question on jeep dealer refusing service.
#171
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
In article <Vcngc.16958$0b4.23543@attbi_s51>, Kevin <Kevin@el.net> wrote:
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>
> Walk in with a printout showing true dealer cost from edmunds.com .
>Then you are in the drivers seat. The salesman hate that.
>
Bull. The salesman loves it. The sales managers hate it because it's clearly
known that the saleman has no control over the managers price until this
happens. Instant TO to either get what you want or you don't waste yours or
anybody elses time... That's the way to do it.
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<yawn deleted>
>
> Walk in with a printout showing true dealer cost from edmunds.com .
>Then you are in the drivers seat. The salesman hate that.
>
Bull. The salesman loves it. The sales managers hate it because it's clearly
known that the saleman has no control over the managers price until this
happens. Instant TO to either get what you want or you don't waste yours or
anybody elses time... That's the way to do it.
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#172
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
In article <Vcngc.16958$0b4.23543@attbi_s51>, Kevin <Kevin@el.net> wrote:
<yawn deleted>
>
> Walk in with a printout showing true dealer cost from edmunds.com .
>Then you are in the drivers seat. The salesman hate that.
>
Bull. The salesman loves it. The sales managers hate it because it's clearly
known that the saleman has no control over the managers price until this
happens. Instant TO to either get what you want or you don't waste yours or
anybody elses time... That's the way to do it.
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<yawn deleted>
>
> Walk in with a printout showing true dealer cost from edmunds.com .
>Then you are in the drivers seat. The salesman hate that.
>
Bull. The salesman loves it. The sales managers hate it because it's clearly
known that the saleman has no control over the managers price until this
happens. Instant TO to either get what you want or you don't waste yours or
anybody elses time... That's the way to do it.
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
In article <Vcngc.16958$0b4.23543@attbi_s51>, Kevin <Kevin@el.net> wrote:
<yawn deleted>
>
> Walk in with a printout showing true dealer cost from edmunds.com .
>Then you are in the drivers seat. The salesman hate that.
>
Bull. The salesman loves it. The sales managers hate it because it's clearly
known that the saleman has no control over the managers price until this
happens. Instant TO to either get what you want or you don't waste yours or
anybody elses time... That's the way to do it.
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<yawn deleted>
>
> Walk in with a printout showing true dealer cost from edmunds.com .
>Then you are in the drivers seat. The salesman hate that.
>
Bull. The salesman loves it. The sales managers hate it because it's clearly
known that the saleman has no control over the managers price until this
happens. Instant TO to either get what you want or you don't waste yours or
anybody elses time... That's the way to do it.
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#174
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-) Guys
who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
professional.
There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the high
pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a straight
commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and bad
attitudes.
Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
putting the customer at ease.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in the
> Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
>
> Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
>
> You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
salesmen!
> Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for the
> vehicle.
>
> sb
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > Bob,
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
> > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> well,
> > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying process.
> If
> > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> make
> > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers HAVE
> FUN
> > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> >
> > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car salesman,
> > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation because
> of
> > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
attitude.
> > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
time".
> >
> > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
dealers.
> I
> > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> >
> > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don't view
> > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
etc.....
> > > >It's not.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
professional.
There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the high
pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a straight
commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and bad
attitudes.
Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
putting the customer at ease.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in the
> Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
>
> Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
>
> You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
salesmen!
> Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for the
> vehicle.
>
> sb
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > Bob,
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
> > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> well,
> > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying process.
> If
> > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> make
> > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers HAVE
> FUN
> > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> >
> > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car salesman,
> > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation because
> of
> > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
attitude.
> > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
time".
> >
> > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
dealers.
> I
> > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> >
> > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don't view
> > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
etc.....
> > > >It's not.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
#175
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-) Guys
who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
professional.
There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the high
pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a straight
commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and bad
attitudes.
Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
putting the customer at ease.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in the
> Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
>
> Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
>
> You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
salesmen!
> Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for the
> vehicle.
>
> sb
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > Bob,
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
> > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> well,
> > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying process.
> If
> > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> make
> > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers HAVE
> FUN
> > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> >
> > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car salesman,
> > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation because
> of
> > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
attitude.
> > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
time".
> >
> > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
dealers.
> I
> > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> >
> > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don't view
> > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
etc.....
> > > >It's not.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
professional.
There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the high
pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a straight
commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and bad
attitudes.
Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
putting the customer at ease.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in the
> Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
>
> Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
>
> You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
salesmen!
> Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for the
> vehicle.
>
> sb
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > Bob,
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
> > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> well,
> > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying process.
> If
> > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> make
> > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers HAVE
> FUN
> > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> >
> > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car salesman,
> > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation because
> of
> > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
attitude.
> > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
time".
> >
> > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
dealers.
> I
> > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> >
> > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don't view
> > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
etc.....
> > > >It's not.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
#176
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-) Guys
who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
professional.
There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the high
pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a straight
commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and bad
attitudes.
Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
putting the customer at ease.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in the
> Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
>
> Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
>
> You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
salesmen!
> Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for the
> vehicle.
>
> sb
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > Bob,
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
> > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> well,
> > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying process.
> If
> > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> make
> > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers HAVE
> FUN
> > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> >
> > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car salesman,
> > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation because
> of
> > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
attitude.
> > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
time".
> >
> > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
dealers.
> I
> > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> >
> > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don't view
> > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
etc.....
> > > >It's not.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
professional.
There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the high
pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a straight
commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and bad
attitudes.
Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
putting the customer at ease.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in the
> Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
>
> Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
>
> You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
salesmen!
> Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for the
> vehicle.
>
> sb
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > Bob,
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
> > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> well,
> > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying process.
> If
> > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> make
> > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers HAVE
> FUN
> > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> >
> > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car salesman,
> > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation because
> of
> > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
attitude.
> > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
time".
> >
> > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
dealers.
> I
> > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> >
> > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don't view
> > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
etc.....
> > > >It's not.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
#177
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-) Guys
who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
professional.
There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the high
pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a straight
commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and bad
attitudes.
Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
putting the customer at ease.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in the
> Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
>
> Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
>
> You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
salesmen!
> Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for the
> vehicle.
>
> sb
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > Bob,
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
> > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> well,
> > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying process.
> If
> > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> make
> > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers HAVE
> FUN
> > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> >
> > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car salesman,
> > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation because
> of
> > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
attitude.
> > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
time".
> >
> > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
dealers.
> I
> > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> >
> > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don't view
> > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
etc.....
> > > >It's not.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
professional.
There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the high
pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a straight
commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and bad
attitudes.
Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
putting the customer at ease.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in the
> Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
>
> Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
>
> You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
salesmen!
> Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for the
> vehicle.
>
> sb
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > Bob,
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
> > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> well,
> > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying process.
> If
> > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> make
> > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers HAVE
> FUN
> > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> >
> > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car salesman,
> > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation because
> of
> > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
attitude.
> > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
time".
> >
> > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
dealers.
> I
> > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> >
> > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don't view
> > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
etc.....
> > > >It's not.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
#178
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
And if you try to put a customer at ease....the neurotic ones just start
thinking you're trying to butter them up for the kill!!
I suppose it's any type of comission sales job (real estate/etc.) that would
do it.
If you're good at it you'll do good....but I've dealt with more pushy real
estate agents than car dealers.
The horrible part is when you get a salesperson that doesn't understand what
NO is.
Sure there are hesitant shoppers....and some do fall for coersion....but
there is beating a sale out of a person too (borderline harassment!).
I remember (don't mean to run on with this) walking in to a furniture
store - ya a furniture store! - and I SWEAR, every single salesperson in
that place (12 or so) locked eyes with me and you could see them circling
like sharks man. They would approach and I'd go the other way....they'd try
to cut me off and I'd squeeze between some tables to go the other....
then I'd put a dirty look on my face and try to fend them off with my shear
will power (and the look of constipation) and althought they backed off...I
think it was the Alpha's that still approached and sniffed me out!
I'm still traumatized over that!! haha
And because of the sleaze feeling I got, I left with only time lost and no
furniture bought!!
OH, it's like going to a club and you watch the hot chick come in....every
single guy stares her down and drools....funny stuff!!
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:5eqdnXEd9dXcPR_dRVn-sQ@bresnan.com...
> Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-)
Guys
> who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
> about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
> professional.
>
> There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the
high
> pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a
straight
> commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
> cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
> the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
> very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and
bad
> attitudes.
>
> Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
> attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
> putting the customer at ease.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> > A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in
the
> > Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
> >
> > Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
> >
> > You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
> salesmen!
> > Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for
the
> > vehicle.
> >
> > sb
> > "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> > news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
> of
> > > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> > doing
> > > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
> merely
> > > wait for advertised specials.
> > >
> > > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> > well,
> > > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying
process.
> > If
> > > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> > make
> > > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers
HAVE
> > FUN
> > > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> > >
> > > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car
salesman,
> > > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation
because
> > of
> > > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
> attitude.
> > > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
> time".
> > >
> > > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
> dealers.
> > I
> > > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> > >
> > > Think about it.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dave Rose
> > > Cactus Cowboy
> > > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > > '98 XJ Sport
> > > O|||||||O
> > >
> > > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Don't view
> > > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
> etc.....
> > > > >It's not.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
thinking you're trying to butter them up for the kill!!
I suppose it's any type of comission sales job (real estate/etc.) that would
do it.
If you're good at it you'll do good....but I've dealt with more pushy real
estate agents than car dealers.
The horrible part is when you get a salesperson that doesn't understand what
NO is.
Sure there are hesitant shoppers....and some do fall for coersion....but
there is beating a sale out of a person too (borderline harassment!).
I remember (don't mean to run on with this) walking in to a furniture
store - ya a furniture store! - and I SWEAR, every single salesperson in
that place (12 or so) locked eyes with me and you could see them circling
like sharks man. They would approach and I'd go the other way....they'd try
to cut me off and I'd squeeze between some tables to go the other....
then I'd put a dirty look on my face and try to fend them off with my shear
will power (and the look of constipation) and althought they backed off...I
think it was the Alpha's that still approached and sniffed me out!
I'm still traumatized over that!! haha
And because of the sleaze feeling I got, I left with only time lost and no
furniture bought!!
OH, it's like going to a club and you watch the hot chick come in....every
single guy stares her down and drools....funny stuff!!
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:5eqdnXEd9dXcPR_dRVn-sQ@bresnan.com...
> Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-)
Guys
> who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
> about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
> professional.
>
> There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the
high
> pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a
straight
> commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
> cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
> the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
> very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and
bad
> attitudes.
>
> Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
> attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
> putting the customer at ease.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> > A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in
the
> > Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
> >
> > Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
> >
> > You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
> salesmen!
> > Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for
the
> > vehicle.
> >
> > sb
> > "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> > news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
> of
> > > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> > doing
> > > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
> merely
> > > wait for advertised specials.
> > >
> > > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> > well,
> > > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying
process.
> > If
> > > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> > make
> > > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers
HAVE
> > FUN
> > > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> > >
> > > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car
salesman,
> > > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation
because
> > of
> > > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
> attitude.
> > > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
> time".
> > >
> > > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
> dealers.
> > I
> > > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> > >
> > > Think about it.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dave Rose
> > > Cactus Cowboy
> > > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > > '98 XJ Sport
> > > O|||||||O
> > >
> > > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Don't view
> > > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
> etc.....
> > > > >It's not.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#179
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
And if you try to put a customer at ease....the neurotic ones just start
thinking you're trying to butter them up for the kill!!
I suppose it's any type of comission sales job (real estate/etc.) that would
do it.
If you're good at it you'll do good....but I've dealt with more pushy real
estate agents than car dealers.
The horrible part is when you get a salesperson that doesn't understand what
NO is.
Sure there are hesitant shoppers....and some do fall for coersion....but
there is beating a sale out of a person too (borderline harassment!).
I remember (don't mean to run on with this) walking in to a furniture
store - ya a furniture store! - and I SWEAR, every single salesperson in
that place (12 or so) locked eyes with me and you could see them circling
like sharks man. They would approach and I'd go the other way....they'd try
to cut me off and I'd squeeze between some tables to go the other....
then I'd put a dirty look on my face and try to fend them off with my shear
will power (and the look of constipation) and althought they backed off...I
think it was the Alpha's that still approached and sniffed me out!
I'm still traumatized over that!! haha
And because of the sleaze feeling I got, I left with only time lost and no
furniture bought!!
OH, it's like going to a club and you watch the hot chick come in....every
single guy stares her down and drools....funny stuff!!
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:5eqdnXEd9dXcPR_dRVn-sQ@bresnan.com...
> Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-)
Guys
> who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
> about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
> professional.
>
> There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the
high
> pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a
straight
> commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
> cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
> the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
> very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and
bad
> attitudes.
>
> Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
> attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
> putting the customer at ease.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> > A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in
the
> > Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
> >
> > Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
> >
> > You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
> salesmen!
> > Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for
the
> > vehicle.
> >
> > sb
> > "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> > news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
> of
> > > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> > doing
> > > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
> merely
> > > wait for advertised specials.
> > >
> > > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> > well,
> > > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying
process.
> > If
> > > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> > make
> > > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers
HAVE
> > FUN
> > > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> > >
> > > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car
salesman,
> > > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation
because
> > of
> > > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
> attitude.
> > > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
> time".
> > >
> > > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
> dealers.
> > I
> > > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> > >
> > > Think about it.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dave Rose
> > > Cactus Cowboy
> > > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > > '98 XJ Sport
> > > O|||||||O
> > >
> > > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Don't view
> > > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
> etc.....
> > > > >It's not.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
thinking you're trying to butter them up for the kill!!
I suppose it's any type of comission sales job (real estate/etc.) that would
do it.
If you're good at it you'll do good....but I've dealt with more pushy real
estate agents than car dealers.
The horrible part is when you get a salesperson that doesn't understand what
NO is.
Sure there are hesitant shoppers....and some do fall for coersion....but
there is beating a sale out of a person too (borderline harassment!).
I remember (don't mean to run on with this) walking in to a furniture
store - ya a furniture store! - and I SWEAR, every single salesperson in
that place (12 or so) locked eyes with me and you could see them circling
like sharks man. They would approach and I'd go the other way....they'd try
to cut me off and I'd squeeze between some tables to go the other....
then I'd put a dirty look on my face and try to fend them off with my shear
will power (and the look of constipation) and althought they backed off...I
think it was the Alpha's that still approached and sniffed me out!
I'm still traumatized over that!! haha
And because of the sleaze feeling I got, I left with only time lost and no
furniture bought!!
OH, it's like going to a club and you watch the hot chick come in....every
single guy stares her down and drools....funny stuff!!
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:5eqdnXEd9dXcPR_dRVn-sQ@bresnan.com...
> Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-)
Guys
> who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
> about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
> professional.
>
> There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the
high
> pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a
straight
> commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
> cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
> the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
> very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and
bad
> attitudes.
>
> Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
> attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
> putting the customer at ease.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> > A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in
the
> > Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
> >
> > Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
> >
> > You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
> salesmen!
> > Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for
the
> > vehicle.
> >
> > sb
> > "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> > news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
> of
> > > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> > doing
> > > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
> merely
> > > wait for advertised specials.
> > >
> > > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> > well,
> > > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying
process.
> > If
> > > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> > make
> > > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers
HAVE
> > FUN
> > > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> > >
> > > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car
salesman,
> > > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation
because
> > of
> > > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
> attitude.
> > > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
> time".
> > >
> > > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
> dealers.
> > I
> > > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> > >
> > > Think about it.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dave Rose
> > > Cactus Cowboy
> > > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > > '98 XJ Sport
> > > O|||||||O
> > >
> > > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Don't view
> > > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
> etc.....
> > > > >It's not.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
And if you try to put a customer at ease....the neurotic ones just start
thinking you're trying to butter them up for the kill!!
I suppose it's any type of comission sales job (real estate/etc.) that would
do it.
If you're good at it you'll do good....but I've dealt with more pushy real
estate agents than car dealers.
The horrible part is when you get a salesperson that doesn't understand what
NO is.
Sure there are hesitant shoppers....and some do fall for coersion....but
there is beating a sale out of a person too (borderline harassment!).
I remember (don't mean to run on with this) walking in to a furniture
store - ya a furniture store! - and I SWEAR, every single salesperson in
that place (12 or so) locked eyes with me and you could see them circling
like sharks man. They would approach and I'd go the other way....they'd try
to cut me off and I'd squeeze between some tables to go the other....
then I'd put a dirty look on my face and try to fend them off with my shear
will power (and the look of constipation) and althought they backed off...I
think it was the Alpha's that still approached and sniffed me out!
I'm still traumatized over that!! haha
And because of the sleaze feeling I got, I left with only time lost and no
furniture bought!!
OH, it's like going to a club and you watch the hot chick come in....every
single guy stares her down and drools....funny stuff!!
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:5eqdnXEd9dXcPR_dRVn-sQ@bresnan.com...
> Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-)
Guys
> who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
> about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
> professional.
>
> There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the
high
> pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a
straight
> commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
> cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
> the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
> very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and
bad
> attitudes.
>
> Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
> attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
> putting the customer at ease.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> > A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in
the
> > Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
> >
> > Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
> >
> > You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
> salesmen!
> > Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for
the
> > vehicle.
> >
> > sb
> > "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> > news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
> of
> > > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> > doing
> > > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
> merely
> > > wait for advertised specials.
> > >
> > > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> > well,
> > > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying
process.
> > If
> > > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> > make
> > > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers
HAVE
> > FUN
> > > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> > >
> > > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car
salesman,
> > > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation
because
> > of
> > > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
> attitude.
> > > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
> time".
> > >
> > > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
> dealers.
> > I
> > > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> > >
> > > Think about it.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dave Rose
> > > Cactus Cowboy
> > > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > > '98 XJ Sport
> > > O|||||||O
> > >
> > > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Don't view
> > > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
> etc.....
> > > > >It's not.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
thinking you're trying to butter them up for the kill!!
I suppose it's any type of comission sales job (real estate/etc.) that would
do it.
If you're good at it you'll do good....but I've dealt with more pushy real
estate agents than car dealers.
The horrible part is when you get a salesperson that doesn't understand what
NO is.
Sure there are hesitant shoppers....and some do fall for coersion....but
there is beating a sale out of a person too (borderline harassment!).
I remember (don't mean to run on with this) walking in to a furniture
store - ya a furniture store! - and I SWEAR, every single salesperson in
that place (12 or so) locked eyes with me and you could see them circling
like sharks man. They would approach and I'd go the other way....they'd try
to cut me off and I'd squeeze between some tables to go the other....
then I'd put a dirty look on my face and try to fend them off with my shear
will power (and the look of constipation) and althought they backed off...I
think it was the Alpha's that still approached and sniffed me out!
I'm still traumatized over that!! haha
And because of the sleaze feeling I got, I left with only time lost and no
furniture bought!!
OH, it's like going to a club and you watch the hot chick come in....every
single guy stares her down and drools....funny stuff!!
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:5eqdnXEd9dXcPR_dRVn-sQ@bresnan.com...
> Yeah, I guess that "professional car salesman" does sound funny. :-)
Guys
> who've been selling cars for a year or longer would know what I'm talking
> about though. If you've survived that long in car sales, you are truly a
> professional.
>
> There is a high turnover in car sales. Not many people can handle the
high
> pressure, frequent rejection, and often unpredictable earnings of a
straight
> commission sales position. You'll talk to a lot of people who "once sold
> cars". In most cases, they did it unsuccessfully for 2-4 months. Due to
> the high turnover, there are some mediocre car 'salesman' out there with
> very little sales experience, terribly inadequate product knowledge, and
bad
> attitudes.
>
> Some people do come into my car store with a defensive or confrontational
> attitude. Sometimes my biggest challenge is establishing rapport and
> putting the customer at ease.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:byogc.107656$2oI1.38811@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> > A professional car salesman? Are amateur leagues? Can you not be in
the
> > Olympics now cuz you've gone pro?!
> >
> > Sorry....just read it and it sounded funny!!
> >
> > You have to expect people to be quite defensive when dealing with
> salesmen!
> > Cuz basically they know they're going to be more than they should for
the
> > vehicle.
> >
> > sb
> > "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> > news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
> of
> > > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> > doing
> > > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
> merely
> > > wait for advertised specials.
> > >
> > > My job requires that I negotiate price with customers. I'm a skilled
> > > negotiator and I enjoy it. Most of my customers enjoy negotiating as
> > well,
> > > and readily accept that it's part of the traditional car buying
process.
> > If
> > > they're clearly uncomfortable, I'll do my best to put them at ease and
> > make
> > > it a fast and painless process. The vast majority of my customers
HAVE
> > FUN
> > > buying a vehicle from me and my store. Negotiating is fun when you're
> > > dealing with a professional like me and you have the right attitude.
> > >
> > > If you've had a prior bad experience with a car dealer or car
salesman,
> > > don't condemn the entire auto industry or the art of negotiation
because
> > of
> > > it. Don't go into a car store with a confrontational and angry
> attitude.
> > > If you do, you're sure to experience another "horrible way to spend
> time".
> > >
> > > Before I got into car sales, I bought numerous vehicles from car
> dealers.
> > I
> > > never had a bad experience. Why? My positive attitude as a buyer.
> > >
> > > Think about it.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dave Rose
> > > Cactus Cowboy
> > > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > > '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> > > '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> > > '98 XJ Sport
> > > O|||||||O
> > >
> > > "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:men380ht4qjkcrivmhjtub92cf12ue049h@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:50 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > > > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Don't view
> > > > >negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing,
> etc.....
> > > > >It's not.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is. And it is a horrible way to spend time.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>