post an equation
garnered from Google. You couldn't do this, and
every time you opened your mouth you proved
beyond a shadow of a doubt that if you ever had
any math courses, the knowlege had left you.
The equation you quote is for the half-full case,
my first hint to you. Go back and read, if you can.
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> > we notice these things around here.
Absence of arcsin explanation *again* noted...
jeez, Bill, at least Google it and paste something!
> > The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> > you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> > painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> > refrain from making claims about it in the
> > future.
> This is the equation you have me to compute the volume of a
> cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
> everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
> And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
No, Bill... the conditions were to *explain* the
derivation of the equation, not to post an equation
garnered from Google. You couldn't do this, and
every time you opened your mouth you proved
beyond a shadow of a doubt that if you ever had
any math courses, the knowlege had left you.
The equation you quote is for the half-full case,
my first hint to you. Go back and read, if you can.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate
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