Superwinch = junk
#191
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
you have entirely too much time on your hands.
"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > You can tell you aren't a C++ or Java programmer or you would have
written
> >
> > Superwinch.isJunk()
>
> Yes, you're correct, but I wasn't going that far into it. I used to be an
> entry level C++ programmer before the dot-com crash. I worked in the
> Borland C++ Builder environment.
"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > You can tell you aren't a C++ or Java programmer or you would have
written
> >
> > Superwinch.isJunk()
>
> Yes, you're correct, but I wasn't going that far into it. I used to be an
> entry level C++ programmer before the dot-com crash. I worked in the
> Borland C++ Builder environment.
#192
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Re: Superwinch = junk
When I use my strap as a tree saver, I wrap the tree with it so there is
only a couple feet of strap coming away from the tree. I then use both
loops so in effect have 60,000 lb. of hold.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
>
> careful with that strap. they are no where near the strength of a tree
> saver, and all the energy that you are storing up in 20+ feet of nylon web
> is enough to do considerable damage... not to mention the ****** block/cable
> recoiling into your jeep/face/body when (and it will happen) the strap
> breaks.
>
> "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> news:4uqflvks9vv2gosj8691jisr3r50onbd6o@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:42:13 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly
> strap
> > >>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to
> the
> > >>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
> > >>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more
> pullies
> > >>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move
> the
> > >>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
> > >>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because
> even
> > >>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000
> pounds,
> > >>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
> > >>
> > >>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies
> and
> > >>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single
> pulley,
> > >>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting
> your
> > >>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
> >
> > Clarification on what Jeff said....
> > Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is
> the short
> > strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put
> it around
> > the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach
> the winch
> > hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the
> tree saver
> > and run the winch cable thru that.
> >
> > If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into
> the
> > cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually
> kill it.
> > It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the
> tree too.
> >
> > In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by
> wrapping it
> > around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
> >
> > >>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree,
> then
> > >>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As
> you
> > >>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the
> load,
> > >>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to
> calculate
> > >>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think
> you
> > >>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
> > >>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can
> find
> > >>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
> > >>
> > >>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
> > >>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or
> mount
> > >>it on the vehicle itself.
> > >>
> > >>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
> > >>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody
> that
> > >>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound
> capacity.
> > >>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a
> few
> > >>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are
> going to
> > >>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
> > >>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the
> vast
> > >>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
> > >>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this
> is
> > >>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch
> capacity
> > >>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the
> cable
> > >>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
> > >>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only
> 10
> > >>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000
> pounds,
> > >>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so
> you
> > >>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
> > >>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so
> the
> > >>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on
> the
> > >>spool.
> > >>
> >
only a couple feet of strap coming away from the tree. I then use both
loops so in effect have 60,000 lb. of hold.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
>
> careful with that strap. they are no where near the strength of a tree
> saver, and all the energy that you are storing up in 20+ feet of nylon web
> is enough to do considerable damage... not to mention the ****** block/cable
> recoiling into your jeep/face/body when (and it will happen) the strap
> breaks.
>
> "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> news:4uqflvks9vv2gosj8691jisr3r50onbd6o@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:42:13 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly
> strap
> > >>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to
> the
> > >>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
> > >>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more
> pullies
> > >>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move
> the
> > >>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
> > >>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because
> even
> > >>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000
> pounds,
> > >>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
> > >>
> > >>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies
> and
> > >>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single
> pulley,
> > >>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting
> your
> > >>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
> >
> > Clarification on what Jeff said....
> > Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is
> the short
> > strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put
> it around
> > the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach
> the winch
> > hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the
> tree saver
> > and run the winch cable thru that.
> >
> > If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into
> the
> > cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually
> kill it.
> > It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the
> tree too.
> >
> > In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by
> wrapping it
> > around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
> >
> > >>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree,
> then
> > >>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As
> you
> > >>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the
> load,
> > >>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to
> calculate
> > >>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think
> you
> > >>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
> > >>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can
> find
> > >>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
> > >>
> > >>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
> > >>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or
> mount
> > >>it on the vehicle itself.
> > >>
> > >>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
> > >>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody
> that
> > >>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound
> capacity.
> > >>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a
> few
> > >>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are
> going to
> > >>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
> > >>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the
> vast
> > >>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
> > >>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this
> is
> > >>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch
> capacity
> > >>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the
> cable
> > >>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
> > >>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only
> 10
> > >>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000
> pounds,
> > >>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so
> you
> > >>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
> > >>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so
> the
> > >>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on
> the
> > >>spool.
> > >>
> >
#193
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Re: Superwinch = junk
When I use my strap as a tree saver, I wrap the tree with it so there is
only a couple feet of strap coming away from the tree. I then use both
loops so in effect have 60,000 lb. of hold.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
>
> careful with that strap. they are no where near the strength of a tree
> saver, and all the energy that you are storing up in 20+ feet of nylon web
> is enough to do considerable damage... not to mention the ****** block/cable
> recoiling into your jeep/face/body when (and it will happen) the strap
> breaks.
>
> "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> news:4uqflvks9vv2gosj8691jisr3r50onbd6o@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:42:13 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly
> strap
> > >>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to
> the
> > >>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
> > >>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more
> pullies
> > >>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move
> the
> > >>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
> > >>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because
> even
> > >>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000
> pounds,
> > >>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
> > >>
> > >>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies
> and
> > >>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single
> pulley,
> > >>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting
> your
> > >>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
> >
> > Clarification on what Jeff said....
> > Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is
> the short
> > strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put
> it around
> > the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach
> the winch
> > hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the
> tree saver
> > and run the winch cable thru that.
> >
> > If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into
> the
> > cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually
> kill it.
> > It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the
> tree too.
> >
> > In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by
> wrapping it
> > around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
> >
> > >>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree,
> then
> > >>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As
> you
> > >>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the
> load,
> > >>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to
> calculate
> > >>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think
> you
> > >>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
> > >>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can
> find
> > >>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
> > >>
> > >>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
> > >>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or
> mount
> > >>it on the vehicle itself.
> > >>
> > >>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
> > >>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody
> that
> > >>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound
> capacity.
> > >>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a
> few
> > >>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are
> going to
> > >>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
> > >>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the
> vast
> > >>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
> > >>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this
> is
> > >>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch
> capacity
> > >>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the
> cable
> > >>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
> > >>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only
> 10
> > >>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000
> pounds,
> > >>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so
> you
> > >>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
> > >>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so
> the
> > >>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on
> the
> > >>spool.
> > >>
> >
only a couple feet of strap coming away from the tree. I then use both
loops so in effect have 60,000 lb. of hold.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
>
> careful with that strap. they are no where near the strength of a tree
> saver, and all the energy that you are storing up in 20+ feet of nylon web
> is enough to do considerable damage... not to mention the ****** block/cable
> recoiling into your jeep/face/body when (and it will happen) the strap
> breaks.
>
> "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> news:4uqflvks9vv2gosj8691jisr3r50onbd6o@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:42:13 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly
> strap
> > >>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to
> the
> > >>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
> > >>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more
> pullies
> > >>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move
> the
> > >>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
> > >>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because
> even
> > >>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000
> pounds,
> > >>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
> > >>
> > >>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies
> and
> > >>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single
> pulley,
> > >>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting
> your
> > >>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
> >
> > Clarification on what Jeff said....
> > Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is
> the short
> > strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put
> it around
> > the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach
> the winch
> > hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the
> tree saver
> > and run the winch cable thru that.
> >
> > If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into
> the
> > cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually
> kill it.
> > It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the
> tree too.
> >
> > In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by
> wrapping it
> > around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
> >
> > >>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree,
> then
> > >>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As
> you
> > >>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the
> load,
> > >>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to
> calculate
> > >>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think
> you
> > >>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
> > >>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can
> find
> > >>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
> > >>
> > >>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
> > >>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or
> mount
> > >>it on the vehicle itself.
> > >>
> > >>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
> > >>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody
> that
> > >>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound
> capacity.
> > >>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a
> few
> > >>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are
> going to
> > >>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
> > >>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the
> vast
> > >>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
> > >>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this
> is
> > >>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch
> capacity
> > >>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the
> cable
> > >>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
> > >>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only
> 10
> > >>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000
> pounds,
> > >>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so
> you
> > >>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
> > >>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so
> the
> > >>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on
> the
> > >>spool.
> > >>
> >
#194
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
sadly, so have a lot of competent software engineers now..
I guess being worked off my feet has some advantages !
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Q_n6b.6517$cQ1.1855443@kent.svc.tds.net...
: you have entirely too much time on your hands.
:
: "Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
: news:3f59d580$0$52140$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
: > Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > > You can tell you aren't a C++ or Java programmer or you would have
: written
: > >
: > > Superwinch.isJunk()
: >
: > Yes, you're correct, but I wasn't going that far into it. I used to be
an
: > entry level C++ programmer before the dot-com crash. I worked in the
: > Borland C++ Builder environment.
:
:
I guess being worked off my feet has some advantages !
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Q_n6b.6517$cQ1.1855443@kent.svc.tds.net...
: you have entirely too much time on your hands.
:
: "Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
: news:3f59d580$0$52140$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
: > Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > > You can tell you aren't a C++ or Java programmer or you would have
: written
: > >
: > > Superwinch.isJunk()
: >
: > Yes, you're correct, but I wasn't going that far into it. I used to be
an
: > entry level C++ programmer before the dot-com crash. I worked in the
: > Borland C++ Builder environment.
:
:
#195
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
sadly, so have a lot of competent software engineers now..
I guess being worked off my feet has some advantages !
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Q_n6b.6517$cQ1.1855443@kent.svc.tds.net...
: you have entirely too much time on your hands.
:
: "Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
: news:3f59d580$0$52140$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
: > Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > > You can tell you aren't a C++ or Java programmer or you would have
: written
: > >
: > > Superwinch.isJunk()
: >
: > Yes, you're correct, but I wasn't going that far into it. I used to be
an
: > entry level C++ programmer before the dot-com crash. I worked in the
: > Borland C++ Builder environment.
:
:
I guess being worked off my feet has some advantages !
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Q_n6b.6517$cQ1.1855443@kent.svc.tds.net...
: you have entirely too much time on your hands.
:
: "Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
: news:3f59d580$0$52140$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
: > Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > > You can tell you aren't a C++ or Java programmer or you would have
: written
: > >
: > > Superwinch.isJunk()
: >
: > Yes, you're correct, but I wasn't going that far into it. I used to be
an
: > entry level C++ programmer before the dot-com crash. I worked in the
: > Borland C++ Builder environment.
:
:
#196
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
Joshua Nelson wrote:
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
>>stuck in *much* worse places."
>>
>>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
>
>
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance.
Really? Some of the steepest, toughest hills I've mastered had no
rocks, but plenty of loose dirt.
> For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires.
I wonder what the hell I got those axles, lockers, and wheels for my
Jeep for, then.
Attention rock crawlers! You no longer need all that expensive stuff, or
even 4 wheel drive!
Josh, what brand of 44 inch tires do you recommend? I want the benefit
of your vast experience.
The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
Do you have a special kind of differential or axle that sits higher than
the fuel tank?
Also, how long have you had this special talent that allows you to emit
vocalizations from your lower intestine?
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
>>stuck in *much* worse places."
>>
>>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
>
>
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance.
Really? Some of the steepest, toughest hills I've mastered had no
rocks, but plenty of loose dirt.
> For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires.
I wonder what the hell I got those axles, lockers, and wheels for my
Jeep for, then.
Attention rock crawlers! You no longer need all that expensive stuff, or
even 4 wheel drive!
Josh, what brand of 44 inch tires do you recommend? I want the benefit
of your vast experience.
The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
Do you have a special kind of differential or axle that sits higher than
the fuel tank?
Also, how long have you had this special talent that allows you to emit
vocalizations from your lower intestine?
#197
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
Joshua Nelson wrote:
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
>>stuck in *much* worse places."
>>
>>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
>
>
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance.
Really? Some of the steepest, toughest hills I've mastered had no
rocks, but plenty of loose dirt.
> For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires.
I wonder what the hell I got those axles, lockers, and wheels for my
Jeep for, then.
Attention rock crawlers! You no longer need all that expensive stuff, or
even 4 wheel drive!
Josh, what brand of 44 inch tires do you recommend? I want the benefit
of your vast experience.
The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
Do you have a special kind of differential or axle that sits higher than
the fuel tank?
Also, how long have you had this special talent that allows you to emit
vocalizations from your lower intestine?
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
>>stuck in *much* worse places."
>>
>>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
>
>
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance.
Really? Some of the steepest, toughest hills I've mastered had no
rocks, but plenty of loose dirt.
> For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires.
I wonder what the hell I got those axles, lockers, and wheels for my
Jeep for, then.
Attention rock crawlers! You no longer need all that expensive stuff, or
even 4 wheel drive!
Josh, what brand of 44 inch tires do you recommend? I want the benefit
of your vast experience.
The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
Do you have a special kind of differential or axle that sits higher than
the fuel tank?
Also, how long have you had this special talent that allows you to emit
vocalizations from your lower intestine?
#198
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Superwinch = junk
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>>And do pay attention to
>>the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
My forehead hurts from slapping it so many times after reading your posts.
>>And do pay attention to
>>the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
My forehead hurts from slapping it so many times after reading your posts.
#199
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Superwinch = junk
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>>And do pay attention to
>>the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
My forehead hurts from slapping it so many times after reading your posts.
>>And do pay attention to
>>the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
My forehead hurts from slapping it so many times after reading your posts.
#200
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Superwinch <> junk
Dork! ;-P
<jk, jenn... :-)>
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:7eeilv4eo2bev0fbr4k8klbmaks40hmnoq@4ax.com...
> Geek!
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:32:15 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>Fortran IV, Pascal, Cobol, BASIC... Old stuff... :)
> >>
> >>"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >>news:3f59171d$0$52134$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net.. .
> >>> You can tell you must be a BASIC and not a C, C++, or Java programmer
or
> >>the
> >>> syntax would be Superwinch != junk.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
<jk, jenn... :-)>
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:7eeilv4eo2bev0fbr4k8klbmaks40hmnoq@4ax.com...
> Geek!
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:32:15 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>Fortran IV, Pascal, Cobol, BASIC... Old stuff... :)
> >>
> >>"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >>news:3f59171d$0$52134$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net.. .
> >>> You can tell you must be a BASIC and not a C, C++, or Java programmer
or
> >>the
> >>> syntax would be Superwinch != junk.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>