134a Refrigerant
#4341
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
inverse sine
ArcSin[z] = (-I) Log[I z + Sqrt[1 - z^2]]
Now go back to sucking off the government, you free loading loser.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> That doesn't mean that you can't give us a
> simple explanation of what an arcsin does,
> does it? Unless, of course, you don't have
> a clue... such a simple function! Put in a
> sin, get out an angle...
>
> Keep it up! Hearts and minds tumble when
> you speak your trash. Ossification of the
> cranium... leads to neo-conism. You're a
> con-head!
> __
> Steve
ArcSin[z] = (-I) Log[I z + Sqrt[1 - z^2]]
Now go back to sucking off the government, you free loading loser.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> That doesn't mean that you can't give us a
> simple explanation of what an arcsin does,
> does it? Unless, of course, you don't have
> a clue... such a simple function! Put in a
> sin, get out an angle...
>
> Keep it up! Hearts and minds tumble when
> you speak your trash. Ossification of the
> cranium... leads to neo-conism. You're a
> con-head!
> __
> Steve
#4342
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11flju3b823h28e@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:kyzKe.510$8c.446@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com.. .
> >> cryo is its own specialized segment. cryo is not considered
> > refrigeration.
> >
> > Another howler
>
> and it doesnt change ----, liar. cryo is not refrigeration.
http://www.ineosfluor.com/Refrigerat.../Cryogenic.asp
> >> i have from the beginning.
> >
> > Not in the post where you made the boast!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i leave ---- out when i need to
Exactly! There's no 'commercial refrigeration' noted...
just 'I consider myself qualified etc...'. Read the link
above... "freeze dried coffee is made using cryogenic
refrigeration "... sounds commercial to me!
> > I've already spec'ed 'em... go back and read,
>
> LIAR! you havent even told me what they are yet. just give me the
settings
> on the FCC stevie. ill give you a hint, the CC stands for "cycle control"
>
> lol. you cant because you know NOTHING of cryo. :-)
More TLA's... they're not going to save you,
Nate. Your *** was gone a long time ago...
> > And just what gives you the right to speak with
> > authority on atmospheric science?
>
> thats just it stool, ive never attempted to speak with authority. ive
> stated from the BEGINNING that its all belief and speculation. only LIARS
> like you try to claim it as fact.
See? Bald-faced assertions, like you know
what you're talking about... when you haven't
the slightest clue. You're not qualified to
make your statement... and you don't even
realize this.
> >> it is as it relates to refrigeration, which is the topic of our
> > discussion.
> >
> > Physics, Nate
>
> TRANSLATION --> "ill throw out smoke and mirrors because i have no
response"
They'll do you no good, as they always haven't.
Physics allows you to understand the basis of
all other sciences... along with its ally, Math,
it is the father of all other sciences. Your
wilful ignorance may allow you to make a
comfortable living, but it in no way qualifies
you to make assertions about atmospheric
science.
> > How about this one?
> >
http://www.pe.gatech.edu/conted/serv...?COURSE_ID=543
> >
> > loser...
>
> you STUPID and ignorant fool, that is a CRYO CLASS! i asked you for an
> HVAC/R course that included cryo. ive already stated long ago that cryo
was
> its own specialized segment therefore its a given that it would have its
own
> classes. your claim is that its "refrigeration" which is why i want to
see
> it as part of an hvac/r standard curriculum. YOU LOSE, liar.
See the above link... it is most certainly Refrigeration,
with a capital 'R'.
> >> that does not make me qualified to work on it. as i said above, i
never
> >> said ---- about _knowledge_, my statement was about qualifications.
> >
> > Spin! More spin!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i cannot respond to your statement that kicked my ***
of course you can't... : )
> > Are you qualified to work on
> > cryogenic refrigeration?
>
> no, and i never claimed to be. im a refrigeration tech, not cryo.
Well, you must have lost the bet when you said:
<>
oh, but id bet im more qualified to work on
cryo than you are to talk about it.
</>
and then you accused me of 'cutting and pasting'
when I wrote a nice paragraph about maintaining
a radio-telescope cryo refrigerator. Dropped that one
like a hot potato! So I ended up talking about it
in a way that obviously shows that I know what I'm
talking about... and makes the -------- coming
out of your mouth look even more foolish.
You'd better start 'owning some limitations'
pretty quick... if you want to leave here owning
more than the shirt on your back!
> >> because cryo isnt refrigeration.
> >
> > Then why did you deign to discuss it?
>
> because it was irrelevant to our discussion. just another red herring in
a
> pitiful attempt at spinning the topic away from your own ignorance.
You discussed it because it was irrelevant?
No, you discussed it because I called you
a -----! Like a trout, taking the fly...
hook, line, and swivel!
> "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
Perfectly good replacement, when no low
ambient is coming. Order the part, replace
the part, pull a vacuum, open the valves...
fixed.
> > I'm afraid you'll have to point the 'continues'
> > part out to us... nobody else here sees this.
>
> lol LIAR. you just cant stop referencing my man parts. lol.
See? Nothing...
> > Your command of TLA's is almost as amazing
> > as your ignorance of your limitations... we can
> > all see you hiding behind them, like they were
> > the be-all and end-all of your schooling.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i dont even know the basic terminology nate" LOL
You're hiding behind another TLA. It's
a pattern for you. You think it shows
knowlege... well, that's all it shows,
knowlege of an acronym.
> > Once again, if you'll relate what you think
> > PMB means, I'll relate how I already know
> > something about it.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "please give me something i can google so i can pretend to
> know something" :-)
You really don't trust me! I promised I
wouldn't google, just like the last time!
> > Time is no object... I spec'ed a usable
> > substitute. In no way was I supposed
> > to spec the *best* substitute... only
> > a usable one.
>
> LIAR! you gave me nothing but WRONG answers! you havent in any way given
> me any reasonable solution. when you own it, ill give you the proper
> answer.
As I said before, when you allow as to how
you don't know atmospheric science, I'll
admit to not knowing HVAC. I've already
proven that I understand quite a bit about
it... but I'll admit what you want, if you'll
admit that you don't have a clue about
the science of the earth's atmosphere.
I'm not holding my breath, btw...
> > > > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > > > is not required.
> > >
> > > lol you say that as if you knew it before i told you weeks ago. :-)
glad
> > > to see something finally sank in, although youll LIE and claim you
knew it
> > > on your own and then ill have to link to the post where i said it
first.
> >
> > I mentioned it to *you* a *month* ago... here's
> > the post again:
> >
> > <>
> > I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
> > temps coming, you could just do without the
> > HPC (proper terminology).
> > </>
> >
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...04362e0709ebbd
>
> and youre just as wrong back then! :-) you canNOT just bypass it.
Well, are you lying now, or were you lying
nineteen lines above? I just kicked your ***
up and down the gym floor with that one!
> >> and it doesnt matter, so long as it is in the system there is required
> >> regulation so choke on that for a bit. :-)
> >
> > The TEV or Klixon will handle that... or didn't
> > you realize this?
>
> you utter FOOL! the expansion valve has NOTHING to do with regulating
> pressure into the condensor.
You complete IDIOT! The expansion valve
controls the condensor pressure by *releasing*
pressure at the *outlet*. TEV open, pressure
drops! TEV closed, pressure rises! The compressor
high Klixon will shut the compressor down if
it's high threshold is reached.
> >> LIAR! you said "two valves and a pipe" BUWHAHA! :-)
> >
> > How does this substitute for a three-port
> > device? I was subbing for a two-port one!
>
> NO. you were ------- up across the board. :-)
More smoke from your behind...
> > Two-port device! Simple head pressure control
> > application... no bypass.
>
> youre WRONG -------. you have to regulate both ways.....or come up with
> another PAINFULLY simple way of making the pressure regulate itself.....
Really, there's no need for the regulation...
you said so yourself, above. Refrigerant
only needs to be retained in the evaporator
during low ambient... this lowers the efficiency
of the evaporator during low outside temps.
> BUWAHAHA! just own it boy, and ill give it to you. :-)
buwahaha, I told you the conditions...
you first.
> > Turns out that I was right on... and you were
> > 'out in the cold, stuck on the roof'.
>
> lol you fool, i was down in less than 10 minutes where your solution would
> have meant spoiled product because it wouldnt work.
*** smoke...
> > > > This is not about Dupont... it's about UV.
> > >
> > > uh-huh...and it all started the same year their patent on 22 ran out
was
> > > just coincidence. lol.
> >
> >I've already posted links talking about the
> >patent... catch up, that's old stuff you're
> >rehashing. Those patents expired in the '50s,
> >remember? I kicked your *** with it.
> >Here, lay down and I'll kick it some more:
> >
> >http://www.imcool.com/articles/airco...nt_history.htm
> >
> >Say Uncle Please, and I'll let you up off the floor.
> >
> HA! tell me boy, when does 134a become restricted? and when is its
patent
> dated to expire?
You didn't say Uncle.
> >> i want to see ANYTHING from you that qualifies you to work on cryo or
> >> refrigeration.
> >
> > I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
> > that qualify?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i can produce no proof because im LYING nate"
I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
that qualify?
> > You're the idiot cranking valves on
> > the roof!
>
> LIAR! that was YOUR recommendation! it was your failed solution that you
> now sit and try to lie your way out of. :-)
Nope... you suggested the valves be used
for that purpose. I've already made my
use of them plain as day... not for regulation.
> >> LIAR! you can buy all you want throughout central america to include
> >> mexico.
> >
> > I said 'civilized', moron...
>
> ah, so mexico isnt a civilized nation? you fool. mexico doesnt play your
> liberal games.
Yes, a fine example of what Bush wants our
country to be!
> > My bad... manufacturing phaseout is due
> > by January 2010. Sorry for the mistake.
>
> just one of an endless list of your ---- ups.
Transferrence, Nate... you're wishing again.
How about that patent howler above? Pretty
damn funny if you ask me... I got to kick
your *** twice with the same info!
> > So all systems don't have the valve? Does
> > an icemaker have the valve?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "more smoke and mirrors"
>
> ice machines are irrelevant as they have no need for either.
All systems don't have the valve. Thanks
for admitting that.
> > no certification is required to work on
> > cryogenic refrigeration systems that use
> > non-harmful gasses. Satisfied? I am...
>
> so if you know something about it, give me the settings on the FCC (CC =
> cycle control, now google it and try to figure it out).
We stopped playing that game. You haven't
even given me what you think PMB means...
more TLA's arent' going to save your ***
around here.
> >> lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you
cant
> >> even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
> >
> > Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate, i cannot answer the question"
As I said, you can't hide behind TLA's forever.
> > > lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you
cant
> > > even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
> >
> > Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right...
> > believe me, it's not easy to get an email address
> > like 'scowell@vlbacc.aoc.nrao.edu' without
> > working there.
No response? *** kicked again... more points for me.
> >
> > This is the second time you've attempted to hide
> > behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
> > a jerk.
>
> lol this just means im kicking your *** with your own ignorance. if you
> knew anything about what you speak you would already know what they mean.
This is the third time you've attempted to hide
behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
a jerk.
> > Working pressures:
> > <>
> > The helium is
> > sprayed in at 200psi, then pumped out by
> > the fiber pistons at 65psi...
>
> BZZT! NOT what im looking for!
Well, it's what I'm giving.
> > How can a person lie, when all of the
> > previous text is available for everyone
> > to read? Calling someone a 'liar' in
> > our current context is ridiculous... we
> > all can read. Really, it's all you've got
> > left... if only wishes were fishes!
>
> you sure do manage.
I manage quite well, thank you. You still
haven't said Uncle! Get back on the floor.
> > Read the polls, and suck them up. The lamest of
> > lame duck presidencies is going down the tubes
> > spectacularly, and the history books will have a
> > field day with it. This one will stink for generations,
> > count on it. And you're one of the ones we can
> > thank for it!
>
> lol.....polls my ***. you lost boy!
The history books will get it right,
eventually... then it will become plain
that we *all* lost, big time. The worst
administration in the history of the USA,
I predict.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic)."... Nate
..
#4343
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11flju3b823h28e@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:kyzKe.510$8c.446@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com.. .
> >> cryo is its own specialized segment. cryo is not considered
> > refrigeration.
> >
> > Another howler
>
> and it doesnt change ----, liar. cryo is not refrigeration.
http://www.ineosfluor.com/Refrigerat.../Cryogenic.asp
> >> i have from the beginning.
> >
> > Not in the post where you made the boast!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i leave ---- out when i need to
Exactly! There's no 'commercial refrigeration' noted...
just 'I consider myself qualified etc...'. Read the link
above... "freeze dried coffee is made using cryogenic
refrigeration "... sounds commercial to me!
> > I've already spec'ed 'em... go back and read,
>
> LIAR! you havent even told me what they are yet. just give me the
settings
> on the FCC stevie. ill give you a hint, the CC stands for "cycle control"
>
> lol. you cant because you know NOTHING of cryo. :-)
More TLA's... they're not going to save you,
Nate. Your *** was gone a long time ago...
> > And just what gives you the right to speak with
> > authority on atmospheric science?
>
> thats just it stool, ive never attempted to speak with authority. ive
> stated from the BEGINNING that its all belief and speculation. only LIARS
> like you try to claim it as fact.
See? Bald-faced assertions, like you know
what you're talking about... when you haven't
the slightest clue. You're not qualified to
make your statement... and you don't even
realize this.
> >> it is as it relates to refrigeration, which is the topic of our
> > discussion.
> >
> > Physics, Nate
>
> TRANSLATION --> "ill throw out smoke and mirrors because i have no
response"
They'll do you no good, as they always haven't.
Physics allows you to understand the basis of
all other sciences... along with its ally, Math,
it is the father of all other sciences. Your
wilful ignorance may allow you to make a
comfortable living, but it in no way qualifies
you to make assertions about atmospheric
science.
> > How about this one?
> >
http://www.pe.gatech.edu/conted/serv...?COURSE_ID=543
> >
> > loser...
>
> you STUPID and ignorant fool, that is a CRYO CLASS! i asked you for an
> HVAC/R course that included cryo. ive already stated long ago that cryo
was
> its own specialized segment therefore its a given that it would have its
own
> classes. your claim is that its "refrigeration" which is why i want to
see
> it as part of an hvac/r standard curriculum. YOU LOSE, liar.
See the above link... it is most certainly Refrigeration,
with a capital 'R'.
> >> that does not make me qualified to work on it. as i said above, i
never
> >> said ---- about _knowledge_, my statement was about qualifications.
> >
> > Spin! More spin!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i cannot respond to your statement that kicked my ***
of course you can't... : )
> > Are you qualified to work on
> > cryogenic refrigeration?
>
> no, and i never claimed to be. im a refrigeration tech, not cryo.
Well, you must have lost the bet when you said:
<>
oh, but id bet im more qualified to work on
cryo than you are to talk about it.
</>
and then you accused me of 'cutting and pasting'
when I wrote a nice paragraph about maintaining
a radio-telescope cryo refrigerator. Dropped that one
like a hot potato! So I ended up talking about it
in a way that obviously shows that I know what I'm
talking about... and makes the -------- coming
out of your mouth look even more foolish.
You'd better start 'owning some limitations'
pretty quick... if you want to leave here owning
more than the shirt on your back!
> >> because cryo isnt refrigeration.
> >
> > Then why did you deign to discuss it?
>
> because it was irrelevant to our discussion. just another red herring in
a
> pitiful attempt at spinning the topic away from your own ignorance.
You discussed it because it was irrelevant?
No, you discussed it because I called you
a -----! Like a trout, taking the fly...
hook, line, and swivel!
> "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
Perfectly good replacement, when no low
ambient is coming. Order the part, replace
the part, pull a vacuum, open the valves...
fixed.
> > I'm afraid you'll have to point the 'continues'
> > part out to us... nobody else here sees this.
>
> lol LIAR. you just cant stop referencing my man parts. lol.
See? Nothing...
> > Your command of TLA's is almost as amazing
> > as your ignorance of your limitations... we can
> > all see you hiding behind them, like they were
> > the be-all and end-all of your schooling.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i dont even know the basic terminology nate" LOL
You're hiding behind another TLA. It's
a pattern for you. You think it shows
knowlege... well, that's all it shows,
knowlege of an acronym.
> > Once again, if you'll relate what you think
> > PMB means, I'll relate how I already know
> > something about it.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "please give me something i can google so i can pretend to
> know something" :-)
You really don't trust me! I promised I
wouldn't google, just like the last time!
> > Time is no object... I spec'ed a usable
> > substitute. In no way was I supposed
> > to spec the *best* substitute... only
> > a usable one.
>
> LIAR! you gave me nothing but WRONG answers! you havent in any way given
> me any reasonable solution. when you own it, ill give you the proper
> answer.
As I said before, when you allow as to how
you don't know atmospheric science, I'll
admit to not knowing HVAC. I've already
proven that I understand quite a bit about
it... but I'll admit what you want, if you'll
admit that you don't have a clue about
the science of the earth's atmosphere.
I'm not holding my breath, btw...
> > > > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > > > is not required.
> > >
> > > lol you say that as if you knew it before i told you weeks ago. :-)
glad
> > > to see something finally sank in, although youll LIE and claim you
knew it
> > > on your own and then ill have to link to the post where i said it
first.
> >
> > I mentioned it to *you* a *month* ago... here's
> > the post again:
> >
> > <>
> > I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
> > temps coming, you could just do without the
> > HPC (proper terminology).
> > </>
> >
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...04362e0709ebbd
>
> and youre just as wrong back then! :-) you canNOT just bypass it.
Well, are you lying now, or were you lying
nineteen lines above? I just kicked your ***
up and down the gym floor with that one!
> >> and it doesnt matter, so long as it is in the system there is required
> >> regulation so choke on that for a bit. :-)
> >
> > The TEV or Klixon will handle that... or didn't
> > you realize this?
>
> you utter FOOL! the expansion valve has NOTHING to do with regulating
> pressure into the condensor.
You complete IDIOT! The expansion valve
controls the condensor pressure by *releasing*
pressure at the *outlet*. TEV open, pressure
drops! TEV closed, pressure rises! The compressor
high Klixon will shut the compressor down if
it's high threshold is reached.
> >> LIAR! you said "two valves and a pipe" BUWHAHA! :-)
> >
> > How does this substitute for a three-port
> > device? I was subbing for a two-port one!
>
> NO. you were ------- up across the board. :-)
More smoke from your behind...
> > Two-port device! Simple head pressure control
> > application... no bypass.
>
> youre WRONG -------. you have to regulate both ways.....or come up with
> another PAINFULLY simple way of making the pressure regulate itself.....
Really, there's no need for the regulation...
you said so yourself, above. Refrigerant
only needs to be retained in the evaporator
during low ambient... this lowers the efficiency
of the evaporator during low outside temps.
> BUWAHAHA! just own it boy, and ill give it to you. :-)
buwahaha, I told you the conditions...
you first.
> > Turns out that I was right on... and you were
> > 'out in the cold, stuck on the roof'.
>
> lol you fool, i was down in less than 10 minutes where your solution would
> have meant spoiled product because it wouldnt work.
*** smoke...
> > > > This is not about Dupont... it's about UV.
> > >
> > > uh-huh...and it all started the same year their patent on 22 ran out
was
> > > just coincidence. lol.
> >
> >I've already posted links talking about the
> >patent... catch up, that's old stuff you're
> >rehashing. Those patents expired in the '50s,
> >remember? I kicked your *** with it.
> >Here, lay down and I'll kick it some more:
> >
> >http://www.imcool.com/articles/airco...nt_history.htm
> >
> >Say Uncle Please, and I'll let you up off the floor.
> >
> HA! tell me boy, when does 134a become restricted? and when is its
patent
> dated to expire?
You didn't say Uncle.
> >> i want to see ANYTHING from you that qualifies you to work on cryo or
> >> refrigeration.
> >
> > I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
> > that qualify?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i can produce no proof because im LYING nate"
I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
that qualify?
> > You're the idiot cranking valves on
> > the roof!
>
> LIAR! that was YOUR recommendation! it was your failed solution that you
> now sit and try to lie your way out of. :-)
Nope... you suggested the valves be used
for that purpose. I've already made my
use of them plain as day... not for regulation.
> >> LIAR! you can buy all you want throughout central america to include
> >> mexico.
> >
> > I said 'civilized', moron...
>
> ah, so mexico isnt a civilized nation? you fool. mexico doesnt play your
> liberal games.
Yes, a fine example of what Bush wants our
country to be!
> > My bad... manufacturing phaseout is due
> > by January 2010. Sorry for the mistake.
>
> just one of an endless list of your ---- ups.
Transferrence, Nate... you're wishing again.
How about that patent howler above? Pretty
damn funny if you ask me... I got to kick
your *** twice with the same info!
> > So all systems don't have the valve? Does
> > an icemaker have the valve?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "more smoke and mirrors"
>
> ice machines are irrelevant as they have no need for either.
All systems don't have the valve. Thanks
for admitting that.
> > no certification is required to work on
> > cryogenic refrigeration systems that use
> > non-harmful gasses. Satisfied? I am...
>
> so if you know something about it, give me the settings on the FCC (CC =
> cycle control, now google it and try to figure it out).
We stopped playing that game. You haven't
even given me what you think PMB means...
more TLA's arent' going to save your ***
around here.
> >> lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you
cant
> >> even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
> >
> > Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate, i cannot answer the question"
As I said, you can't hide behind TLA's forever.
> > > lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you
cant
> > > even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
> >
> > Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right...
> > believe me, it's not easy to get an email address
> > like 'scowell@vlbacc.aoc.nrao.edu' without
> > working there.
No response? *** kicked again... more points for me.
> >
> > This is the second time you've attempted to hide
> > behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
> > a jerk.
>
> lol this just means im kicking your *** with your own ignorance. if you
> knew anything about what you speak you would already know what they mean.
This is the third time you've attempted to hide
behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
a jerk.
> > Working pressures:
> > <>
> > The helium is
> > sprayed in at 200psi, then pumped out by
> > the fiber pistons at 65psi...
>
> BZZT! NOT what im looking for!
Well, it's what I'm giving.
> > How can a person lie, when all of the
> > previous text is available for everyone
> > to read? Calling someone a 'liar' in
> > our current context is ridiculous... we
> > all can read. Really, it's all you've got
> > left... if only wishes were fishes!
>
> you sure do manage.
I manage quite well, thank you. You still
haven't said Uncle! Get back on the floor.
> > Read the polls, and suck them up. The lamest of
> > lame duck presidencies is going down the tubes
> > spectacularly, and the history books will have a
> > field day with it. This one will stink for generations,
> > count on it. And you're one of the ones we can
> > thank for it!
>
> lol.....polls my ***. you lost boy!
The history books will get it right,
eventually... then it will become plain
that we *all* lost, big time. The worst
administration in the history of the USA,
I predict.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic)."... Nate
..
#4344
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11flju3b823h28e@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:kyzKe.510$8c.446@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com.. .
> >> cryo is its own specialized segment. cryo is not considered
> > refrigeration.
> >
> > Another howler
>
> and it doesnt change ----, liar. cryo is not refrigeration.
http://www.ineosfluor.com/Refrigerat.../Cryogenic.asp
> >> i have from the beginning.
> >
> > Not in the post where you made the boast!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i leave ---- out when i need to
Exactly! There's no 'commercial refrigeration' noted...
just 'I consider myself qualified etc...'. Read the link
above... "freeze dried coffee is made using cryogenic
refrigeration "... sounds commercial to me!
> > I've already spec'ed 'em... go back and read,
>
> LIAR! you havent even told me what they are yet. just give me the
settings
> on the FCC stevie. ill give you a hint, the CC stands for "cycle control"
>
> lol. you cant because you know NOTHING of cryo. :-)
More TLA's... they're not going to save you,
Nate. Your *** was gone a long time ago...
> > And just what gives you the right to speak with
> > authority on atmospheric science?
>
> thats just it stool, ive never attempted to speak with authority. ive
> stated from the BEGINNING that its all belief and speculation. only LIARS
> like you try to claim it as fact.
See? Bald-faced assertions, like you know
what you're talking about... when you haven't
the slightest clue. You're not qualified to
make your statement... and you don't even
realize this.
> >> it is as it relates to refrigeration, which is the topic of our
> > discussion.
> >
> > Physics, Nate
>
> TRANSLATION --> "ill throw out smoke and mirrors because i have no
response"
They'll do you no good, as they always haven't.
Physics allows you to understand the basis of
all other sciences... along with its ally, Math,
it is the father of all other sciences. Your
wilful ignorance may allow you to make a
comfortable living, but it in no way qualifies
you to make assertions about atmospheric
science.
> > How about this one?
> >
http://www.pe.gatech.edu/conted/serv...?COURSE_ID=543
> >
> > loser...
>
> you STUPID and ignorant fool, that is a CRYO CLASS! i asked you for an
> HVAC/R course that included cryo. ive already stated long ago that cryo
was
> its own specialized segment therefore its a given that it would have its
own
> classes. your claim is that its "refrigeration" which is why i want to
see
> it as part of an hvac/r standard curriculum. YOU LOSE, liar.
See the above link... it is most certainly Refrigeration,
with a capital 'R'.
> >> that does not make me qualified to work on it. as i said above, i
never
> >> said ---- about _knowledge_, my statement was about qualifications.
> >
> > Spin! More spin!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i cannot respond to your statement that kicked my ***
of course you can't... : )
> > Are you qualified to work on
> > cryogenic refrigeration?
>
> no, and i never claimed to be. im a refrigeration tech, not cryo.
Well, you must have lost the bet when you said:
<>
oh, but id bet im more qualified to work on
cryo than you are to talk about it.
</>
and then you accused me of 'cutting and pasting'
when I wrote a nice paragraph about maintaining
a radio-telescope cryo refrigerator. Dropped that one
like a hot potato! So I ended up talking about it
in a way that obviously shows that I know what I'm
talking about... and makes the -------- coming
out of your mouth look even more foolish.
You'd better start 'owning some limitations'
pretty quick... if you want to leave here owning
more than the shirt on your back!
> >> because cryo isnt refrigeration.
> >
> > Then why did you deign to discuss it?
>
> because it was irrelevant to our discussion. just another red herring in
a
> pitiful attempt at spinning the topic away from your own ignorance.
You discussed it because it was irrelevant?
No, you discussed it because I called you
a -----! Like a trout, taking the fly...
hook, line, and swivel!
> "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
Perfectly good replacement, when no low
ambient is coming. Order the part, replace
the part, pull a vacuum, open the valves...
fixed.
> > I'm afraid you'll have to point the 'continues'
> > part out to us... nobody else here sees this.
>
> lol LIAR. you just cant stop referencing my man parts. lol.
See? Nothing...
> > Your command of TLA's is almost as amazing
> > as your ignorance of your limitations... we can
> > all see you hiding behind them, like they were
> > the be-all and end-all of your schooling.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i dont even know the basic terminology nate" LOL
You're hiding behind another TLA. It's
a pattern for you. You think it shows
knowlege... well, that's all it shows,
knowlege of an acronym.
> > Once again, if you'll relate what you think
> > PMB means, I'll relate how I already know
> > something about it.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "please give me something i can google so i can pretend to
> know something" :-)
You really don't trust me! I promised I
wouldn't google, just like the last time!
> > Time is no object... I spec'ed a usable
> > substitute. In no way was I supposed
> > to spec the *best* substitute... only
> > a usable one.
>
> LIAR! you gave me nothing but WRONG answers! you havent in any way given
> me any reasonable solution. when you own it, ill give you the proper
> answer.
As I said before, when you allow as to how
you don't know atmospheric science, I'll
admit to not knowing HVAC. I've already
proven that I understand quite a bit about
it... but I'll admit what you want, if you'll
admit that you don't have a clue about
the science of the earth's atmosphere.
I'm not holding my breath, btw...
> > > > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > > > is not required.
> > >
> > > lol you say that as if you knew it before i told you weeks ago. :-)
glad
> > > to see something finally sank in, although youll LIE and claim you
knew it
> > > on your own and then ill have to link to the post where i said it
first.
> >
> > I mentioned it to *you* a *month* ago... here's
> > the post again:
> >
> > <>
> > I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
> > temps coming, you could just do without the
> > HPC (proper terminology).
> > </>
> >
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...04362e0709ebbd
>
> and youre just as wrong back then! :-) you canNOT just bypass it.
Well, are you lying now, or were you lying
nineteen lines above? I just kicked your ***
up and down the gym floor with that one!
> >> and it doesnt matter, so long as it is in the system there is required
> >> regulation so choke on that for a bit. :-)
> >
> > The TEV or Klixon will handle that... or didn't
> > you realize this?
>
> you utter FOOL! the expansion valve has NOTHING to do with regulating
> pressure into the condensor.
You complete IDIOT! The expansion valve
controls the condensor pressure by *releasing*
pressure at the *outlet*. TEV open, pressure
drops! TEV closed, pressure rises! The compressor
high Klixon will shut the compressor down if
it's high threshold is reached.
> >> LIAR! you said "two valves and a pipe" BUWHAHA! :-)
> >
> > How does this substitute for a three-port
> > device? I was subbing for a two-port one!
>
> NO. you were ------- up across the board. :-)
More smoke from your behind...
> > Two-port device! Simple head pressure control
> > application... no bypass.
>
> youre WRONG -------. you have to regulate both ways.....or come up with
> another PAINFULLY simple way of making the pressure regulate itself.....
Really, there's no need for the regulation...
you said so yourself, above. Refrigerant
only needs to be retained in the evaporator
during low ambient... this lowers the efficiency
of the evaporator during low outside temps.
> BUWAHAHA! just own it boy, and ill give it to you. :-)
buwahaha, I told you the conditions...
you first.
> > Turns out that I was right on... and you were
> > 'out in the cold, stuck on the roof'.
>
> lol you fool, i was down in less than 10 minutes where your solution would
> have meant spoiled product because it wouldnt work.
*** smoke...
> > > > This is not about Dupont... it's about UV.
> > >
> > > uh-huh...and it all started the same year their patent on 22 ran out
was
> > > just coincidence. lol.
> >
> >I've already posted links talking about the
> >patent... catch up, that's old stuff you're
> >rehashing. Those patents expired in the '50s,
> >remember? I kicked your *** with it.
> >Here, lay down and I'll kick it some more:
> >
> >http://www.imcool.com/articles/airco...nt_history.htm
> >
> >Say Uncle Please, and I'll let you up off the floor.
> >
> HA! tell me boy, when does 134a become restricted? and when is its
patent
> dated to expire?
You didn't say Uncle.
> >> i want to see ANYTHING from you that qualifies you to work on cryo or
> >> refrigeration.
> >
> > I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
> > that qualify?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i can produce no proof because im LYING nate"
I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
that qualify?
> > You're the idiot cranking valves on
> > the roof!
>
> LIAR! that was YOUR recommendation! it was your failed solution that you
> now sit and try to lie your way out of. :-)
Nope... you suggested the valves be used
for that purpose. I've already made my
use of them plain as day... not for regulation.
> >> LIAR! you can buy all you want throughout central america to include
> >> mexico.
> >
> > I said 'civilized', moron...
>
> ah, so mexico isnt a civilized nation? you fool. mexico doesnt play your
> liberal games.
Yes, a fine example of what Bush wants our
country to be!
> > My bad... manufacturing phaseout is due
> > by January 2010. Sorry for the mistake.
>
> just one of an endless list of your ---- ups.
Transferrence, Nate... you're wishing again.
How about that patent howler above? Pretty
damn funny if you ask me... I got to kick
your *** twice with the same info!
> > So all systems don't have the valve? Does
> > an icemaker have the valve?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "more smoke and mirrors"
>
> ice machines are irrelevant as they have no need for either.
All systems don't have the valve. Thanks
for admitting that.
> > no certification is required to work on
> > cryogenic refrigeration systems that use
> > non-harmful gasses. Satisfied? I am...
>
> so if you know something about it, give me the settings on the FCC (CC =
> cycle control, now google it and try to figure it out).
We stopped playing that game. You haven't
even given me what you think PMB means...
more TLA's arent' going to save your ***
around here.
> >> lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you
cant
> >> even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
> >
> > Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate, i cannot answer the question"
As I said, you can't hide behind TLA's forever.
> > > lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you
cant
> > > even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
> >
> > Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right...
> > believe me, it's not easy to get an email address
> > like 'scowell@vlbacc.aoc.nrao.edu' without
> > working there.
No response? *** kicked again... more points for me.
> >
> > This is the second time you've attempted to hide
> > behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
> > a jerk.
>
> lol this just means im kicking your *** with your own ignorance. if you
> knew anything about what you speak you would already know what they mean.
This is the third time you've attempted to hide
behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
a jerk.
> > Working pressures:
> > <>
> > The helium is
> > sprayed in at 200psi, then pumped out by
> > the fiber pistons at 65psi...
>
> BZZT! NOT what im looking for!
Well, it's what I'm giving.
> > How can a person lie, when all of the
> > previous text is available for everyone
> > to read? Calling someone a 'liar' in
> > our current context is ridiculous... we
> > all can read. Really, it's all you've got
> > left... if only wishes were fishes!
>
> you sure do manage.
I manage quite well, thank you. You still
haven't said Uncle! Get back on the floor.
> > Read the polls, and suck them up. The lamest of
> > lame duck presidencies is going down the tubes
> > spectacularly, and the history books will have a
> > field day with it. This one will stink for generations,
> > count on it. And you're one of the ones we can
> > thank for it!
>
> lol.....polls my ***. you lost boy!
The history books will get it right,
eventually... then it will become plain
that we *all* lost, big time. The worst
administration in the history of the USA,
I predict.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic)."... Nate
..
#4345
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11flju3b823h28e@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:kyzKe.510$8c.446@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com.. .
> >> cryo is its own specialized segment. cryo is not considered
> > refrigeration.
> >
> > Another howler
>
> and it doesnt change ----, liar. cryo is not refrigeration.
http://www.ineosfluor.com/Refrigerat.../Cryogenic.asp
> >> i have from the beginning.
> >
> > Not in the post where you made the boast!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i leave ---- out when i need to
Exactly! There's no 'commercial refrigeration' noted...
just 'I consider myself qualified etc...'. Read the link
above... "freeze dried coffee is made using cryogenic
refrigeration "... sounds commercial to me!
> > I've already spec'ed 'em... go back and read,
>
> LIAR! you havent even told me what they are yet. just give me the
settings
> on the FCC stevie. ill give you a hint, the CC stands for "cycle control"
>
> lol. you cant because you know NOTHING of cryo. :-)
More TLA's... they're not going to save you,
Nate. Your *** was gone a long time ago...
> > And just what gives you the right to speak with
> > authority on atmospheric science?
>
> thats just it stool, ive never attempted to speak with authority. ive
> stated from the BEGINNING that its all belief and speculation. only LIARS
> like you try to claim it as fact.
See? Bald-faced assertions, like you know
what you're talking about... when you haven't
the slightest clue. You're not qualified to
make your statement... and you don't even
realize this.
> >> it is as it relates to refrigeration, which is the topic of our
> > discussion.
> >
> > Physics, Nate
>
> TRANSLATION --> "ill throw out smoke and mirrors because i have no
response"
They'll do you no good, as they always haven't.
Physics allows you to understand the basis of
all other sciences... along with its ally, Math,
it is the father of all other sciences. Your
wilful ignorance may allow you to make a
comfortable living, but it in no way qualifies
you to make assertions about atmospheric
science.
> > How about this one?
> >
http://www.pe.gatech.edu/conted/serv...?COURSE_ID=543
> >
> > loser...
>
> you STUPID and ignorant fool, that is a CRYO CLASS! i asked you for an
> HVAC/R course that included cryo. ive already stated long ago that cryo
was
> its own specialized segment therefore its a given that it would have its
own
> classes. your claim is that its "refrigeration" which is why i want to
see
> it as part of an hvac/r standard curriculum. YOU LOSE, liar.
See the above link... it is most certainly Refrigeration,
with a capital 'R'.
> >> that does not make me qualified to work on it. as i said above, i
never
> >> said ---- about _knowledge_, my statement was about qualifications.
> >
> > Spin! More spin!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i cannot respond to your statement that kicked my ***
of course you can't... : )
> > Are you qualified to work on
> > cryogenic refrigeration?
>
> no, and i never claimed to be. im a refrigeration tech, not cryo.
Well, you must have lost the bet when you said:
<>
oh, but id bet im more qualified to work on
cryo than you are to talk about it.
</>
and then you accused me of 'cutting and pasting'
when I wrote a nice paragraph about maintaining
a radio-telescope cryo refrigerator. Dropped that one
like a hot potato! So I ended up talking about it
in a way that obviously shows that I know what I'm
talking about... and makes the -------- coming
out of your mouth look even more foolish.
You'd better start 'owning some limitations'
pretty quick... if you want to leave here owning
more than the shirt on your back!
> >> because cryo isnt refrigeration.
> >
> > Then why did you deign to discuss it?
>
> because it was irrelevant to our discussion. just another red herring in
a
> pitiful attempt at spinning the topic away from your own ignorance.
You discussed it because it was irrelevant?
No, you discussed it because I called you
a -----! Like a trout, taking the fly...
hook, line, and swivel!
> "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
Perfectly good replacement, when no low
ambient is coming. Order the part, replace
the part, pull a vacuum, open the valves...
fixed.
> > I'm afraid you'll have to point the 'continues'
> > part out to us... nobody else here sees this.
>
> lol LIAR. you just cant stop referencing my man parts. lol.
See? Nothing...
> > Your command of TLA's is almost as amazing
> > as your ignorance of your limitations... we can
> > all see you hiding behind them, like they were
> > the be-all and end-all of your schooling.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i dont even know the basic terminology nate" LOL
You're hiding behind another TLA. It's
a pattern for you. You think it shows
knowlege... well, that's all it shows,
knowlege of an acronym.
> > Once again, if you'll relate what you think
> > PMB means, I'll relate how I already know
> > something about it.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "please give me something i can google so i can pretend to
> know something" :-)
You really don't trust me! I promised I
wouldn't google, just like the last time!
> > Time is no object... I spec'ed a usable
> > substitute. In no way was I supposed
> > to spec the *best* substitute... only
> > a usable one.
>
> LIAR! you gave me nothing but WRONG answers! you havent in any way given
> me any reasonable solution. when you own it, ill give you the proper
> answer.
As I said before, when you allow as to how
you don't know atmospheric science, I'll
admit to not knowing HVAC. I've already
proven that I understand quite a bit about
it... but I'll admit what you want, if you'll
admit that you don't have a clue about
the science of the earth's atmosphere.
I'm not holding my breath, btw...
> > > > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > > > is not required.
> > >
> > > lol you say that as if you knew it before i told you weeks ago. :-)
glad
> > > to see something finally sank in, although youll LIE and claim you
knew it
> > > on your own and then ill have to link to the post where i said it
first.
> >
> > I mentioned it to *you* a *month* ago... here's
> > the post again:
> >
> > <>
> > I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
> > temps coming, you could just do without the
> > HPC (proper terminology).
> > </>
> >
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...04362e0709ebbd
>
> and youre just as wrong back then! :-) you canNOT just bypass it.
Well, are you lying now, or were you lying
nineteen lines above? I just kicked your ***
up and down the gym floor with that one!
> >> and it doesnt matter, so long as it is in the system there is required
> >> regulation so choke on that for a bit. :-)
> >
> > The TEV or Klixon will handle that... or didn't
> > you realize this?
>
> you utter FOOL! the expansion valve has NOTHING to do with regulating
> pressure into the condensor.
You complete IDIOT! The expansion valve
controls the condensor pressure by *releasing*
pressure at the *outlet*. TEV open, pressure
drops! TEV closed, pressure rises! The compressor
high Klixon will shut the compressor down if
it's high threshold is reached.
> >> LIAR! you said "two valves and a pipe" BUWHAHA! :-)
> >
> > How does this substitute for a three-port
> > device? I was subbing for a two-port one!
>
> NO. you were ------- up across the board. :-)
More smoke from your behind...
> > Two-port device! Simple head pressure control
> > application... no bypass.
>
> youre WRONG -------. you have to regulate both ways.....or come up with
> another PAINFULLY simple way of making the pressure regulate itself.....
Really, there's no need for the regulation...
you said so yourself, above. Refrigerant
only needs to be retained in the evaporator
during low ambient... this lowers the efficiency
of the evaporator during low outside temps.
> BUWAHAHA! just own it boy, and ill give it to you. :-)
buwahaha, I told you the conditions...
you first.
> > Turns out that I was right on... and you were
> > 'out in the cold, stuck on the roof'.
>
> lol you fool, i was down in less than 10 minutes where your solution would
> have meant spoiled product because it wouldnt work.
*** smoke...
> > > > This is not about Dupont... it's about UV.
> > >
> > > uh-huh...and it all started the same year their patent on 22 ran out
was
> > > just coincidence. lol.
> >
> >I've already posted links talking about the
> >patent... catch up, that's old stuff you're
> >rehashing. Those patents expired in the '50s,
> >remember? I kicked your *** with it.
> >Here, lay down and I'll kick it some more:
> >
> >http://www.imcool.com/articles/airco...nt_history.htm
> >
> >Say Uncle Please, and I'll let you up off the floor.
> >
> HA! tell me boy, when does 134a become restricted? and when is its
patent
> dated to expire?
You didn't say Uncle.
> >> i want to see ANYTHING from you that qualifies you to work on cryo or
> >> refrigeration.
> >
> > I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
> > that qualify?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i can produce no proof because im LYING nate"
I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
that qualify?
> > You're the idiot cranking valves on
> > the roof!
>
> LIAR! that was YOUR recommendation! it was your failed solution that you
> now sit and try to lie your way out of. :-)
Nope... you suggested the valves be used
for that purpose. I've already made my
use of them plain as day... not for regulation.
> >> LIAR! you can buy all you want throughout central america to include
> >> mexico.
> >
> > I said 'civilized', moron...
>
> ah, so mexico isnt a civilized nation? you fool. mexico doesnt play your
> liberal games.
Yes, a fine example of what Bush wants our
country to be!
> > My bad... manufacturing phaseout is due
> > by January 2010. Sorry for the mistake.
>
> just one of an endless list of your ---- ups.
Transferrence, Nate... you're wishing again.
How about that patent howler above? Pretty
damn funny if you ask me... I got to kick
your *** twice with the same info!
> > So all systems don't have the valve? Does
> > an icemaker have the valve?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "more smoke and mirrors"
>
> ice machines are irrelevant as they have no need for either.
All systems don't have the valve. Thanks
for admitting that.
> > no certification is required to work on
> > cryogenic refrigeration systems that use
> > non-harmful gasses. Satisfied? I am...
>
> so if you know something about it, give me the settings on the FCC (CC =
> cycle control, now google it and try to figure it out).
We stopped playing that game. You haven't
even given me what you think PMB means...
more TLA's arent' going to save your ***
around here.
> >> lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you
cant
> >> even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
> >
> > Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate, i cannot answer the question"
As I said, you can't hide behind TLA's forever.
> > > lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you
cant
> > > even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
> >
> > Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right...
> > believe me, it's not easy to get an email address
> > like 'scowell@vlbacc.aoc.nrao.edu' without
> > working there.
No response? *** kicked again... more points for me.
> >
> > This is the second time you've attempted to hide
> > behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
> > a jerk.
>
> lol this just means im kicking your *** with your own ignorance. if you
> knew anything about what you speak you would already know what they mean.
This is the third time you've attempted to hide
behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
a jerk.
> > Working pressures:
> > <>
> > The helium is
> > sprayed in at 200psi, then pumped out by
> > the fiber pistons at 65psi...
>
> BZZT! NOT what im looking for!
Well, it's what I'm giving.
> > How can a person lie, when all of the
> > previous text is available for everyone
> > to read? Calling someone a 'liar' in
> > our current context is ridiculous... we
> > all can read. Really, it's all you've got
> > left... if only wishes were fishes!
>
> you sure do manage.
I manage quite well, thank you. You still
haven't said Uncle! Get back on the floor.
> > Read the polls, and suck them up. The lamest of
> > lame duck presidencies is going down the tubes
> > spectacularly, and the history books will have a
> > field day with it. This one will stink for generations,
> > count on it. And you're one of the ones we can
> > thank for it!
>
> lol.....polls my ***. you lost boy!
The history books will get it right,
eventually... then it will become plain
that we *all* lost, big time. The worst
administration in the history of the USA,
I predict.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic)."... Nate
..
#4346
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11flin0baf321af@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:j5yKe.83$bp5.27@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net...
> > I asked what was meant by 'in a pinch'
>
> LIAR!! here is the post stevie: news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com
>
> ALL you said was:
>
> "> What is that, High Mobility Coupling?"
Liar.
> and i responded with
>
> ""in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day)."
>
> now liar, show me ANYWHERE in that post where you asked me what was meant
by
> in a pinch prior to me stating it for you. liar.
<>
809. Stephen Cowell Jul 1, 7:26 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
From: "Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> - Find messages by this
author
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:26:59 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 1 2005 7:26 am
Subject: Re: 134a Refrigerant
Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original |
Report Abuse
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJee...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11c6qi7ef3b1c20@corp.supernews.com...
....
> great! now give me an alternative to replacing an HMC in a pinch. :-)
What is that, High Mobility Coupling? Like a big double-thick
steel-braided hose? We had two of those on the radiotelescope
dish (they always come in pairs in your line of business!).
Do you mean the coupling is in a pinch, or that you're in
a pinch to replace it?
__
Steve
..
</>
Liar.
> > The
> > challenge was poorly spec'ed... and as such I met the
> > criteria.
>
> the challenge was clear and you choked. :-)
Liar.
> > We can all see that the -30 degrees is not a condition...
>
> the low ambient is clearly a condition, otherwise you could simply change
> the HMC. doesnt matter, your "two valves" thing was so ridiculous that it
> overshadows your other stupid statements. :-)
Liar.
> >> yeah, i ------- told you that nearly 2 weeks ago. :-)
> >
> > Remember this one I wrote?
> > <>
> > I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
> > temps coming, you could just do without the
> > HPC (proper terminology).
> > </>
> >
> > It's dated July 5th!
>
> and you were just as WRONG on july 5th! you cannot just "do without" the
> HPC. you have to regulate head pressures on low temp applications.
Liar.
> >> thats NOT what it does! it regulates head pressure distribution.
> >
> > Exactly! More bandwidth! No freezing up!
>
> WRONG! it regulates distribution in both directions. try again.
Liar.
> > NOAA
>
> is no more credible than the EPA. give me an impartial source from the
> scientific (NOT government, NOT political driven like your "proudliberal"
> url) source that makes _conclusive_ statements on this matter. like
> everything else, youve simply choked on it.
Liar.
> > You posted a link to a leak detector manual
> > and a page from a refrigeration course
>
> exactly, both stating CONCLUSIVELY that refrigerant falls.
Liar.
> > Keep saying it, Nate
>
> ok. :-) you are a LIAR.
Liar.
> > Remarkably obvious... there's no condition there, even
> > though there's an incredibly stupid circular definition.
>
> the -30 ambient was clear. you only choked on it because you didnt
> understand its relavance.
Liar.
> > A piece of pipe... you have my answer.
>
> lol and its WRONG! :-)
Liar.
> > A piece of pipe!
>
> WRONG! :-)
Liar.
> > The 'piece of pipe' would
> > need to be a Y now, wouldn't it?
>
> lol you ignorant fool! a "Y" configuration woudl give a static equal
> distribution. you are a fool.
If you want two valves to do two different
things, you have to have a tee. Dumbass. Liar.
> > You obviously don't realize that there are two-port
> > as well as three-port head pressure controls.
>
> lol.....smoke and mirrors! there are ALL TYPES of HMC distributors. thus
> far ive limited this discussion to the MOST BASIC. as bad as youre
choking
> on the basics its pointless to confuse you farther. :-)
Dumbass... the simplest is the two-port.
> > Notice the bleeder fitting spec I gave, after
> > reconsideration. Got comprehension?
>
> completely assinine. what the ---- would be the point of it in the first
> place? your valves are POINTLESS! there is no difference in drawing a
> vacuum in your "piece of pipe" (BUWAHAHA!!!!) and in the entire condensor.
> your valves are totally assinine.
Liar. The valves let you close off the two
ports for the head pressure control, and
bypass it with a piece of pipe. The pipe
has a bleeder fitting, to pull a vacuum with.
After the vacuum is pulled, then open the
valves and start refrigerating. Replace
the shunt with a proper HPC before
low ambient hits. ------- dumbass.
> >> lol you are a fool! its a constant dynamic load. you cannot run
without
> >> some form of pressure regulation!
> >
> > Let the Klixon take care of it... see if I care!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "yes nate, i am indeed a fool"
Nothing... he's got nothing but lies.
> > > and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
> > through
> >> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30
> >> degree
> >> day).
> > </>
> >
> > After all, it's still in the clipboard! I can post it again
> > and again, all day long... and it still won't specify
> > low ambient.
>
> lol i CLEARLY see -30 degrees. :-)
In parenthesis, with 'such as' before it.
You're just a liar, Nate... and how you can
manage to keep a clientele and be such an
amazing liar is beyond comprehension...
no wonder you're out in the sticks.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate
..
#4347
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11flin0baf321af@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:j5yKe.83$bp5.27@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net...
> > I asked what was meant by 'in a pinch'
>
> LIAR!! here is the post stevie: news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com
>
> ALL you said was:
>
> "> What is that, High Mobility Coupling?"
Liar.
> and i responded with
>
> ""in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day)."
>
> now liar, show me ANYWHERE in that post where you asked me what was meant
by
> in a pinch prior to me stating it for you. liar.
<>
809. Stephen Cowell Jul 1, 7:26 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
From: "Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> - Find messages by this
author
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:26:59 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 1 2005 7:26 am
Subject: Re: 134a Refrigerant
Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original |
Report Abuse
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJee...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11c6qi7ef3b1c20@corp.supernews.com...
....
> great! now give me an alternative to replacing an HMC in a pinch. :-)
What is that, High Mobility Coupling? Like a big double-thick
steel-braided hose? We had two of those on the radiotelescope
dish (they always come in pairs in your line of business!).
Do you mean the coupling is in a pinch, or that you're in
a pinch to replace it?
__
Steve
..
</>
Liar.
> > The
> > challenge was poorly spec'ed... and as such I met the
> > criteria.
>
> the challenge was clear and you choked. :-)
Liar.
> > We can all see that the -30 degrees is not a condition...
>
> the low ambient is clearly a condition, otherwise you could simply change
> the HMC. doesnt matter, your "two valves" thing was so ridiculous that it
> overshadows your other stupid statements. :-)
Liar.
> >> yeah, i ------- told you that nearly 2 weeks ago. :-)
> >
> > Remember this one I wrote?
> > <>
> > I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
> > temps coming, you could just do without the
> > HPC (proper terminology).
> > </>
> >
> > It's dated July 5th!
>
> and you were just as WRONG on july 5th! you cannot just "do without" the
> HPC. you have to regulate head pressures on low temp applications.
Liar.
> >> thats NOT what it does! it regulates head pressure distribution.
> >
> > Exactly! More bandwidth! No freezing up!
>
> WRONG! it regulates distribution in both directions. try again.
Liar.
> > NOAA
>
> is no more credible than the EPA. give me an impartial source from the
> scientific (NOT government, NOT political driven like your "proudliberal"
> url) source that makes _conclusive_ statements on this matter. like
> everything else, youve simply choked on it.
Liar.
> > You posted a link to a leak detector manual
> > and a page from a refrigeration course
>
> exactly, both stating CONCLUSIVELY that refrigerant falls.
Liar.
> > Keep saying it, Nate
>
> ok. :-) you are a LIAR.
Liar.
> > Remarkably obvious... there's no condition there, even
> > though there's an incredibly stupid circular definition.
>
> the -30 ambient was clear. you only choked on it because you didnt
> understand its relavance.
Liar.
> > A piece of pipe... you have my answer.
>
> lol and its WRONG! :-)
Liar.
> > A piece of pipe!
>
> WRONG! :-)
Liar.
> > The 'piece of pipe' would
> > need to be a Y now, wouldn't it?
>
> lol you ignorant fool! a "Y" configuration woudl give a static equal
> distribution. you are a fool.
If you want two valves to do two different
things, you have to have a tee. Dumbass. Liar.
> > You obviously don't realize that there are two-port
> > as well as three-port head pressure controls.
>
> lol.....smoke and mirrors! there are ALL TYPES of HMC distributors. thus
> far ive limited this discussion to the MOST BASIC. as bad as youre
choking
> on the basics its pointless to confuse you farther. :-)
Dumbass... the simplest is the two-port.
> > Notice the bleeder fitting spec I gave, after
> > reconsideration. Got comprehension?
>
> completely assinine. what the ---- would be the point of it in the first
> place? your valves are POINTLESS! there is no difference in drawing a
> vacuum in your "piece of pipe" (BUWAHAHA!!!!) and in the entire condensor.
> your valves are totally assinine.
Liar. The valves let you close off the two
ports for the head pressure control, and
bypass it with a piece of pipe. The pipe
has a bleeder fitting, to pull a vacuum with.
After the vacuum is pulled, then open the
valves and start refrigerating. Replace
the shunt with a proper HPC before
low ambient hits. ------- dumbass.
> >> lol you are a fool! its a constant dynamic load. you cannot run
without
> >> some form of pressure regulation!
> >
> > Let the Klixon take care of it... see if I care!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "yes nate, i am indeed a fool"
Nothing... he's got nothing but lies.
> > > and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
> > through
> >> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30
> >> degree
> >> day).
> > </>
> >
> > After all, it's still in the clipboard! I can post it again
> > and again, all day long... and it still won't specify
> > low ambient.
>
> lol i CLEARLY see -30 degrees. :-)
In parenthesis, with 'such as' before it.
You're just a liar, Nate... and how you can
manage to keep a clientele and be such an
amazing liar is beyond comprehension...
no wonder you're out in the sticks.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate
..
#4348
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11flin0baf321af@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:j5yKe.83$bp5.27@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net...
> > I asked what was meant by 'in a pinch'
>
> LIAR!! here is the post stevie: news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com
>
> ALL you said was:
>
> "> What is that, High Mobility Coupling?"
Liar.
> and i responded with
>
> ""in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day)."
>
> now liar, show me ANYWHERE in that post where you asked me what was meant
by
> in a pinch prior to me stating it for you. liar.
<>
809. Stephen Cowell Jul 1, 7:26 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
From: "Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> - Find messages by this
author
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:26:59 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 1 2005 7:26 am
Subject: Re: 134a Refrigerant
Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original |
Report Abuse
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJee...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11c6qi7ef3b1c20@corp.supernews.com...
....
> great! now give me an alternative to replacing an HMC in a pinch. :-)
What is that, High Mobility Coupling? Like a big double-thick
steel-braided hose? We had two of those on the radiotelescope
dish (they always come in pairs in your line of business!).
Do you mean the coupling is in a pinch, or that you're in
a pinch to replace it?
__
Steve
..
</>
Liar.
> > The
> > challenge was poorly spec'ed... and as such I met the
> > criteria.
>
> the challenge was clear and you choked. :-)
Liar.
> > We can all see that the -30 degrees is not a condition...
>
> the low ambient is clearly a condition, otherwise you could simply change
> the HMC. doesnt matter, your "two valves" thing was so ridiculous that it
> overshadows your other stupid statements. :-)
Liar.
> >> yeah, i ------- told you that nearly 2 weeks ago. :-)
> >
> > Remember this one I wrote?
> > <>
> > I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
> > temps coming, you could just do without the
> > HPC (proper terminology).
> > </>
> >
> > It's dated July 5th!
>
> and you were just as WRONG on july 5th! you cannot just "do without" the
> HPC. you have to regulate head pressures on low temp applications.
Liar.
> >> thats NOT what it does! it regulates head pressure distribution.
> >
> > Exactly! More bandwidth! No freezing up!
>
> WRONG! it regulates distribution in both directions. try again.
Liar.
> > NOAA
>
> is no more credible than the EPA. give me an impartial source from the
> scientific (NOT government, NOT political driven like your "proudliberal"
> url) source that makes _conclusive_ statements on this matter. like
> everything else, youve simply choked on it.
Liar.
> > You posted a link to a leak detector manual
> > and a page from a refrigeration course
>
> exactly, both stating CONCLUSIVELY that refrigerant falls.
Liar.
> > Keep saying it, Nate
>
> ok. :-) you are a LIAR.
Liar.
> > Remarkably obvious... there's no condition there, even
> > though there's an incredibly stupid circular definition.
>
> the -30 ambient was clear. you only choked on it because you didnt
> understand its relavance.
Liar.
> > A piece of pipe... you have my answer.
>
> lol and its WRONG! :-)
Liar.
> > A piece of pipe!
>
> WRONG! :-)
Liar.
> > The 'piece of pipe' would
> > need to be a Y now, wouldn't it?
>
> lol you ignorant fool! a "Y" configuration woudl give a static equal
> distribution. you are a fool.
If you want two valves to do two different
things, you have to have a tee. Dumbass. Liar.
> > You obviously don't realize that there are two-port
> > as well as three-port head pressure controls.
>
> lol.....smoke and mirrors! there are ALL TYPES of HMC distributors. thus
> far ive limited this discussion to the MOST BASIC. as bad as youre
choking
> on the basics its pointless to confuse you farther. :-)
Dumbass... the simplest is the two-port.
> > Notice the bleeder fitting spec I gave, after
> > reconsideration. Got comprehension?
>
> completely assinine. what the ---- would be the point of it in the first
> place? your valves are POINTLESS! there is no difference in drawing a
> vacuum in your "piece of pipe" (BUWAHAHA!!!!) and in the entire condensor.
> your valves are totally assinine.
Liar. The valves let you close off the two
ports for the head pressure control, and
bypass it with a piece of pipe. The pipe
has a bleeder fitting, to pull a vacuum with.
After the vacuum is pulled, then open the
valves and start refrigerating. Replace
the shunt with a proper HPC before
low ambient hits. ------- dumbass.
> >> lol you are a fool! its a constant dynamic load. you cannot run
without
> >> some form of pressure regulation!
> >
> > Let the Klixon take care of it... see if I care!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "yes nate, i am indeed a fool"
Nothing... he's got nothing but lies.
> > > and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
> > through
> >> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30
> >> degree
> >> day).
> > </>
> >
> > After all, it's still in the clipboard! I can post it again
> > and again, all day long... and it still won't specify
> > low ambient.
>
> lol i CLEARLY see -30 degrees. :-)
In parenthesis, with 'such as' before it.
You're just a liar, Nate... and how you can
manage to keep a clientele and be such an
amazing liar is beyond comprehension...
no wonder you're out in the sticks.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate
..
#4349
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11flin0baf321af@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:j5yKe.83$bp5.27@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net...
> > I asked what was meant by 'in a pinch'
>
> LIAR!! here is the post stevie: news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com
>
> ALL you said was:
>
> "> What is that, High Mobility Coupling?"
Liar.
> and i responded with
>
> ""in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day)."
>
> now liar, show me ANYWHERE in that post where you asked me what was meant
by
> in a pinch prior to me stating it for you. liar.
<>
809. Stephen Cowell Jul 1, 7:26 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
From: "Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> - Find messages by this
author
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:26:59 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 1 2005 7:26 am
Subject: Re: 134a Refrigerant
Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original |
Report Abuse
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJee...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11c6qi7ef3b1c20@corp.supernews.com...
....
> great! now give me an alternative to replacing an HMC in a pinch. :-)
What is that, High Mobility Coupling? Like a big double-thick
steel-braided hose? We had two of those on the radiotelescope
dish (they always come in pairs in your line of business!).
Do you mean the coupling is in a pinch, or that you're in
a pinch to replace it?
__
Steve
..
</>
Liar.
> > The
> > challenge was poorly spec'ed... and as such I met the
> > criteria.
>
> the challenge was clear and you choked. :-)
Liar.
> > We can all see that the -30 degrees is not a condition...
>
> the low ambient is clearly a condition, otherwise you could simply change
> the HMC. doesnt matter, your "two valves" thing was so ridiculous that it
> overshadows your other stupid statements. :-)
Liar.
> >> yeah, i ------- told you that nearly 2 weeks ago. :-)
> >
> > Remember this one I wrote?
> > <>
> > I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
> > temps coming, you could just do without the
> > HPC (proper terminology).
> > </>
> >
> > It's dated July 5th!
>
> and you were just as WRONG on july 5th! you cannot just "do without" the
> HPC. you have to regulate head pressures on low temp applications.
Liar.
> >> thats NOT what it does! it regulates head pressure distribution.
> >
> > Exactly! More bandwidth! No freezing up!
>
> WRONG! it regulates distribution in both directions. try again.
Liar.
> > NOAA
>
> is no more credible than the EPA. give me an impartial source from the
> scientific (NOT government, NOT political driven like your "proudliberal"
> url) source that makes _conclusive_ statements on this matter. like
> everything else, youve simply choked on it.
Liar.
> > You posted a link to a leak detector manual
> > and a page from a refrigeration course
>
> exactly, both stating CONCLUSIVELY that refrigerant falls.
Liar.
> > Keep saying it, Nate
>
> ok. :-) you are a LIAR.
Liar.
> > Remarkably obvious... there's no condition there, even
> > though there's an incredibly stupid circular definition.
>
> the -30 ambient was clear. you only choked on it because you didnt
> understand its relavance.
Liar.
> > A piece of pipe... you have my answer.
>
> lol and its WRONG! :-)
Liar.
> > A piece of pipe!
>
> WRONG! :-)
Liar.
> > The 'piece of pipe' would
> > need to be a Y now, wouldn't it?
>
> lol you ignorant fool! a "Y" configuration woudl give a static equal
> distribution. you are a fool.
If you want two valves to do two different
things, you have to have a tee. Dumbass. Liar.
> > You obviously don't realize that there are two-port
> > as well as three-port head pressure controls.
>
> lol.....smoke and mirrors! there are ALL TYPES of HMC distributors. thus
> far ive limited this discussion to the MOST BASIC. as bad as youre
choking
> on the basics its pointless to confuse you farther. :-)
Dumbass... the simplest is the two-port.
> > Notice the bleeder fitting spec I gave, after
> > reconsideration. Got comprehension?
>
> completely assinine. what the ---- would be the point of it in the first
> place? your valves are POINTLESS! there is no difference in drawing a
> vacuum in your "piece of pipe" (BUWAHAHA!!!!) and in the entire condensor.
> your valves are totally assinine.
Liar. The valves let you close off the two
ports for the head pressure control, and
bypass it with a piece of pipe. The pipe
has a bleeder fitting, to pull a vacuum with.
After the vacuum is pulled, then open the
valves and start refrigerating. Replace
the shunt with a proper HPC before
low ambient hits. ------- dumbass.
> >> lol you are a fool! its a constant dynamic load. you cannot run
without
> >> some form of pressure regulation!
> >
> > Let the Klixon take care of it... see if I care!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "yes nate, i am indeed a fool"
Nothing... he's got nothing but lies.
> > > and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
> > through
> >> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30
> >> degree
> >> day).
> > </>
> >
> > After all, it's still in the clipboard! I can post it again
> > and again, all day long... and it still won't specify
> > low ambient.
>
> lol i CLEARLY see -30 degrees. :-)
In parenthesis, with 'such as' before it.
You're just a liar, Nate... and how you can
manage to keep a clientele and be such an
amazing liar is beyond comprehension...
no wonder you're out in the sticks.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate
..
#4350
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1eYKe.200$k92.182@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> and it doesnt change ----, liar. cryo is not refrigeration.
>
> http://www.ineosfluor.com/Refrigerat.../Cryogenic.asp
wtf? that paper is on cryogenic refrigeration. cryogenic refrigeration is
its own specialized segment. it is not refrigeration.
>> lol. you cant because you know NOTHING of cryo. :-)
>
> More TLA's... they're not going to save you,
> Nate.
but you sure choked on them! why? because you are an ignorant fool.
ignorant because you dont know refrigeration, and a fool because you would
try to -------- someone who _does_ about your qualifications. youre nothing
stephen. nothing but a liberal and a liar (course, "liberal" would have
covered both).
> See? Bald-faced assertions, like you know
> what you're talking about... when you haven't
> the slightest clue.
i know enough to know that NONE of it is proven. its all speculation and
belief.
> You're not qualified to
> make your statement
im not qualified to speak with authority. neither are you. we're _both_
speaking out of our belief, but none of it is proven.
> Your
> wilful ignorance may allow you to make a
> comfortable living
and it does! i went out just yesterday and threw down $9000 on kids toys.
http://7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=924 it means putting off my
next new jeep for a couple months, but ill get it. :-) perhaps if you
adopted some conservative values (accepting personal responsibility for
making your own way, hard work, ethics above all) you can enjoy a little
taste too. :-)
> See the above link... it is most certainly Refrigeration,
> with a capital 'R'.
it is NOT what i asked you for! your link is on cryogenic refrigeration.
my statment (which happens to be based in fact....i understand you never let
facts stand in your way though) is that cryogenic refrigeration is ITS OWN
specialized segment, that it is NOT refrigeration. i CLEARLY asked you for
an HVAC/R curriculum that included cryo. instead you threw a red herring.
nothing new there.
> if you want to leave here owning
> more than the shirt on your back!
lol such as assinine statement! :-)
> You discussed it because it was irrelevant?
no. i discussed it to show the extent of your foolishness.
>> "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
>
> Perfectly good replacement, when no low
> ambient is coming. Order the part, replace
> the part, pull a vacuum, open the valves...
> fixed.
lol your example is totally foolish! it would do NOTHING but be a total
waste of time no matter what you want to claim (this time) that your valves
are for! that you would continue to defend your position after having it
explained to you many times just goes to show how much of a pathetic liar
you are. ive given you the facts, and nothing you can say will changed them
because unlike ozone depletion, refrigeration _is_ a known science. dude,
for your own knowledge i urge you to call a local refrigeration company in
your area and tell them about your "two valves and a pipe" and let them tell
you how foolish it is. hell, leave out the valves, just use the pipe and
let them tell you how foolish it is. its a pointless effort on MANY levels
and not a realistic solution for ANYTHING. even if you remove the HMC,
because the bypass in in place you still MUST regulate it or youll have
equal distribution which will lower your working pressures and starve your
system.
> You're hiding behind another TLA. It's
> a pattern for you. You think it shows
> knowlege
lol no. it shows your _lack_ of knowledge. i gave you the FCC, and clearly
stated that the CC stood for "cycle controller". cryo uses no type of cycle
controller, _at all_. the process is completely different. if you knew
anything about the mechanical function of cryogenic refrigeration systems
you would have called me on that immediately. you are a LIAR.
> I'll
> admit to not knowing HVAC.
we arent discussing hvac. we're discussing refrigeration. and dont bother,
your ignorance and multiple ---- ups is all the admission that anyone
knowing anything about refrigeration will need to know.
>> and youre just as wrong back then! :-) you canNOT just bypass it.
>
> Well, are you lying now, or were you lying
> nineteen lines above?
ive explained it many times. if youre to STUPID to understand it then thats
your limitation. if an HMC were never installed to begin with you wouldnt
require regulation above low ambient, but since its there you MUST at least
regulate the bypass tube. your valves would require 24/7 monitoring which
isnt realistic, and your "Y" or "T" would distribute equally causing low
working pressures. you are WRONG stephen. your solution is assinine,
foolish, unrealistic, and a flat out waste of time.
> You complete IDIOT! The expansion valve
> controls the condensor pressure by *releasing*
> pressure at the *outlet*.
you ------- fool. the expansion valve regulates EVAPORATOR pressure. you
had better read your little google a little closer. im going to keep this
one for later use, its blatent ignorance! :-) the expansion valve, you
------- FOOL, is located in the input side of the evaporator and regulates
the working pressures of the evaporator. see
http://www.aircondition.com/dsmobileac/poastv.html for a little basic
education, and then lets see an apology for your ignorance (or at least one
hell of a back-peddle! :-)
>> youre WRONG -------. you have to regulate both ways.....or come up with
>> another PAINFULLY simple way of making the pressure regulate itself.....
>
> Really, there's no need for the regulation...
> you said so yourself, above. Refrigerant
> only needs to be retained in the evaporator
> during low ambient... this lowers the efficiency
> of the evaporator during low outside temps.
lol dude....do you even know the difference of the componentry? google a
refrigerant flow chart or something. youre completely assinine and i have
to seriously wonder if youre smoking crack.
and besides, even in high ambient you have to regulate the bypass or the
refrigerant will distribute equally causing low condensor pressures.
>> lol you fool, i was down in less than 10 minutes where your solution
>> would
>> have meant spoiled product because it wouldnt work.
>
> *** smoke...
TRANSLATION --> "i dont understand how it all works, nate"
> You didn't say Uncle.
TRANSLATION --> "i have no response"
>> ice machines are irrelevant as they have no need for either.
>
> All systems don't have the valve. Thanks
> for admitting that.
dude you really are a ------- fool. i NEVER said otherwise. this is
-------- smoke and mirrors on your part.
>> so if you know something about it, give me the settings on the FCC (CC =
>> cycle control, now google it and try to figure it out).
>
> We stopped playing that game.
TRANSLATION --> "i didnt even know the difference because i just dont know
cryo, nate"
yeah, no ----.
> This is the third time you've attempted to hide
> behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
> a jerk.
TRANSLATION --> "please stop exposing my true ignorance, nate"
>> BZZT! NOT what im looking for!
>
> Well, it's what I'm giving.
TRANSLATION --> "i dont know, nate"
> The history books will get it right,
> eventually
TRANSLATION --> "when we grow up im gonna beat you up".
BUWAHAHA! :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
news:1eYKe.200$k92.182@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> and it doesnt change ----, liar. cryo is not refrigeration.
>
> http://www.ineosfluor.com/Refrigerat.../Cryogenic.asp
wtf? that paper is on cryogenic refrigeration. cryogenic refrigeration is
its own specialized segment. it is not refrigeration.
>> lol. you cant because you know NOTHING of cryo. :-)
>
> More TLA's... they're not going to save you,
> Nate.
but you sure choked on them! why? because you are an ignorant fool.
ignorant because you dont know refrigeration, and a fool because you would
try to -------- someone who _does_ about your qualifications. youre nothing
stephen. nothing but a liberal and a liar (course, "liberal" would have
covered both).
> See? Bald-faced assertions, like you know
> what you're talking about... when you haven't
> the slightest clue.
i know enough to know that NONE of it is proven. its all speculation and
belief.
> You're not qualified to
> make your statement
im not qualified to speak with authority. neither are you. we're _both_
speaking out of our belief, but none of it is proven.
> Your
> wilful ignorance may allow you to make a
> comfortable living
and it does! i went out just yesterday and threw down $9000 on kids toys.
http://7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=924 it means putting off my
next new jeep for a couple months, but ill get it. :-) perhaps if you
adopted some conservative values (accepting personal responsibility for
making your own way, hard work, ethics above all) you can enjoy a little
taste too. :-)
> See the above link... it is most certainly Refrigeration,
> with a capital 'R'.
it is NOT what i asked you for! your link is on cryogenic refrigeration.
my statment (which happens to be based in fact....i understand you never let
facts stand in your way though) is that cryogenic refrigeration is ITS OWN
specialized segment, that it is NOT refrigeration. i CLEARLY asked you for
an HVAC/R curriculum that included cryo. instead you threw a red herring.
nothing new there.
> if you want to leave here owning
> more than the shirt on your back!
lol such as assinine statement! :-)
> You discussed it because it was irrelevant?
no. i discussed it to show the extent of your foolishness.
>> "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
>
> Perfectly good replacement, when no low
> ambient is coming. Order the part, replace
> the part, pull a vacuum, open the valves...
> fixed.
lol your example is totally foolish! it would do NOTHING but be a total
waste of time no matter what you want to claim (this time) that your valves
are for! that you would continue to defend your position after having it
explained to you many times just goes to show how much of a pathetic liar
you are. ive given you the facts, and nothing you can say will changed them
because unlike ozone depletion, refrigeration _is_ a known science. dude,
for your own knowledge i urge you to call a local refrigeration company in
your area and tell them about your "two valves and a pipe" and let them tell
you how foolish it is. hell, leave out the valves, just use the pipe and
let them tell you how foolish it is. its a pointless effort on MANY levels
and not a realistic solution for ANYTHING. even if you remove the HMC,
because the bypass in in place you still MUST regulate it or youll have
equal distribution which will lower your working pressures and starve your
system.
> You're hiding behind another TLA. It's
> a pattern for you. You think it shows
> knowlege
lol no. it shows your _lack_ of knowledge. i gave you the FCC, and clearly
stated that the CC stood for "cycle controller". cryo uses no type of cycle
controller, _at all_. the process is completely different. if you knew
anything about the mechanical function of cryogenic refrigeration systems
you would have called me on that immediately. you are a LIAR.
> I'll
> admit to not knowing HVAC.
we arent discussing hvac. we're discussing refrigeration. and dont bother,
your ignorance and multiple ---- ups is all the admission that anyone
knowing anything about refrigeration will need to know.
>> and youre just as wrong back then! :-) you canNOT just bypass it.
>
> Well, are you lying now, or were you lying
> nineteen lines above?
ive explained it many times. if youre to STUPID to understand it then thats
your limitation. if an HMC were never installed to begin with you wouldnt
require regulation above low ambient, but since its there you MUST at least
regulate the bypass tube. your valves would require 24/7 monitoring which
isnt realistic, and your "Y" or "T" would distribute equally causing low
working pressures. you are WRONG stephen. your solution is assinine,
foolish, unrealistic, and a flat out waste of time.
> You complete IDIOT! The expansion valve
> controls the condensor pressure by *releasing*
> pressure at the *outlet*.
you ------- fool. the expansion valve regulates EVAPORATOR pressure. you
had better read your little google a little closer. im going to keep this
one for later use, its blatent ignorance! :-) the expansion valve, you
------- FOOL, is located in the input side of the evaporator and regulates
the working pressures of the evaporator. see
http://www.aircondition.com/dsmobileac/poastv.html for a little basic
education, and then lets see an apology for your ignorance (or at least one
hell of a back-peddle! :-)
>> youre WRONG -------. you have to regulate both ways.....or come up with
>> another PAINFULLY simple way of making the pressure regulate itself.....
>
> Really, there's no need for the regulation...
> you said so yourself, above. Refrigerant
> only needs to be retained in the evaporator
> during low ambient... this lowers the efficiency
> of the evaporator during low outside temps.
lol dude....do you even know the difference of the componentry? google a
refrigerant flow chart or something. youre completely assinine and i have
to seriously wonder if youre smoking crack.
and besides, even in high ambient you have to regulate the bypass or the
refrigerant will distribute equally causing low condensor pressures.
>> lol you fool, i was down in less than 10 minutes where your solution
>> would
>> have meant spoiled product because it wouldnt work.
>
> *** smoke...
TRANSLATION --> "i dont understand how it all works, nate"
> You didn't say Uncle.
TRANSLATION --> "i have no response"
>> ice machines are irrelevant as they have no need for either.
>
> All systems don't have the valve. Thanks
> for admitting that.
dude you really are a ------- fool. i NEVER said otherwise. this is
-------- smoke and mirrors on your part.
>> so if you know something about it, give me the settings on the FCC (CC =
>> cycle control, now google it and try to figure it out).
>
> We stopped playing that game.
TRANSLATION --> "i didnt even know the difference because i just dont know
cryo, nate"
yeah, no ----.
> This is the third time you've attempted to hide
> behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
> a jerk.
TRANSLATION --> "please stop exposing my true ignorance, nate"
>> BZZT! NOT what im looking for!
>
> Well, it's what I'm giving.
TRANSLATION --> "i dont know, nate"
> The history books will get it right,
> eventually
TRANSLATION --> "when we grow up im gonna beat you up".
BUWAHAHA! :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com