What's this 360 worth?
06-23-2004, 11:23 PM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-23-2004, 11:23 PM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
Thank you.
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-23-2004, 11:23 PM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
Thank you.
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-24-2004, 04:02 AM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
A couple more thoughts.
A valve job runs from 3 to $500.00 per head depending on what is
needed. I don't know what machining in new valve seats would run extra
on top of that, but I bet it isn't a cheap job.
Sometimes people get in over their heads with a 'project' and figure
it's best to cut their losses. Especially if they just found out it
needs another grand or more to have a decent runner. That just put them
'waaay' over budget!
Maybe it will run for a while with the old heads, I really don't know.
I am only going on Bill saying that engine has the old heads stock and I
figure that sounds right to me as well.
Mike
HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Forgive me for the dumb questions.....I have never bought a rebuilt engine
> and I want to make sure I'm not getting burned. I trust this group most of
> the time....but I usually try to get more than one opinion.
>
> > I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.
>
> What is a "modern" head?
>
> > That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
> > pump gas.
>
> So the 304's originally ran on something other than "pump gas"?
>
> > Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
> > for having hardened valve seats installed.
>
> He has not replied about the valves yet - no mention of receipts for valves
> at all.
>
> > Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
> > now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
> > any better??
>
> I guess installing hardened valve seats is not as easy as it sounds? Why
> would anyone spend $1400 + on a motor then try to unload it cause the valve
> seats are not hardened? Why not just burn premium gas? Or am I missing
> something?
>
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A valve job runs from 3 to $500.00 per head depending on what is
needed. I don't know what machining in new valve seats would run extra
on top of that, but I bet it isn't a cheap job.
Sometimes people get in over their heads with a 'project' and figure
it's best to cut their losses. Especially if they just found out it
needs another grand or more to have a decent runner. That just put them
'waaay' over budget!
Maybe it will run for a while with the old heads, I really don't know.
I am only going on Bill saying that engine has the old heads stock and I
figure that sounds right to me as well.
Mike
HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Forgive me for the dumb questions.....I have never bought a rebuilt engine
> and I want to make sure I'm not getting burned. I trust this group most of
> the time....but I usually try to get more than one opinion.
>
> > I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.
>
> What is a "modern" head?
>
> > That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
> > pump gas.
>
> So the 304's originally ran on something other than "pump gas"?
>
> > Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
> > for having hardened valve seats installed.
>
> He has not replied about the valves yet - no mention of receipts for valves
> at all.
>
> > Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
> > now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
> > any better??
>
> I guess installing hardened valve seats is not as easy as it sounds? Why
> would anyone spend $1400 + on a motor then try to unload it cause the valve
> seats are not hardened? Why not just burn premium gas? Or am I missing
> something?
>
> --
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06-24-2004, 04:02 AM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
A couple more thoughts.
A valve job runs from 3 to $500.00 per head depending on what is
needed. I don't know what machining in new valve seats would run extra
on top of that, but I bet it isn't a cheap job.
Sometimes people get in over their heads with a 'project' and figure
it's best to cut their losses. Especially if they just found out it
needs another grand or more to have a decent runner. That just put them
'waaay' over budget!
Maybe it will run for a while with the old heads, I really don't know.
I am only going on Bill saying that engine has the old heads stock and I
figure that sounds right to me as well.
Mike
HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Forgive me for the dumb questions.....I have never bought a rebuilt engine
> and I want to make sure I'm not getting burned. I trust this group most of
> the time....but I usually try to get more than one opinion.
>
> > I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.
>
> What is a "modern" head?
>
> > That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
> > pump gas.
>
> So the 304's originally ran on something other than "pump gas"?
>
> > Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
> > for having hardened valve seats installed.
>
> He has not replied about the valves yet - no mention of receipts for valves
> at all.
>
> > Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
> > now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
> > any better??
>
> I guess installing hardened valve seats is not as easy as it sounds? Why
> would anyone spend $1400 + on a motor then try to unload it cause the valve
> seats are not hardened? Why not just burn premium gas? Or am I missing
> something?
>
> --
> _____________
> HomeBrewer
> Remove the xxx to reply!
A valve job runs from 3 to $500.00 per head depending on what is
needed. I don't know what machining in new valve seats would run extra
on top of that, but I bet it isn't a cheap job.
Sometimes people get in over their heads with a 'project' and figure
it's best to cut their losses. Especially if they just found out it
needs another grand or more to have a decent runner. That just put them
'waaay' over budget!
Maybe it will run for a while with the old heads, I really don't know.
I am only going on Bill saying that engine has the old heads stock and I
figure that sounds right to me as well.
Mike
HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Forgive me for the dumb questions.....I have never bought a rebuilt engine
> and I want to make sure I'm not getting burned. I trust this group most of
> the time....but I usually try to get more than one opinion.
>
> > I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.
>
> What is a "modern" head?
>
> > That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
> > pump gas.
>
> So the 304's originally ran on something other than "pump gas"?
>
> > Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
> > for having hardened valve seats installed.
>
> He has not replied about the valves yet - no mention of receipts for valves
> at all.
>
> > Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
> > now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
> > any better??
>
> I guess installing hardened valve seats is not as easy as it sounds? Why
> would anyone spend $1400 + on a motor then try to unload it cause the valve
> seats are not hardened? Why not just burn premium gas? Or am I missing
> something?
>
> --
> _____________
> HomeBrewer
> Remove the xxx to reply!
06-24-2004, 04:02 AM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
A couple more thoughts.
A valve job runs from 3 to $500.00 per head depending on what is
needed. I don't know what machining in new valve seats would run extra
on top of that, but I bet it isn't a cheap job.
Sometimes people get in over their heads with a 'project' and figure
it's best to cut their losses. Especially if they just found out it
needs another grand or more to have a decent runner. That just put them
'waaay' over budget!
Maybe it will run for a while with the old heads, I really don't know.
I am only going on Bill saying that engine has the old heads stock and I
figure that sounds right to me as well.
Mike
HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Forgive me for the dumb questions.....I have never bought a rebuilt engine
> and I want to make sure I'm not getting burned. I trust this group most of
> the time....but I usually try to get more than one opinion.
>
> > I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.
>
> What is a "modern" head?
>
> > That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
> > pump gas.
>
> So the 304's originally ran on something other than "pump gas"?
>
> > Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
> > for having hardened valve seats installed.
>
> He has not replied about the valves yet - no mention of receipts for valves
> at all.
>
> > Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
> > now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
> > any better??
>
> I guess installing hardened valve seats is not as easy as it sounds? Why
> would anyone spend $1400 + on a motor then try to unload it cause the valve
> seats are not hardened? Why not just burn premium gas? Or am I missing
> something?
>
> --
> _____________
> HomeBrewer
> Remove the xxx to reply!
A valve job runs from 3 to $500.00 per head depending on what is
needed. I don't know what machining in new valve seats would run extra
on top of that, but I bet it isn't a cheap job.
Sometimes people get in over their heads with a 'project' and figure
it's best to cut their losses. Especially if they just found out it
needs another grand or more to have a decent runner. That just put them
'waaay' over budget!
Maybe it will run for a while with the old heads, I really don't know.
I am only going on Bill saying that engine has the old heads stock and I
figure that sounds right to me as well.
Mike
HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Forgive me for the dumb questions.....I have never bought a rebuilt engine
> and I want to make sure I'm not getting burned. I trust this group most of
> the time....but I usually try to get more than one opinion.
>
> > I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.
>
> What is a "modern" head?
>
> > That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
> > pump gas.
>
> So the 304's originally ran on something other than "pump gas"?
>
> > Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
> > for having hardened valve seats installed.
>
> He has not replied about the valves yet - no mention of receipts for valves
> at all.
>
> > Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
> > now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
> > any better??
>
> I guess installing hardened valve seats is not as easy as it sounds? Why
> would anyone spend $1400 + on a motor then try to unload it cause the valve
> seats are not hardened? Why not just burn premium gas? Or am I missing
> something?
>
> --
> _____________
> HomeBrewer
> Remove the xxx to reply!
06-24-2004, 04:02 AM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
A couple more thoughts.
A valve job runs from 3 to $500.00 per head depending on what is
needed. I don't know what machining in new valve seats would run extra
on top of that, but I bet it isn't a cheap job.
Sometimes people get in over their heads with a 'project' and figure
it's best to cut their losses. Especially if they just found out it
needs another grand or more to have a decent runner. That just put them
'waaay' over budget!
Maybe it will run for a while with the old heads, I really don't know.
I am only going on Bill saying that engine has the old heads stock and I
figure that sounds right to me as well.
Mike
HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Forgive me for the dumb questions.....I have never bought a rebuilt engine
> and I want to make sure I'm not getting burned. I trust this group most of
> the time....but I usually try to get more than one opinion.
>
> > I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.
>
> What is a "modern" head?
>
> > That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
> > pump gas.
>
> So the 304's originally ran on something other than "pump gas"?
>
> > Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
> > for having hardened valve seats installed.
>
> He has not replied about the valves yet - no mention of receipts for valves
> at all.
>
> > Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
> > now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
> > any better??
>
> I guess installing hardened valve seats is not as easy as it sounds? Why
> would anyone spend $1400 + on a motor then try to unload it cause the valve
> seats are not hardened? Why not just burn premium gas? Or am I missing
> something?
>
> --
> _____________
> HomeBrewer
> Remove the xxx to reply!
A valve job runs from 3 to $500.00 per head depending on what is
needed. I don't know what machining in new valve seats would run extra
on top of that, but I bet it isn't a cheap job.
Sometimes people get in over their heads with a 'project' and figure
it's best to cut their losses. Especially if they just found out it
needs another grand or more to have a decent runner. That just put them
'waaay' over budget!
Maybe it will run for a while with the old heads, I really don't know.
I am only going on Bill saying that engine has the old heads stock and I
figure that sounds right to me as well.
Mike
HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Forgive me for the dumb questions.....I have never bought a rebuilt engine
> and I want to make sure I'm not getting burned. I trust this group most of
> the time....but I usually try to get more than one opinion.
>
> > I don't know what year 'if any' that they put modern heads on the 304.
>
> What is a "modern" head?
>
> > That means the valve seats need to be changed so the engine can run on
> > pump gas.
>
> So the 304's originally ran on something other than "pump gas"?
>
> > Having a receipt for a 'valve job' is not the same as having a receipt
> > for having hardened valve seats installed.
>
> He has not replied about the valves yet - no mention of receipts for valves
> at all.
>
> > Because they didn't know any better, then when they found out, they are
> > now trying to unload the boat anchor to some one else that doesn't know
> > any better??
>
> I guess installing hardened valve seats is not as easy as it sounds? Why
> would anyone spend $1400 + on a motor then try to unload it cause the valve
> seats are not hardened? Why not just burn premium gas? Or am I missing
> something?
>
> --
> _____________
> HomeBrewer
> Remove the xxx to reply!
06-24-2004, 06:49 AM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
How do I check? Why would anyone build an engine with leaded valve seats?
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > today's low octane fuels.
> >
> > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
258
> > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
smoother
> > run.
> >
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > today's low octane fuels.
> >
> > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
258
> > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
smoother
> > run.
> >
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06-24-2004, 06:49 AM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
How do I check? Why would anyone build an engine with leaded valve seats?
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > today's low octane fuels.
> >
> > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
258
> > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
smoother
> > run.
> >
> > --
> > _____________
> > HomeBrewer
> > Remove the xxx to reply!
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > today's low octane fuels.
> >
> > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
258
> > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
smoother
> > run.
> >
> > --
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06-24-2004, 06:49 AM
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Re: What's this 360 worth?
How do I check? Why would anyone build an engine with leaded valve seats?
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > today's low octane fuels.
> >
> > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
258
> > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
smoother
> > run.
> >
> > --
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> > HomeBrewer
> > Remove the xxx to reply!
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I think he is mixing up leaded and unleaded valve seats.
>
> If it has the old style seats, the engine is a boat anchor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > > Bummer, there's no substitute for cubic inches. The eight hundred
> > > may be worth it if it has steel insert valve seats to convert it to
> > > today's low octane fuels.
> >
> > Are you implying that this engine won't run on 87 octane? - I know my
258
> > runs like @##$ on 87, but on 90+ octane I get better mileage and
smoother
> > run.
> >
> > --
> > _____________
> > HomeBrewer
> > Remove the xxx to reply!