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How do I check? Why would anyone build an engine with leaded valve seats?

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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > today's low octane fuels.
> >
> > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
258
> > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
smoother
> > run.
> >
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HomeBrewer

I appreciate your help here, but you will have to elaborate your answers for
me to understand. I'm not very knowledgeable on engine rebuilding. Give me
some things to ask the seller or things to look for when I inspect the
engine... I asked him what type valve seats were in the engine and am
awaiting an answer.

Thanks

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HomeBrewer

I appreciate your help here, but you will have to elaborate your answers for
me to understand. I'm not very knowledgeable on engine rebuilding. Give me
some things to ask the seller or things to look for when I inspect the
engine... I asked him what type valve seats were in the engine and am
awaiting an answer.

Thanks

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HomeBrewer

I appreciate your help here, but you will have to elaborate your answers for
me to understand. I'm not very knowledgeable on engine rebuilding. Give me
some things to ask the seller or things to look for when I inspect the
engine... I asked him what type valve seats were in the engine and am
awaiting an answer.

Thanks

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HomeBrewer

I appreciate your help here, but you will have to elaborate your answers for
me to understand. I'm not very knowledgeable on engine rebuilding. Give me
some things to ask the seller or things to look for when I inspect the
engine... I asked him what type valve seats were in the engine and am
awaiting an answer.

Thanks

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Mike Romain

I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.

That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
pump gas.

Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
for having hardened valve seats installed.

Why would anyone build it up?

Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
any better??

Mike

HomeBrewer wrote:
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> How do I check? Why would anyone build an engine with leaded valve seats?
>
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> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40DA3675.FC905737@sympatico.ca...
> > I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
> >
> > If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > HomeBrewer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > > today's low octane fuels.
> > >
> > > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
> 258
> > > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
> smoother
> > > run.
> > >
> > > --
> > > _____________
> > > HomeBrewer
> > > Remove the xxx to reply!

Mike Romain

I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.

That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
pump gas.

Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
for having hardened valve seats installed.

Why would anyone build it up?

Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
any better??

Mike

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> How do I check? Why would anyone build an engine with leaded valve seats?
>
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> HomeBrewer
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>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40DA3675.FC905737@sympatico.ca...
> > I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
> >
> > If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > HomeBrewer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > > today's low octane fuels.
> > >
> > > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
> 258
> > > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
> smoother
> > > run.
> > >
> > > --
> > > _____________
> > > HomeBrewer
> > > Remove the xxx to reply!

Mike Romain

I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.

That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
pump gas.

Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
for having hardened valve seats installed.

Why would anyone build it up?

Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
any better??

Mike

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> How do I check? Why would anyone build an engine with leaded valve seats?
>
> --
> _____________
> HomeBrewer
> Remove the xxx to reply!
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40DA3675.FC905737@sympatico.ca...
> > I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
> >
> > If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > HomeBrewer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > > today's low octane fuels.
> > >
> > > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
> 258
> > > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
> smoother
> > > run.
> > >
> > > --
> > > _____________
> > > HomeBrewer
> > > Remove the xxx to reply!

Mike Romain

I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.

That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
pump gas.

Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
for having hardened valve seats installed.

Why would anyone build it up?

Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
any better??

Mike

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> How do I check? Why would anyone build an engine with leaded valve seats?
>
> --
> _____________
> HomeBrewer
> Remove the xxx to reply!
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40DA3675.FC905737@sympatico.ca...
> > I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
> >
> > If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > HomeBrewer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > > today's low octane fuels.
> > >
> > > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
> 258
> > > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
> smoother
> > > run.
> > >
> > > --
> > > _____________
> > > HomeBrewer
> > > Remove the xxx to reply!

HomeBrewer

Forgive me for the dumb questions.....I have never bought a rebuilt engine
and I want to make sure I'm not getting burned. I trust this group most of
the time....but I usually try to get more than one opinion.

> I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.

What is a "modern" head?

> That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
> pump gas.

So the 304's originally ran on something other than "pump gas"?

> Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
> for having hardened valve seats installed.

He has not replied about the valves yet - no mention of receipts for valves
at all.

> Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
> now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
> any better??

I guess installing hardened valve seats is not as easy as it sounds? Why
would anyone spend $1400 + on a motor then try to unload it cause the valve
seats are not hardened? Why not just burn premium gas? Or am I missing
something?

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