134a Refrigerant
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> that youre stump stupid and a pathalogical liar. :-)
>
> Geez, guy... try to make one post without
> misspelling the big words...
TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate"
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http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
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>> that youre stump stupid and a pathalogical liar. :-)
>
> Geez, guy... try to make one post without
> misspelling the big words...
TRANSLATION --> "youre right nate"
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
This is the equation you have me to compute the volume of a
cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> we notice these things around here.
>
> The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> refrain from making claims about it in the
> future.
> __
> Steve
cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> we notice these things around here.
>
> The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> refrain from making claims about it in the
> future.
> __
> Steve
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
This is the equation you have me to compute the volume of a
cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> we notice these things around here.
>
> The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> refrain from making claims about it in the
> future.
> __
> Steve
cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> we notice these things around here.
>
> The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> refrain from making claims about it in the
> future.
> __
> Steve
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
This is the equation you have me to compute the volume of a
cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> we notice these things around here.
>
> The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> refrain from making claims about it in the
> future.
> __
> Steve
cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> we notice these things around here.
>
> The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> refrain from making claims about it in the
> future.
> __
> Steve
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
This is the equation you have me to compute the volume of a
cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> we notice these things around here.
>
> The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> refrain from making claims about it in the
> future.
> __
> Steve
cylinder shape fuel storage tank with a stick: "(pi*(r^2)*L)/2" which
everyone would know would only work if the stick stuck half it's length.
And you tell me my math is elementary?????? <ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> You didn't try to tell us what an arcsin does...
> we notice these things around here.
>
> The whole point of this exercise was to see if
> you had an elementary grasp of math... it's
> painfully obvious that you don't. Please
> refrain from making claims about it in the
> future.
> __
> Steve
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:OiiKe.348$SR5.84@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.. .
> > You only gave an example of 'in a pinch'... there was no
> > additional specification to the challenge
>
> --------. i clarified the scenario for you and you still choked on it.
:-)
I asked what was meant by 'in a pinch'... you stated
'such as', parenthetically... by no means limiting. The
challenge was poorly spec'ed... and as such I met the
criteria.
> > and no low-ambient condition was spec'ed.
>
> i clearly said -30 degree ambient. shall i link it again? :-)
You mean to the post with no challenge in it? Let's
read that gem again... for all to see! Here's the *entire*
post:
<>
"Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Tocxe.1683$U61.33@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com. ..
> What is that, High Mobility Coupling?
try again.
and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you through
temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
day).
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
</>
We can all see that the -30 degrees is not a condition...
and that there's no challenge in that post. This means
that the previous post to Jeff is the specifying post
for the challenge.
> > I happen
> > to know that without this condition, it's not even
> > necessary to have a head pressure control in a system...
>
> yeah, i ------- told you that nearly 2 weeks ago. :-)
Remember this one I wrote?
<>
I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
temps coming, you could just do without the
HPC (proper terminology).
</>
It's dated July 5th! What an ------- you are!
> > as I said before, these controls give the system more
> > thermal bandwidth.
>
> thats NOT what it does! it regulates head pressure distribution.
Exactly! More bandwidth! No freezing up!
> > You ----ed up, and refuse to
> > acknowlege it.
>
> lol you are one ignorant, assinine fool. clue boy, i _never_ ---- up when
> it comes to refrigeration. :-)
Oh, I thought it was only "commercial refrigeration"...
are you a cryo expert now?
> > Kinda like you and the ozone layer?
>
> nope. _nothing_ about ozone depletion is _proven_. its all speculation
> which is why you must resort to URLs with "proudliberal" in them. you had
> to hunt to find someone lacking the integrity to be honest.
NOAA, Nate... around your neck. Many other links
too. You posted a link to a leak detector manual
and a page from a refrigeration course... personally,
I'd be extremely embarrased to post such crap in
a discussion about the upper atmosphere... but then,
I'm very different from you, as I hope to make plain
here.
> > Oh, I must have missed any other time
>
> no you didnt miss it stephen, youve simply grown to believe your own LIES.
> you are a pathlogical liar.
Keep saying it, Nate... another black mark on
your soul for each time you do. We can all
read.
> > There was no -30 degree spec
>
> WRONG. see news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com where i CLEARLY
> stated -30 degrees. :-)
Shall I copy it again? Why didn't you just copy the
sentence? It's so much easier for others to see:
<>
> and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day).
</>
Remarkably obvious... there's no condition there, even
though there's an incredibly stupid circular definition.
> > And now you're waffling on
> > the parts availability
>
> --------. nice try at smoke and mirrors, wont work. i simply stated that
i
> dont care what the reason in order to get back to the one basic point.
> YOURE FULL OF ----. you have NO IDEA what a realistic alternative to
> replacing an HMC would be. :-) play it either way stevie, with or
without
> parts....with or without ambient......give me a realistic alternative.
A piece of pipe... you have my answer.
> > Do we have parts,
> > or not?
>
> really doesnt matter. take your pick, you still wont be able to answer
the
> question. :-)
A piece of pipe!
> > I'll admit ignorance of HVAC if
> > you'll admit ignorance of atmospheric science.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "im a fool, nate".
>
> its abundantly clear that youre completely ignorant when it comes to
> refrigeration. when you own it, ill give you the solution.
See... complete stonewall. You have to own
your atmospheric science ignorance first...
that's what started this whole rigamarole, your
incredibly ignorant assertion that CFC's don't
hurt the ozone layer.
> > Why would there be two valves on the straight
> > piece of pipe, if I was lying?
>
> one to regulate what goes to the condensor, one to regulate what bypasses
> the condensor.
I had envisioned a two-port device... there are
both kinds, you know. The 'piece of pipe' would
need to be a Y now, wouldn't it? You're really, really
grasping at straws now!
> > If the valve was
> > meant to control something, all you'd need would
> > be one valve, right?
>
> you obviously dont understand the basic function of an HMC. duh. :-)
You obviously don't realize that there are two-port
as well as three-port head pressure controls.
> > Why two valves? If you have two valves, you
> > can turn them off, then insert the regulator.
>
> BZZT. you would still have to pull a vaccuum before releasing the
> refrigerant.
Notice the bleeder fitting spec I gave, after
reconsideration. Got comprehension?
> >> BUWHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! the expansion valve regulates pressure going into
the
> >> EVAPORATOR. the HMC regulates HEAD pressure at the condensor!
> >
> > Take some refrigerant out
>
> holy ---- you really DONT know what an HMC does, do you? :-) besides,
when
> you "take some refrigerant out" you would starve your evaporator. these
> components are designed to run within certain pressure specs and if you
> "take some refrigerant out" youre starving the system. starve the system
> and whatever you needed to keep cold will not be cold for very long.
You forgot the part about 'kiss my ***'! OK, we remove
one tablespoon of refrigerant, and the whole thing craters?
Such a sensitive technology!
> > and run without the head
> > pressure control. It's just as simple as that
>
> lol you are a fool! its a constant dynamic load. you cannot run without
> some form of pressure regulation!
Let the Klixon take care of it... see if I care!
> >> youve given me NOTHING conclusive from a credible source.
> >
> > Now you're lying... and stonewalling.
>
> i am only waiting on a credible source.
You can't even name one! Go ahead,
name us a source that I haven't named...
the HVAC industry? NOAA? EPA?
You *lied* when you said you'd listen
to a credible source... you're stonewalling.
> > Obviously you're trying to get
> > additional specs into the challenge
> > that were not part of the original
> > post
>
> i point you to my original post on this matter TO YOU.
> news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com :-)
Let's all read it again!
<>
> and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day).
</>
After all, it's still in the clipboard! I can post it again
and again, all day long... and it still won't specify
low ambient.
> > I'm on the right track
>
> lol yeah, with your "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
Otherwise, why would you fight for your low ambient
'condition' so much? Spin, weasel, welch, twist, turn!
>>> > You claimed that a mixture and a compound
>>> > were the same thing
>>>
>>> LIAR
>>
>>We all read it, Nate... what is it called
>>when you call someone that's telling the
>>truth a liar? Oh, yeah.... lying. See below.
Non-response noted!
> > yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
> > all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
>
> exactly. my first conclusive statement reads "refrigerant is a compound".
> i went on further to explain it to you using mixture generically. it is
> only your desperation that drives you on this, and thats fine. :-)
'Generically'? More transferrence, btw... the ultimate
compliment. C'mon, get up off the floor...
I'm not through with you yet.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate
..
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11fjfvv55ukqe21@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:OiiKe.348$SR5.84@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.. .
> > You only gave an example of 'in a pinch'... there was no
> > additional specification to the challenge
>
> --------. i clarified the scenario for you and you still choked on it.
:-)
I asked what was meant by 'in a pinch'... you stated
'such as', parenthetically... by no means limiting. The
challenge was poorly spec'ed... and as such I met the
criteria.
> > and no low-ambient condition was spec'ed.
>
> i clearly said -30 degree ambient. shall i link it again? :-)
You mean to the post with no challenge in it? Let's
read that gem again... for all to see! Here's the *entire*
post:
<>
"Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Tocxe.1683$U61.33@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com. ..
> What is that, High Mobility Coupling?
try again.
and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you through
temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
day).
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
</>
We can all see that the -30 degrees is not a condition...
and that there's no challenge in that post. This means
that the previous post to Jeff is the specifying post
for the challenge.
> > I happen
> > to know that without this condition, it's not even
> > necessary to have a head pressure control in a system...
>
> yeah, i ------- told you that nearly 2 weeks ago. :-)
Remember this one I wrote?
<>
I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
temps coming, you could just do without the
HPC (proper terminology).
</>
It's dated July 5th! What an ------- you are!
> > as I said before, these controls give the system more
> > thermal bandwidth.
>
> thats NOT what it does! it regulates head pressure distribution.
Exactly! More bandwidth! No freezing up!
> > You ----ed up, and refuse to
> > acknowlege it.
>
> lol you are one ignorant, assinine fool. clue boy, i _never_ ---- up when
> it comes to refrigeration. :-)
Oh, I thought it was only "commercial refrigeration"...
are you a cryo expert now?
> > Kinda like you and the ozone layer?
>
> nope. _nothing_ about ozone depletion is _proven_. its all speculation
> which is why you must resort to URLs with "proudliberal" in them. you had
> to hunt to find someone lacking the integrity to be honest.
NOAA, Nate... around your neck. Many other links
too. You posted a link to a leak detector manual
and a page from a refrigeration course... personally,
I'd be extremely embarrased to post such crap in
a discussion about the upper atmosphere... but then,
I'm very different from you, as I hope to make plain
here.
> > Oh, I must have missed any other time
>
> no you didnt miss it stephen, youve simply grown to believe your own LIES.
> you are a pathlogical liar.
Keep saying it, Nate... another black mark on
your soul for each time you do. We can all
read.
> > There was no -30 degree spec
>
> WRONG. see news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com where i CLEARLY
> stated -30 degrees. :-)
Shall I copy it again? Why didn't you just copy the
sentence? It's so much easier for others to see:
<>
> and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day).
</>
Remarkably obvious... there's no condition there, even
though there's an incredibly stupid circular definition.
> > And now you're waffling on
> > the parts availability
>
> --------. nice try at smoke and mirrors, wont work. i simply stated that
i
> dont care what the reason in order to get back to the one basic point.
> YOURE FULL OF ----. you have NO IDEA what a realistic alternative to
> replacing an HMC would be. :-) play it either way stevie, with or
without
> parts....with or without ambient......give me a realistic alternative.
A piece of pipe... you have my answer.
> > Do we have parts,
> > or not?
>
> really doesnt matter. take your pick, you still wont be able to answer
the
> question. :-)
A piece of pipe!
> > I'll admit ignorance of HVAC if
> > you'll admit ignorance of atmospheric science.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "im a fool, nate".
>
> its abundantly clear that youre completely ignorant when it comes to
> refrigeration. when you own it, ill give you the solution.
See... complete stonewall. You have to own
your atmospheric science ignorance first...
that's what started this whole rigamarole, your
incredibly ignorant assertion that CFC's don't
hurt the ozone layer.
> > Why would there be two valves on the straight
> > piece of pipe, if I was lying?
>
> one to regulate what goes to the condensor, one to regulate what bypasses
> the condensor.
I had envisioned a two-port device... there are
both kinds, you know. The 'piece of pipe' would
need to be a Y now, wouldn't it? You're really, really
grasping at straws now!
> > If the valve was
> > meant to control something, all you'd need would
> > be one valve, right?
>
> you obviously dont understand the basic function of an HMC. duh. :-)
You obviously don't realize that there are two-port
as well as three-port head pressure controls.
> > Why two valves? If you have two valves, you
> > can turn them off, then insert the regulator.
>
> BZZT. you would still have to pull a vaccuum before releasing the
> refrigerant.
Notice the bleeder fitting spec I gave, after
reconsideration. Got comprehension?
> >> BUWHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! the expansion valve regulates pressure going into
the
> >> EVAPORATOR. the HMC regulates HEAD pressure at the condensor!
> >
> > Take some refrigerant out
>
> holy ---- you really DONT know what an HMC does, do you? :-) besides,
when
> you "take some refrigerant out" you would starve your evaporator. these
> components are designed to run within certain pressure specs and if you
> "take some refrigerant out" youre starving the system. starve the system
> and whatever you needed to keep cold will not be cold for very long.
You forgot the part about 'kiss my ***'! OK, we remove
one tablespoon of refrigerant, and the whole thing craters?
Such a sensitive technology!
> > and run without the head
> > pressure control. It's just as simple as that
>
> lol you are a fool! its a constant dynamic load. you cannot run without
> some form of pressure regulation!
Let the Klixon take care of it... see if I care!
> >> youve given me NOTHING conclusive from a credible source.
> >
> > Now you're lying... and stonewalling.
>
> i am only waiting on a credible source.
You can't even name one! Go ahead,
name us a source that I haven't named...
the HVAC industry? NOAA? EPA?
You *lied* when you said you'd listen
to a credible source... you're stonewalling.
> > Obviously you're trying to get
> > additional specs into the challenge
> > that were not part of the original
> > post
>
> i point you to my original post on this matter TO YOU.
> news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com :-)
Let's all read it again!
<>
> and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day).
</>
After all, it's still in the clipboard! I can post it again
and again, all day long... and it still won't specify
low ambient.
> > I'm on the right track
>
> lol yeah, with your "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
Otherwise, why would you fight for your low ambient
'condition' so much? Spin, weasel, welch, twist, turn!
>>> > You claimed that a mixture and a compound
>>> > were the same thing
>>>
>>> LIAR
>>
>>We all read it, Nate... what is it called
>>when you call someone that's telling the
>>truth a liar? Oh, yeah.... lying. See below.
Non-response noted!
> > yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
> > all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
>
> exactly. my first conclusive statement reads "refrigerant is a compound".
> i went on further to explain it to you using mixture generically. it is
> only your desperation that drives you on this, and thats fine. :-)
'Generically'? More transferrence, btw... the ultimate
compliment. C'mon, get up off the floor...
I'm not through with you yet.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate
..
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11fjfvv55ukqe21@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:OiiKe.348$SR5.84@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.. .
> > You only gave an example of 'in a pinch'... there was no
> > additional specification to the challenge
>
> --------. i clarified the scenario for you and you still choked on it.
:-)
I asked what was meant by 'in a pinch'... you stated
'such as', parenthetically... by no means limiting. The
challenge was poorly spec'ed... and as such I met the
criteria.
> > and no low-ambient condition was spec'ed.
>
> i clearly said -30 degree ambient. shall i link it again? :-)
You mean to the post with no challenge in it? Let's
read that gem again... for all to see! Here's the *entire*
post:
<>
"Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Tocxe.1683$U61.33@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com. ..
> What is that, High Mobility Coupling?
try again.
and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you through
temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
day).
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
</>
We can all see that the -30 degrees is not a condition...
and that there's no challenge in that post. This means
that the previous post to Jeff is the specifying post
for the challenge.
> > I happen
> > to know that without this condition, it's not even
> > necessary to have a head pressure control in a system...
>
> yeah, i ------- told you that nearly 2 weeks ago. :-)
Remember this one I wrote?
<>
I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
temps coming, you could just do without the
HPC (proper terminology).
</>
It's dated July 5th! What an ------- you are!
> > as I said before, these controls give the system more
> > thermal bandwidth.
>
> thats NOT what it does! it regulates head pressure distribution.
Exactly! More bandwidth! No freezing up!
> > You ----ed up, and refuse to
> > acknowlege it.
>
> lol you are one ignorant, assinine fool. clue boy, i _never_ ---- up when
> it comes to refrigeration. :-)
Oh, I thought it was only "commercial refrigeration"...
are you a cryo expert now?
> > Kinda like you and the ozone layer?
>
> nope. _nothing_ about ozone depletion is _proven_. its all speculation
> which is why you must resort to URLs with "proudliberal" in them. you had
> to hunt to find someone lacking the integrity to be honest.
NOAA, Nate... around your neck. Many other links
too. You posted a link to a leak detector manual
and a page from a refrigeration course... personally,
I'd be extremely embarrased to post such crap in
a discussion about the upper atmosphere... but then,
I'm very different from you, as I hope to make plain
here.
> > Oh, I must have missed any other time
>
> no you didnt miss it stephen, youve simply grown to believe your own LIES.
> you are a pathlogical liar.
Keep saying it, Nate... another black mark on
your soul for each time you do. We can all
read.
> > There was no -30 degree spec
>
> WRONG. see news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com where i CLEARLY
> stated -30 degrees. :-)
Shall I copy it again? Why didn't you just copy the
sentence? It's so much easier for others to see:
<>
> and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day).
</>
Remarkably obvious... there's no condition there, even
though there's an incredibly stupid circular definition.
> > And now you're waffling on
> > the parts availability
>
> --------. nice try at smoke and mirrors, wont work. i simply stated that
i
> dont care what the reason in order to get back to the one basic point.
> YOURE FULL OF ----. you have NO IDEA what a realistic alternative to
> replacing an HMC would be. :-) play it either way stevie, with or
without
> parts....with or without ambient......give me a realistic alternative.
A piece of pipe... you have my answer.
> > Do we have parts,
> > or not?
>
> really doesnt matter. take your pick, you still wont be able to answer
the
> question. :-)
A piece of pipe!
> > I'll admit ignorance of HVAC if
> > you'll admit ignorance of atmospheric science.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "im a fool, nate".
>
> its abundantly clear that youre completely ignorant when it comes to
> refrigeration. when you own it, ill give you the solution.
See... complete stonewall. You have to own
your atmospheric science ignorance first...
that's what started this whole rigamarole, your
incredibly ignorant assertion that CFC's don't
hurt the ozone layer.
> > Why would there be two valves on the straight
> > piece of pipe, if I was lying?
>
> one to regulate what goes to the condensor, one to regulate what bypasses
> the condensor.
I had envisioned a two-port device... there are
both kinds, you know. The 'piece of pipe' would
need to be a Y now, wouldn't it? You're really, really
grasping at straws now!
> > If the valve was
> > meant to control something, all you'd need would
> > be one valve, right?
>
> you obviously dont understand the basic function of an HMC. duh. :-)
You obviously don't realize that there are two-port
as well as three-port head pressure controls.
> > Why two valves? If you have two valves, you
> > can turn them off, then insert the regulator.
>
> BZZT. you would still have to pull a vaccuum before releasing the
> refrigerant.
Notice the bleeder fitting spec I gave, after
reconsideration. Got comprehension?
> >> BUWHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! the expansion valve regulates pressure going into
the
> >> EVAPORATOR. the HMC regulates HEAD pressure at the condensor!
> >
> > Take some refrigerant out
>
> holy ---- you really DONT know what an HMC does, do you? :-) besides,
when
> you "take some refrigerant out" you would starve your evaporator. these
> components are designed to run within certain pressure specs and if you
> "take some refrigerant out" youre starving the system. starve the system
> and whatever you needed to keep cold will not be cold for very long.
You forgot the part about 'kiss my ***'! OK, we remove
one tablespoon of refrigerant, and the whole thing craters?
Such a sensitive technology!
> > and run without the head
> > pressure control. It's just as simple as that
>
> lol you are a fool! its a constant dynamic load. you cannot run without
> some form of pressure regulation!
Let the Klixon take care of it... see if I care!
> >> youve given me NOTHING conclusive from a credible source.
> >
> > Now you're lying... and stonewalling.
>
> i am only waiting on a credible source.
You can't even name one! Go ahead,
name us a source that I haven't named...
the HVAC industry? NOAA? EPA?
You *lied* when you said you'd listen
to a credible source... you're stonewalling.
> > Obviously you're trying to get
> > additional specs into the challenge
> > that were not part of the original
> > post
>
> i point you to my original post on this matter TO YOU.
> news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com :-)
Let's all read it again!
<>
> and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day).
</>
After all, it's still in the clipboard! I can post it again
and again, all day long... and it still won't specify
low ambient.
> > I'm on the right track
>
> lol yeah, with your "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
Otherwise, why would you fight for your low ambient
'condition' so much? Spin, weasel, welch, twist, turn!
>>> > You claimed that a mixture and a compound
>>> > were the same thing
>>>
>>> LIAR
>>
>>We all read it, Nate... what is it called
>>when you call someone that's telling the
>>truth a liar? Oh, yeah.... lying. See below.
Non-response noted!
> > yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
> > all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
>
> exactly. my first conclusive statement reads "refrigerant is a compound".
> i went on further to explain it to you using mixture generically. it is
> only your desperation that drives you on this, and thats fine. :-)
'Generically'? More transferrence, btw... the ultimate
compliment. C'mon, get up off the floor...
I'm not through with you yet.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:OiiKe.348$SR5.84@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.. .
> > You only gave an example of 'in a pinch'... there was no
> > additional specification to the challenge
>
> --------. i clarified the scenario for you and you still choked on it.
:-)
I asked what was meant by 'in a pinch'... you stated
'such as', parenthetically... by no means limiting. The
challenge was poorly spec'ed... and as such I met the
criteria.
> > and no low-ambient condition was spec'ed.
>
> i clearly said -30 degree ambient. shall i link it again? :-)
You mean to the post with no challenge in it? Let's
read that gem again... for all to see! Here's the *entire*
post:
<>
"Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Tocxe.1683$U61.33@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com. ..
> What is that, High Mobility Coupling?
try again.
and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you through
temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
day).
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
</>
We can all see that the -30 degrees is not a condition...
and that there's no challenge in that post. This means
that the previous post to Jeff is the specifying post
for the challenge.
> > I happen
> > to know that without this condition, it's not even
> > necessary to have a head pressure control in a system...
>
> yeah, i ------- told you that nearly 2 weeks ago. :-)
Remember this one I wrote?
<>
I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
temps coming, you could just do without the
HPC (proper terminology).
</>
It's dated July 5th! What an ------- you are!
> > as I said before, these controls give the system more
> > thermal bandwidth.
>
> thats NOT what it does! it regulates head pressure distribution.
Exactly! More bandwidth! No freezing up!
> > You ----ed up, and refuse to
> > acknowlege it.
>
> lol you are one ignorant, assinine fool. clue boy, i _never_ ---- up when
> it comes to refrigeration. :-)
Oh, I thought it was only "commercial refrigeration"...
are you a cryo expert now?
> > Kinda like you and the ozone layer?
>
> nope. _nothing_ about ozone depletion is _proven_. its all speculation
> which is why you must resort to URLs with "proudliberal" in them. you had
> to hunt to find someone lacking the integrity to be honest.
NOAA, Nate... around your neck. Many other links
too. You posted a link to a leak detector manual
and a page from a refrigeration course... personally,
I'd be extremely embarrased to post such crap in
a discussion about the upper atmosphere... but then,
I'm very different from you, as I hope to make plain
here.
> > Oh, I must have missed any other time
>
> no you didnt miss it stephen, youve simply grown to believe your own LIES.
> you are a pathlogical liar.
Keep saying it, Nate... another black mark on
your soul for each time you do. We can all
read.
> > There was no -30 degree spec
>
> WRONG. see news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com where i CLEARLY
> stated -30 degrees. :-)
Shall I copy it again? Why didn't you just copy the
sentence? It's so much easier for others to see:
<>
> and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day).
</>
Remarkably obvious... there's no condition there, even
though there's an incredibly stupid circular definition.
> > And now you're waffling on
> > the parts availability
>
> --------. nice try at smoke and mirrors, wont work. i simply stated that
i
> dont care what the reason in order to get back to the one basic point.
> YOURE FULL OF ----. you have NO IDEA what a realistic alternative to
> replacing an HMC would be. :-) play it either way stevie, with or
without
> parts....with or without ambient......give me a realistic alternative.
A piece of pipe... you have my answer.
> > Do we have parts,
> > or not?
>
> really doesnt matter. take your pick, you still wont be able to answer
the
> question. :-)
A piece of pipe!
> > I'll admit ignorance of HVAC if
> > you'll admit ignorance of atmospheric science.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "im a fool, nate".
>
> its abundantly clear that youre completely ignorant when it comes to
> refrigeration. when you own it, ill give you the solution.
See... complete stonewall. You have to own
your atmospheric science ignorance first...
that's what started this whole rigamarole, your
incredibly ignorant assertion that CFC's don't
hurt the ozone layer.
> > Why would there be two valves on the straight
> > piece of pipe, if I was lying?
>
> one to regulate what goes to the condensor, one to regulate what bypasses
> the condensor.
I had envisioned a two-port device... there are
both kinds, you know. The 'piece of pipe' would
need to be a Y now, wouldn't it? You're really, really
grasping at straws now!
> > If the valve was
> > meant to control something, all you'd need would
> > be one valve, right?
>
> you obviously dont understand the basic function of an HMC. duh. :-)
You obviously don't realize that there are two-port
as well as three-port head pressure controls.
> > Why two valves? If you have two valves, you
> > can turn them off, then insert the regulator.
>
> BZZT. you would still have to pull a vaccuum before releasing the
> refrigerant.
Notice the bleeder fitting spec I gave, after
reconsideration. Got comprehension?
> >> BUWHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! the expansion valve regulates pressure going into
the
> >> EVAPORATOR. the HMC regulates HEAD pressure at the condensor!
> >
> > Take some refrigerant out
>
> holy ---- you really DONT know what an HMC does, do you? :-) besides,
when
> you "take some refrigerant out" you would starve your evaporator. these
> components are designed to run within certain pressure specs and if you
> "take some refrigerant out" youre starving the system. starve the system
> and whatever you needed to keep cold will not be cold for very long.
You forgot the part about 'kiss my ***'! OK, we remove
one tablespoon of refrigerant, and the whole thing craters?
Such a sensitive technology!
> > and run without the head
> > pressure control. It's just as simple as that
>
> lol you are a fool! its a constant dynamic load. you cannot run without
> some form of pressure regulation!
Let the Klixon take care of it... see if I care!
> >> youve given me NOTHING conclusive from a credible source.
> >
> > Now you're lying... and stonewalling.
>
> i am only waiting on a credible source.
You can't even name one! Go ahead,
name us a source that I haven't named...
the HVAC industry? NOAA? EPA?
You *lied* when you said you'd listen
to a credible source... you're stonewalling.
> > Obviously you're trying to get
> > additional specs into the challenge
> > that were not part of the original
> > post
>
> i point you to my original post on this matter TO YOU.
> news:11cbop8lt1q84d@corp.supernews.com :-)
Let's all read it again!
<>
> and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
through
> temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
> day).
</>
After all, it's still in the clipboard! I can post it again
and again, all day long... and it still won't specify
low ambient.
> > I'm on the right track
>
> lol yeah, with your "two valves and a pipe" BUWAHAHA! :-)
Otherwise, why would you fight for your low ambient
'condition' so much? Spin, weasel, welch, twist, turn!
>>> > You claimed that a mixture and a compound
>>> > were the same thing
>>>
>>> LIAR
>>
>>We all read it, Nate... what is it called
>>when you call someone that's telling the
>>truth a liar? Oh, yeah.... lying. See below.
Non-response noted!
> > yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
> > all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
>
> exactly. my first conclusive statement reads "refrigerant is a compound".
> i went on further to explain it to you using mixture generically. it is
> only your desperation that drives you on this, and thats fine. :-)
'Generically'? More transferrence, btw... the ultimate
compliment. C'mon, get up off the floor...
I'm not through with you yet.
__
Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hljKe.547$fk6.146@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com. ..
> >> cryo is NOT a part of commercial refrigeration. grasp boy! :-)
> >
> > It *is* a part of refrigeration
>
> cryo is its own specialized segment. cryo is not considered
refrigeration.
Another howler... I thought you had it topped before.
Congrats! Your ignorance knows no bounds!
> > who ever said
> > anything about 'commercial refrigeration'?
>
> i have from the beginning.
Not in the post where you made the boast!
(poetic, eh?)
> > And didn't you make some wild-*** claim
> > to be more qualified to work on it than me?
>
> i said id bet im more qualified to work on it than you are to even speak
of
> it. that does NOT mean im claiming to be a qualified cryo tech. if you
> know so much, give me the working pressures, give me the PMB.
I've already spec'ed 'em... go back and read,
I'm not your nursemaid!
> > You forget... I have a bachelor's degree from
> > a four-year state university
>
> lol AND?!?!?!? my mom has a masters degree in education but it doesnt
> qualify her to speak with authority on refrigeration. :-)
And just what gives you the right to speak with
authority on atmospheric science?
> > I certainly wouldn't call
> > it *nothing*
>
> it is as it relates to refrigeration, which is the topic of our
discussion.
Physics, Nate... it's what all the other
sciences are based on. And our current
threadwar concerns your ignorance of
the effects of CFC's on the ozone layer.
Your welching a challenge is just a side
trip from that.
> > and just because you don't want
> > cryo to be part of refrigeration doesn't mean that
> > it's not.
>
> show me ANY hvac/r course taught at any tech school that includes cryo.
>
> you cant.
How about this one?
http://www.pe.gatech.edu/conted/serv...?COURSE_ID=543
loser...
> >> > one you *forgot* about
> >> > when crowing about your so-called encyclopedic
> >> > knowlege of refrigeration.
> >
> >> #1 i never said ---- about _knowledge_.
> >
> > You said:
> >>the only area i dont consider myself qualified on yet is ground
> >>source/geo thermal.
> > Couldn't be plainer.
>
> youre so full of ----. i have _knowledge_ about how the human heart
works.
> that does not make me qualified to work on it. as i said above, i never
> said ---- about _knowledge_, my statement was about qualifications.
Spin! More spin! Pick nits, make up strawmen,
fish red herrings! Are you qualified to work on
cryogenic refrigeration?
> > > ....my statement was
> > > _qualified_.....you know.....recognizing my
> > > own limitations
> >
> > Stop, I'm gonna hurl again!
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i have nothing to say"
Well, *I* do... see my dot.sig!
> > Your poor little neck is not going to keep
> > supporting your head if you keep spinning
> > like this... have a care!
>
> little neck? :-) lol boy id bet i got more neck than you got theigh.
That I'd readily believe... still, you're about
to spin it away! ('theigh'?)
> > How many times did I have to prod him
> > before he'd talk about cryo?
>
> because cryo isnt refrigeration.
Then why did you deign to discuss it?
I had to call you a ----- before you'd
bite... and bite you did! Enjoy the meal!
> >> you sure do seem fascinated with my genetalia.
> >
> > More sick transferrence
>
> coming from someone who continues to mention my male parts? :-)
I'm afraid you'll have to point the 'continues'
part out to us... nobody else here sees this.
> >> BUWHAHA! :-) talk all your ---- about how youre the cryo man yet you
> > cant
> >> even tell me what the PMB is, much less how to adjust it.
> >
> > And yet I wrote:
> > <>
> > I suppose
> > you could say that the PMB is achieving
> > 15K... good enough.
> > </>
>
> WRONG!
Buttsmoke!
> > Why would you adjust a Performance Measurement
> > Baseline?
>
> lol WRONG AGAIN! youre no cryo man, but i knew that long before you
choked
> on the basic PMB.
Your command of TLA's is almost as amazing
as your ignorance of your limitations... we can
all see you hiding behind them, like they were
the be-all and end-all of your schooling.
Once again, if you'll relate what you think
PMB means, I'll relate how I already know
something about it.
> > Make a site pointing out my lies... that
> > should keep you busy!
>
> lol YOU SAID IT! :-) would take me days to republish all your lies.
We're not going to hold our breath... forgive
us.
> > I've already given it... with no low ambient, there's
> > no need for a head pressure control. Just bypass it.
>
> WRONG you ignorant fool. you would spend 10X the amount of time
attempting
> to bypass it as you would to install the correct substitute. try again.
Time is no object... I spec'ed a usable
substitute. In no way was I supposed
to spec the *best* substitute... only
a usable one.
> > Like your knowlege of the ozone layer?
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i have no response"
Indeed! Your complete lack of response to
this recurring question is noted!
> > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > is not required.
>
> lol you say that as if you knew it before i told you weeks ago. :-) glad
> to see something finally sank in, although youll LIE and claim you knew it
> on your own and then ill have to link to the post where i said it first.
I mentioned it to *you* a *month* ago... here's
the post again:
<>
I'd suppose that in a pinch, without low ambient
temps coming, you could just do without the
HPC (proper terminology).
</>
Dated July 5th... here's the link:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...04362e0709ebbd
I'm *sure* we'll all be *very* interested to see
your post predating this one. Your ----in' goose
is cooked on that one, dude... one fried -------,
comin' up. Go ahead, post your link!
> and it doesnt matter, so long as it is in the system there is required
> regulation so choke on that for a bit. :-)
The TEV or Klixon will handle that... or didn't
you realize this?
> > If there's no low ambient, the head pressure control
> > is not required. You may be up on the roof moving
> > some valve, but I never specified that, and even
> > showed how your conjecture makes no sense, given
> > that there is no reason to have two valves if you
> > want to modulate the refrigerant flow... you'd only
> > need one
>
> LIAR! you said "two valves and a pipe" BUWHAHA! :-)
How does this substitute for a three-port
device? I was subbing for a two-port one!
No bypass in my system! You go ahead and
climb the roof... and tell us how to make a
Y-pipe out of one piece of pipe. Hint: it's
very difficult without a tee.
>
> > there is no reason to have two valves if you
> > want to modulate the refrigerant flow... you'd only
> > need one.
>
> WRONG! just because youre regulation pressure into the condensor does NOT
> mean you can dump back into the reciever without regulation. try again.
Two-port device! Simple head pressure control
application... no bypass.
> > You'll have to con*cede* your ignorance of
> > the ozone layer first
>
> lol doesnt matter. ill just keep kicking your *** on your PITIFUL
grasping
> with your two valves and a pipe! :-)
Turns out that I was right on... and you were
'out in the cold, stuck on the roof'.
> > This is not about Dupont... it's about UV.
>
> uh-huh...and it all started the same year their patent on 22 ran out was
> just coincidence. lol.
I've already posted links talking about the
patent... catch up, that's old stuff you're
rehashing. Those patents expired in the '50s,
remember? I kicked your *** with it.
Here, lay down and I'll kick it some more:
http://www.imcool.com/articles/airco...nt_history.htm
Say Uncle Please, and I'll let you up off the floor.
> > Two classes in college physics... the degree
> > was posted by Bill. Your turn!
>
> i want to see ANYTHING from you that qualifies you to work on cryo or
> refrigeration.
I'm wiping the floor with you now, doesn't
that qualify?
> > Then why two valves, Nate?
>
> hey, its your stupid recommendation!
You're the idiot cranking valves on
the roof!
> > It is
> > obvious that I meant the valves to
> > close off the system when the new
> > part was installed
>
> LIAR! the only thing obvious here is that you are speaking from ignorance
> and nothing more.
He's fading, folks... I predict he can't
last much longer. Really stretching on
this one...
> > It's as proven as Evolution... wanna talk about
> > that one?
>
> i fully believe you havent evolved beyond sniffing your finger after
digging
> your ***.
See? He's running out of tricks...
> > The whole civilized world changed
> > refrigerants
>
> LIAR! you can buy all you want throughout central america to include
> mexico.
I said 'civilized', moron...
> > you *had* to have noticed when
> > R22 was not as available as before
>
> wtf? i just bought 300 pounds of it for truck stock last week. didnt
have
> a bit of trouble getting it.
My bad... manufacturing phaseout is due
by January 2010. Sorry for the mistake.
> >> no. its basic refrigeration 101. :-) you dont need to recover
anything
> >> when you can pump it down into its own receiver......but i wouldnt
expect
> >> you to know ANYTHING about that. :-)
> >
> > Doesn't there have to be a valve in the system?
>
> there is already a full valve system in place to do just that.
>
>
> > Does every air conditioning system have this
> > valve? Does my home AC have one? I don't
> > think so.
>
> lol of course not you stupid ----. we arent talking a/c systems here.
> we're talking low temp applications.
So all systems don't have the valve? Does
an icemaker have the valve?
> >> so your suggestion is that you can hire someone working the drive
through
> >> window at mcdonalds to be a cryo tech? and if you COULD do that, it
just
> >> waters down your whole claim to being mr. cryo. :-)
> >
> > Your straw man has red herrings hanging
> > out of its ears
>
> TRANSLATION --> "i cannot answer your question"
Obviously you can hire anyone you want...
no certification is required to work on
cryogenic refrigeration systems that use
non-harmful gasses. Satisfied? I am...
> > Meanwhile, you might post a link showing
> > the necessity of a certification for working
> > on cryo. I got the job without one... chief
> > site tech.
>
> lol LIAR. you were never a chief site tech over anything cryo. you cant
> even tell me what the PMB is, much less the adjustment proceedure.
Well, you got the '***' part of 'assertion' right...
believe me, it's not easy to get an email address
like 'scowell@vlbacc.aoc.nrao.edu' without
working there.
This is the second time you've attempted to hide
behind a three-letter acronym... this makes you
a jerk. Of course, if you tell me what the acronym
stands for, then the same thing will happen again,
and you *know* it. As before, I promise not
to google before my first answer... this time,
please make sure that your PMB is not a brand
name, or if so, please give the proper function
of same.
And, as with every other thing in your limited
universe, there's a book, written by real engineers,
that explains the installation, maintenance, and
adjustment of it.
> > Everything you
> > asked for is in there.
>
> lol NOTHING I asked for is in there. smoke and mirrors trying to hide
your
> ignorance.
Working pressures:
<>
The helium is
sprayed in at 200psi, then pumped out by
the fiber pistons at 65psi...
</>
Performance Measurement Baseline:
<>
I suppose
you could say that the PMB is achieving
15K... good enough.
</>
> > Your problem... you don't trust anyone...
>
> no, i dont trust LIARS like you stevie.
How can a person lie, when all of the
previous text is available for everyone
to read? Calling someone a 'liar' in
our current context is ridiculous... we
all can read. Really, it's all you've got
left... if only wishes were fishes!
> > Oh, *that's* your problem... you resent those
> > people. Well, suck it up, get over it... you'll
> > be happier in life after you do.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "youre right.....you need me to think for you"
>
> sorry boy, you LOST the '00 and '04 presidential elections, not to mention
> senate/etc. as a country we're sick of you, and your power is slipping
> daily. :-)
Read the polls, and suck them up. The lamest of
lame duck presidencies is going down the tubes
spectacularly, and the history books will have a
field day with it. This one will stink for generations,
count on it. And you're one of the ones we can
thank for it!
> > since you'd
> > still be using R22 if not for the world scientific
> > community.
>
> what the ---- are you talking about? i used a good 60 pounds of r22 TODAY
> ALONE.
I confuse R22 and R12... my bad.
Just for that, I give you permission to
vent some pounds while thinking of me...
again.
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Steve
"i recognize my limitations and
immediately own it (sic)."... Nate
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