Superwinch = junk
#141
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Re: Superwinch = junk
You must not be married!
(do your own) Wash
Iron (it yourself)
---- (off if you think I'M doing your wash and ironing)
(let's) Eat (out)
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
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>
> Which reminds me, the word "wife" is actually and acronym for:
>
> Wash
> Iron
> ----
> Etc.
>
> Chris
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
> > Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
> > "Here, ironies!"
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> > > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> > > :
> > > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> > > :
> > > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> > > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > Idiot.
> > > : > : >
> > > : > :
> > > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
> > > sticks to
> > > : > you.
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
(do your own) Wash
Iron (it yourself)
---- (off if you think I'M doing your wash and ironing)
(let's) Eat (out)
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:gWT5b.36137$hf1.13651@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> Which reminds me, the word "wife" is actually and acronym for:
>
> Wash
> Iron
> ----
> Etc.
>
> Chris
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
> > Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
> > "Here, ironies!"
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> > > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> > > :
> > > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> > > :
> > > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> > > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > Idiot.
> > > : > : >
> > > : > :
> > > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
> > > sticks to
> > > : > you.
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#142
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Re: Superwinch = junk
In article <b102b6e4.0309041040.385d6c06@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>> And do pay attention to
>> the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
>Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
>certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case.
You really are a skeptic, aren't you...
It
>would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
>speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
>smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
>winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
You are using the rear wheel sprockets as an example, which is incorrect...by
your example, it would be harder to pull the cable OUT the fewer the wraps on
the drum, but it's the opposite when you are reeling the cable IN. Think more
in terms of the front derailleur, which is the one doing the work...there's
less torque needed when the chain is on the SMALLER of the sprockets.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>> And do pay attention to
>> the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
>Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
>certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case.
You really are a skeptic, aren't you...
It
>would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
>speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
>smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
>winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
You are using the rear wheel sprockets as an example, which is incorrect...by
your example, it would be harder to pull the cable OUT the fewer the wraps on
the drum, but it's the opposite when you are reeling the cable IN. Think more
in terms of the front derailleur, which is the one doing the work...there's
less torque needed when the chain is on the SMALLER of the sprockets.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
#143
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Re: Superwinch = junk
In article <b102b6e4.0309041040.385d6c06@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>> And do pay attention to
>> the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
>Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
>certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case.
You really are a skeptic, aren't you...
It
>would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
>speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
>smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
>winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
You are using the rear wheel sprockets as an example, which is incorrect...by
your example, it would be harder to pull the cable OUT the fewer the wraps on
the drum, but it's the opposite when you are reeling the cable IN. Think more
in terms of the front derailleur, which is the one doing the work...there's
less torque needed when the chain is on the SMALLER of the sprockets.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>> And do pay attention to
>> the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
>Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
>certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case.
You really are a skeptic, aren't you...
It
>would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
>speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
>smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
>winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
You are using the rear wheel sprockets as an example, which is incorrect...by
your example, it would be harder to pull the cable OUT the fewer the wraps on
the drum, but it's the opposite when you are reeling the cable IN. Think more
in terms of the front derailleur, which is the one doing the work...there's
less torque needed when the chain is on the SMALLER of the sprockets.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
#144
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Re: Superwinch = junk
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:55:43 GMT, "DougW"
> In fact unless it is a super short pull (10-20 feet) I would always
> want something over the cable. What a towel or jacket (or floor mat)
> over the cable does when it breaks (someone correct me if I am wrong)
> is help to dampen out the whipping of the line so that it doesn't go
> so fast or so far or so long when it snaps under strain.
>
> Also, all spectators should be off to the sides and behind the Jeeps.
> If a cable breaks, that pretty much puts them out of reach of it.
> The only people around the Jeeps should be the driver of the stuck
> rig and the driver of the winch rig. Everyone else should be out of
> the rigs and off out of the "danger zone". While I have never seen a
> cable or a winch rope snap, I know it does happen and I don't want to
> be there when one does - especially not up close!!!
Great advice. All of it. But even with a short pull, I would put something
over the cable. You might be out of reach (or are you???), but why risk the
damage to your rig that a snapped cable might cause.
I do know of a wrecker driver who was trying to get a wrecked car out of a
ditch. His cable broke, and he was cut in two.
Also, make sure you inspect the cable, and replace it if it starts fraying.
Those two steps will do a world of wonder in turning a fun trip into a fun a
safe trip.
#145
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Re: Superwinch = junk
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:55:43 GMT, "DougW"
> In fact unless it is a super short pull (10-20 feet) I would always
> want something over the cable. What a towel or jacket (or floor mat)
> over the cable does when it breaks (someone correct me if I am wrong)
> is help to dampen out the whipping of the line so that it doesn't go
> so fast or so far or so long when it snaps under strain.
>
> Also, all spectators should be off to the sides and behind the Jeeps.
> If a cable breaks, that pretty much puts them out of reach of it.
> The only people around the Jeeps should be the driver of the stuck
> rig and the driver of the winch rig. Everyone else should be out of
> the rigs and off out of the "danger zone". While I have never seen a
> cable or a winch rope snap, I know it does happen and I don't want to
> be there when one does - especially not up close!!!
Great advice. All of it. But even with a short pull, I would put something
over the cable. You might be out of reach (or are you???), but why risk the
damage to your rig that a snapped cable might cause.
I do know of a wrecker driver who was trying to get a wrecked car out of a
ditch. His cable broke, and he was cut in two.
Also, make sure you inspect the cable, and replace it if it starts fraying.
Those two steps will do a world of wonder in turning a fun trip into a fun a
safe trip.
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
> "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
> stuck in *much* worse places."
>
> (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
> "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
> stuck in *much* worse places."
>
> (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
#147
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
> "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
> stuck in *much* worse places."
>
> (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
> "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
> stuck in *much* worse places."
>
> (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
#148
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
> > stuck in *much* worse places."
> >
> > (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
steering control.
I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
and turn to come back down front ways.
I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
> > stuck in *much* worse places."
> >
> > (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
steering control.
I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
and turn to come back down front ways.
I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#149
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
> > stuck in *much* worse places."
> >
> > (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
steering control.
I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
and turn to come back down front ways.
I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > "Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
> > stuck in *much* worse places."
> >
> > (The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>
> You must be a "mudder." I can see where this would be the case with
> mud. But with hill climbing its much less of a factor where the
> problem is not "sticking" but clearance. For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires. The only time you're going to get
> stuck is when your fuel tank hangs up on a big rock!
You have lots to learn about 4 wheel drive sir.
I have had my share of 2 wheel drive vehicles with lots of clearance and
good big tires and give me a stock 4x4 'any' day for climbing hills.
2 wheel drive just doesn't cut it.
Nothing like 'not' being able to continue on up a 2 track cut into the
side of a mountain with a 1000' drop on the side.
Couldn't even back down because I had no control over the front wheels.
They just wanted to lock up and roll along on the gravel. Instant no
steering control.
I had to use the emergency brake so I had steering to avoid slipping off
the cliff. E-brakes don't grab for ---- in reverse either.
If I had 4x4, then I could have used low range to keep the steering when
backing up or even better, 4x4 would have allowed me to get to the top
and turn to come back down front ways.
I will tell you, that was one hairy couple hours that ended our
'exploring the BC mountains' days in a 2 wheel drive truck and was one
of the main reasons my wife bought us a CJ7.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires.
hi joshua,
i see where youre going with this (stressing the importance of clearance)
but youre underestimating the importance of drive wheels. if youre up for
it, some of the best 4 wheeling youll find is back behind range 44-47 on
bragg. its a hmmwv proving ground and it has a little bit of everything you
could want. hell, i lost an atv down in a hole that took me a couple days
to get out using the winch on my jeep, the winch on my atv, and about a 1/4
mile of straps and chains. :-)
i havent been since prior to 9/11/01. after 9/11 the security policies on
bragg changed so drastically that i just didnt want to be caught back there.
since then ive talked with a few buddies on post who say that people are
wheeling out there again like it used to be so im going to try it soon. if
youre up for it you could gain a _lot_ of experience out there!
if you decide to go it alone sometime, just make _sure_ you have a gps to
find your way back and should you stumble across the delta compound (youll
know it when you see it, believe me) turn around.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:b102b6e4.0309050612.77855384@posting.google.c om...
> For most rock climbing I
> would rather have a 2wd Cherokee sitting on 44 inch tires than a 4wd
> TJ with lockers on stock tires.
hi joshua,
i see where youre going with this (stressing the importance of clearance)
but youre underestimating the importance of drive wheels. if youre up for
it, some of the best 4 wheeling youll find is back behind range 44-47 on
bragg. its a hmmwv proving ground and it has a little bit of everything you
could want. hell, i lost an atv down in a hole that took me a couple days
to get out using the winch on my jeep, the winch on my atv, and about a 1/4
mile of straps and chains. :-)
i havent been since prior to 9/11/01. after 9/11 the security policies on
bragg changed so drastically that i just didnt want to be caught back there.
since then ive talked with a few buddies on post who say that people are
wheeling out there again like it used to be so im going to try it soon. if
youre up for it you could gain a _lot_ of experience out there!
if you decide to go it alone sometime, just make _sure_ you have a gps to
find your way back and should you stumble across the delta compound (youll
know it when you see it, believe me) turn around.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com