Superwinch = junk
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires.
hi joshua,
i see where youre going with this (stressing the importance of clearance)
but youre underestimating the importance of drive wheels. if youre up for
it, some of the best 4 wheeling youll find is back behind range 44-47 on
bragg. its a hmmwv proving ground and it has a little bit of everything you
could want. hell, i lost an atv down in a hole that took me a couple days
to get out using the winch on my jeep, the winch on my atv, and about a 1/4
mile of straps and chains. :-)
i havent been since prior to 9/11/01. after 9/11 the security policies on
bragg changed so drastically that i just didnt want to be caught back there.
since then ive talked with a few buddies on post who say that people are
wheeling out there again like it used to be so im going to try it soon. if
youre up for it you could gain a _lot_ of experience out there!
if you decide to go it alone sometime, just make _sure_ you have a gps to
find your way back and should you stumble across the delta compound (youll
know it when you see it, believe me) turn around.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
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> For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires.
hi joshua,
i see where youre going with this (stressing the importance of clearance)
but youre underestimating the importance of drive wheels. if youre up for
it, some of the best 4 wheeling youll find is back behind range 44-47 on
bragg. its a hmmwv proving ground and it has a little bit of everything you
could want. hell, i lost an atv down in a hole that took me a couple days
to get out using the winch on my jeep, the winch on my atv, and about a 1/4
mile of straps and chains. :-)
i havent been since prior to 9/11/01. after 9/11 the security policies on
bragg changed so drastically that i just didnt want to be caught back there.
since then ive talked with a few buddies on post who say that people are
wheeling out there again like it used to be so im going to try it soon. if
youre up for it you could gain a _lot_ of experience out there!
if you decide to go it alone sometime, just make _sure_ you have a gps to
find your way back and should you stumble across the delta compound (youll
know it when you see it, believe me) turn around.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
hey, i know that place! :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F58A041.B6D234E8@sympatico.ca...
> Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
hey, i know that place! :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
hey, i know that place! :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F58A041.B6D234E8@sympatico.ca...
> Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
hey, i know that place! :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you
get
> > stuck in *much* worse places."
> >
> > (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
>
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
You can say that if you want, but you havn't been stuck yet.
I don't think you can stuff 44s under a Cherokee, but that is another topic.
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you
get
> > stuck in *much* worse places."
> >
> > (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
>
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
You can say that if you want, but you havn't been stuck yet.
I don't think you can stuff 44s under a Cherokee, but that is another topic.
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:40:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
>
> I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
> good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
>
> 2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
>
> Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
>
> Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
> They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
> steering control.
>
> I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
> the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
>
> If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
> backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
> and turn to come back down front ways.
>
> I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
> 'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
> of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
Yep, and this brings us back to your last brake adventure: pulling
like mad on the e-brake and it suddenly comes all the way up as that
oft neglected cable gives up (or broke last week<g>). Sort of like
stepping on the brake pedal and feeling like you just stepped on a
ripe melon.
The rotten granite gravel of the Rocky mountains has tought me a whole
lot of new things about driving I never learned in the mud, snow or
sand - like how much fun braking on marbles can be.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
wrote:
> You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
>
> I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
> good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
>
> 2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
>
> Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
>
> Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
> They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
> steering control.
>
> I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
> the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
>
> If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
> backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
> and turn to come back down front ways.
>
> I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
> 'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
> of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
Yep, and this brings us back to your last brake adventure: pulling
like mad on the e-brake and it suddenly comes all the way up as that
oft neglected cable gives up (or broke last week<g>). Sort of like
stepping on the brake pedal and feeling like you just stepped on a
ripe melon.
The rotten granite gravel of the Rocky mountains has tought me a whole
lot of new things about driving I never learned in the mud, snow or
sand - like how much fun braking on marbles can be.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:40:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
>
> I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
> good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
>
> 2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
>
> Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
>
> Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
> They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
> steering control.
>
> I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
> the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
>
> If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
> backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
> and turn to come back down front ways.
>
> I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
> 'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
> of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
Yep, and this brings us back to your last brake adventure: pulling
like mad on the e-brake and it suddenly comes all the way up as that
oft neglected cable gives up (or broke last week<g>). Sort of like
stepping on the brake pedal and feeling like you just stepped on a
ripe melon.
The rotten granite gravel of the Rocky mountains has tought me a whole
lot of new things about driving I never learned in the mud, snow or
sand - like how much fun braking on marbles can be.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
wrote:
> You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
>
> I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
> good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
>
> 2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
>
> Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
>
> Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
> They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
> steering control.
>
> I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
> the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
>
> If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
> backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
> and turn to come back down front ways.
>
> I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
> 'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
> of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
Yep, and this brings us back to your last brake adventure: pulling
like mad on the e-brake and it suddenly comes all the way up as that
oft neglected cable gives up (or broke last week<g>). Sort of like
stepping on the brake pedal and feeling like you just stepped on a
ripe melon.
The rotten granite gravel of the Rocky mountains has tought me a whole
lot of new things about driving I never learned in the mud, snow or
sand - like how much fun braking on marbles can be.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:40:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
> > You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
> >
> > I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
> > good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
> >
> > 2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
> >
> > Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> > side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
> >
> > Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
> > They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
> > steering control.
> >
> > I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
> > the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
> >
> > If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
> > backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
> > and turn to come back down front ways.
> >
> > I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
> > 'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
> > of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
>
> Yep, and this brings us back to your last brake adventure: pulling
> like mad on the e-brake and it suddenly comes all the way up as that
> oft neglected cable gives up (or broke last week<g>). Sort of like
> stepping on the brake pedal and feeling like you just stepped on a
> ripe melon.
>
> The rotten granite gravel of the Rocky mountains has tought me a whole
> lot of new things about driving I never learned in the mud, snow or
> sand - like how much fun braking on marbles can be.
>
> --
You got it, the first time I could have used the e-brake for more than
holding it when idling and no cable. At least I knew that, so I didn't
get surprised. In gear with the key to off is a last resort.
I am sure glad the e-brake was working on the side of that mountain.
That marble stuff is nasty.
I towed a bunk trailer with no brakes on it across Vancouver Island via
logging roads and had to use my e-brake on the down hills so I could
keep steering control in a 2 wheel drive truck. Not a fun trip, even at
the 5 or 10 mph we were going. Ohh to have had a 4x4 that day too...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:40:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
> > You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
> >
> > I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
> > good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
> >
> > 2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
> >
> > Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> > side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
> >
> > Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
> > They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
> > steering control.
> >
> > I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
> > the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
> >
> > If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
> > backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
> > and turn to come back down front ways.
> >
> > I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
> > 'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
> > of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
>
> Yep, and this brings us back to your last brake adventure: pulling
> like mad on the e-brake and it suddenly comes all the way up as that
> oft neglected cable gives up (or broke last week<g>). Sort of like
> stepping on the brake pedal and feeling like you just stepped on a
> ripe melon.
>
> The rotten granite gravel of the Rocky mountains has tought me a whole
> lot of new things about driving I never learned in the mud, snow or
> sand - like how much fun braking on marbles can be.
>
> --
You got it, the first time I could have used the e-brake for more than
holding it when idling and no cable. At least I knew that, so I didn't
get surprised. In gear with the key to off is a last resort.
I am sure glad the e-brake was working on the side of that mountain.
That marble stuff is nasty.
I towed a bunk trailer with no brakes on it across Vancouver Island via
logging roads and had to use my e-brake on the down hills so I could
keep steering control in a 2 wheel drive truck. Not a fun trip, even at
the 5 or 10 mph we were going. Ohh to have had a 4x4 that day too...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:40:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
> > You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
> >
> > I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
> > good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
> >
> > 2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
> >
> > Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> > side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
> >
> > Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
> > They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
> > steering control.
> >
> > I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
> > the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
> >
> > If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
> > backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
> > and turn to come back down front ways.
> >
> > I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
> > 'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
> > of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
>
> Yep, and this brings us back to your last brake adventure: pulling
> like mad on the e-brake and it suddenly comes all the way up as that
> oft neglected cable gives up (or broke last week<g>). Sort of like
> stepping on the brake pedal and feeling like you just stepped on a
> ripe melon.
>
> The rotten granite gravel of the Rocky mountains has tought me a whole
> lot of new things about driving I never learned in the mud, snow or
> sand - like how much fun braking on marbles can be.
>
> --
You got it, the first time I could have used the e-brake for more than
holding it when idling and no cable. At least I knew that, so I didn't
get surprised. In gear with the key to off is a last resort.
I am sure glad the e-brake was working on the side of that mountain.
That marble stuff is nasty.
I towed a bunk trailer with no brakes on it across Vancouver Island via
logging roads and had to use my e-brake on the down hills so I could
keep steering control in a 2 wheel drive truck. Not a fun trip, even at
the 5 or 10 mph we were going. Ohh to have had a 4x4 that day too...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:40:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
> > You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
> >
> > I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
> > good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
> >
> > 2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
> >
> > Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
> > side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
> >
> > Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
> > They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
> > steering control.
> >
> > I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
> > the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
> >
> > If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
> > backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
> > and turn to come back down front ways.
> >
> > I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
> > 'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
> > of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
>
> Yep, and this brings us back to your last brake adventure: pulling
> like mad on the e-brake and it suddenly comes all the way up as that
> oft neglected cable gives up (or broke last week<g>). Sort of like
> stepping on the brake pedal and feeling like you just stepped on a
> ripe melon.
>
> The rotten granite gravel of the Rocky mountains has tought me a whole
> lot of new things about driving I never learned in the mud, snow or
> sand - like how much fun braking on marbles can be.
>
> --
You got it, the first time I could have used the e-brake for more than
holding it when idling and no cable. At least I knew that, so I didn't
get surprised. In gear with the key to off is a last resort.
I am sure glad the e-brake was working on the side of that mountain.
That marble stuff is nasty.
I towed a bunk trailer with no brakes on it across Vancouver Island via
logging roads and had to use my e-brake on the down hills so I could
keep steering control in a 2 wheel drive truck. Not a fun trip, even at
the 5 or 10 mph we were going. Ohh to have had a 4x4 that day too...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
Hi Dave,
Yes, eight inches of ground clearance is measured at the Dana 44
housing, if you want more clearance put bigger tires on, as most of us
have done: http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg And of course many Real
Jeeps came stock with a V6 or V8.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Real Jeeps have 8" ground clearance and 4 cylinder engines ...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
Yes, eight inches of ground clearance is measured at the Dana 44
housing, if you want more clearance put bigger tires on, as most of us
have done: http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg And of course many Real
Jeeps came stock with a V6 or V8.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Real Jeeps have 8" ground clearance and 4 cylinder engines ...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara