OT: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
11-11-2004, 09:01 PM
#121
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Re: OT: Not Every Trucker Runs Two Logs
AKA Teddy,
An owner/operator is an independent businessman, and as such may
not join a union like an employee, a lease with a company doesn't make
them that company's employee no matter what your little bleeding heart
liberal stupid brain is capable of understanding. The insurance premiums
are part of the costs problem, and of course they see the seem logs the
Department of Transportation see. It's the trucker that must know
his/her capability, as they know that if they snooze, they lose. I think
some of your confusion is combining your local bobtail driver's beer
delivery truck, with all the "over the road" "long haul" transporters.
Talk to any driver, and you won't act so.... ignorant
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> LTL companies are still largely union. TL companies like Schneider,
> JB, Werner, et al, are nonunion but they own their tractors and
> trailers, they also have OOs under lease. A condition of lease is you
> have satellite (Qualcomm) terminal installed. They track you pretty
> carefully and while you can pull a few minor shenanigans, they will
> catch and fire gross violators. Company trucks are watched much
> closer. What keeps 'em in line, more than the DOT, is the insurance
> companies and the specter of huge liability. There are too many people
> in manufacturing states who would dearly love to bend JB and
> especially Don Schneider over for unionbusting for them to get a jury
> pool that wouldn't kill them. And can you blame them? (Let me rephrase
> that-could normal humans blame them??)
An owner/operator is an independent businessman, and as such may
not join a union like an employee, a lease with a company doesn't make
them that company's employee no matter what your little bleeding heart
liberal stupid brain is capable of understanding. The insurance premiums
are part of the costs problem, and of course they see the seem logs the
Department of Transportation see. It's the trucker that must know
his/her capability, as they know that if they snooze, they lose. I think
some of your confusion is combining your local bobtail driver's beer
delivery truck, with all the "over the road" "long haul" transporters.
Talk to any driver, and you won't act so.... ignorant
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> LTL companies are still largely union. TL companies like Schneider,
> JB, Werner, et al, are nonunion but they own their tractors and
> trailers, they also have OOs under lease. A condition of lease is you
> have satellite (Qualcomm) terminal installed. They track you pretty
> carefully and while you can pull a few minor shenanigans, they will
> catch and fire gross violators. Company trucks are watched much
> closer. What keeps 'em in line, more than the DOT, is the insurance
> companies and the specter of huge liability. There are too many people
> in manufacturing states who would dearly love to bend JB and
> especially Don Schneider over for unionbusting for them to get a jury
> pool that wouldn't kill them. And can you blame them? (Let me rephrase
> that-could normal humans blame them??)
11-11-2004, 09:01 PM
#122
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Posts: n/a
Re: OT: Not Every Trucker Runs Two Logs
AKA Teddy,
An owner/operator is an independent businessman, and as such may
not join a union like an employee, a lease with a company doesn't make
them that company's employee no matter what your little bleeding heart
liberal stupid brain is capable of understanding. The insurance premiums
are part of the costs problem, and of course they see the seem logs the
Department of Transportation see. It's the trucker that must know
his/her capability, as they know that if they snooze, they lose. I think
some of your confusion is combining your local bobtail driver's beer
delivery truck, with all the "over the road" "long haul" transporters.
Talk to any driver, and you won't act so.... ignorant
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> LTL companies are still largely union. TL companies like Schneider,
> JB, Werner, et al, are nonunion but they own their tractors and
> trailers, they also have OOs under lease. A condition of lease is you
> have satellite (Qualcomm) terminal installed. They track you pretty
> carefully and while you can pull a few minor shenanigans, they will
> catch and fire gross violators. Company trucks are watched much
> closer. What keeps 'em in line, more than the DOT, is the insurance
> companies and the specter of huge liability. There are too many people
> in manufacturing states who would dearly love to bend JB and
> especially Don Schneider over for unionbusting for them to get a jury
> pool that wouldn't kill them. And can you blame them? (Let me rephrase
> that-could normal humans blame them??)
An owner/operator is an independent businessman, and as such may
not join a union like an employee, a lease with a company doesn't make
them that company's employee no matter what your little bleeding heart
liberal stupid brain is capable of understanding. The insurance premiums
are part of the costs problem, and of course they see the seem logs the
Department of Transportation see. It's the trucker that must know
his/her capability, as they know that if they snooze, they lose. I think
some of your confusion is combining your local bobtail driver's beer
delivery truck, with all the "over the road" "long haul" transporters.
Talk to any driver, and you won't act so.... ignorant
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> LTL companies are still largely union. TL companies like Schneider,
> JB, Werner, et al, are nonunion but they own their tractors and
> trailers, they also have OOs under lease. A condition of lease is you
> have satellite (Qualcomm) terminal installed. They track you pretty
> carefully and while you can pull a few minor shenanigans, they will
> catch and fire gross violators. Company trucks are watched much
> closer. What keeps 'em in line, more than the DOT, is the insurance
> companies and the specter of huge liability. There are too many people
> in manufacturing states who would dearly love to bend JB and
> especially Don Schneider over for unionbusting for them to get a jury
> pool that wouldn't kill them. And can you blame them? (Let me rephrase
> that-could normal humans blame them??)
11-11-2004, 09:01 PM
#123
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Posts: n/a
Re: OT: Not Every Trucker Runs Two Logs
AKA Teddy,
An owner/operator is an independent businessman, and as such may
not join a union like an employee, a lease with a company doesn't make
them that company's employee no matter what your little bleeding heart
liberal stupid brain is capable of understanding. The insurance premiums
are part of the costs problem, and of course they see the seem logs the
Department of Transportation see. It's the trucker that must know
his/her capability, as they know that if they snooze, they lose. I think
some of your confusion is combining your local bobtail driver's beer
delivery truck, with all the "over the road" "long haul" transporters.
Talk to any driver, and you won't act so.... ignorant
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> LTL companies are still largely union. TL companies like Schneider,
> JB, Werner, et al, are nonunion but they own their tractors and
> trailers, they also have OOs under lease. A condition of lease is you
> have satellite (Qualcomm) terminal installed. They track you pretty
> carefully and while you can pull a few minor shenanigans, they will
> catch and fire gross violators. Company trucks are watched much
> closer. What keeps 'em in line, more than the DOT, is the insurance
> companies and the specter of huge liability. There are too many people
> in manufacturing states who would dearly love to bend JB and
> especially Don Schneider over for unionbusting for them to get a jury
> pool that wouldn't kill them. And can you blame them? (Let me rephrase
> that-could normal humans blame them??)
An owner/operator is an independent businessman, and as such may
not join a union like an employee, a lease with a company doesn't make
them that company's employee no matter what your little bleeding heart
liberal stupid brain is capable of understanding. The insurance premiums
are part of the costs problem, and of course they see the seem logs the
Department of Transportation see. It's the trucker that must know
his/her capability, as they know that if they snooze, they lose. I think
some of your confusion is combining your local bobtail driver's beer
delivery truck, with all the "over the road" "long haul" transporters.
Talk to any driver, and you won't act so.... ignorant
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> LTL companies are still largely union. TL companies like Schneider,
> JB, Werner, et al, are nonunion but they own their tractors and
> trailers, they also have OOs under lease. A condition of lease is you
> have satellite (Qualcomm) terminal installed. They track you pretty
> carefully and while you can pull a few minor shenanigans, they will
> catch and fire gross violators. Company trucks are watched much
> closer. What keeps 'em in line, more than the DOT, is the insurance
> companies and the specter of huge liability. There are too many people
> in manufacturing states who would dearly love to bend JB and
> especially Don Schneider over for unionbusting for them to get a jury
> pool that wouldn't kill them. And can you blame them? (Let me rephrase
> that-could normal humans blame them??)
11-12-2004, 09:06 PM
#124
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Oil is actually close to $47.00 today, not $40. Back in April it was under
$40 and street prices were higher than today.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:419182AE.B0519E10@***.net...
> Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
> today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
> gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
> like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
> nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
> store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> You have a different understanding of what "government regulation" means.
>> Here under my rock, government regulation means that gasoline - and
>> diesel -
>> would not jump in a matter of days from $1.75 to $2.50, then slide all of
>> the way back to $2.40 and hold steady for months. Under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let gas prices jump while the underlying crude
>> prices
>> remained essentially flat - as was the case last April and May - while
>> prices on the street went through the roof. And, under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let prices on the street fall in a climate of rising
>> prices of the underlying crude, as is what we are seeing today. I bought
>> gas
>> today for $2.37. Crude is over $50/barrel. I paid $2.50 in Apr/May when
>> crude was below $40.
>>
>> I live a pretty comfortable life here under this rock, and I apparently
>> do
>> not get out much. Under my rock, when government regulates things, the
>> prices on the street are generally reflective of the underlying costs.
>> Not
>> always, but generally. Another thing with government regulation is, it
>> generally costs 4 times as much and works half as good, where "it" is
>> whatever the government happens to be regulating.
$40 and street prices were higher than today.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:419182AE.B0519E10@***.net...
> Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
> today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
> gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
> like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
> nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
> store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> You have a different understanding of what "government regulation" means.
>> Here under my rock, government regulation means that gasoline - and
>> diesel -
>> would not jump in a matter of days from $1.75 to $2.50, then slide all of
>> the way back to $2.40 and hold steady for months. Under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let gas prices jump while the underlying crude
>> prices
>> remained essentially flat - as was the case last April and May - while
>> prices on the street went through the roof. And, under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let prices on the street fall in a climate of rising
>> prices of the underlying crude, as is what we are seeing today. I bought
>> gas
>> today for $2.37. Crude is over $50/barrel. I paid $2.50 in Apr/May when
>> crude was below $40.
>>
>> I live a pretty comfortable life here under this rock, and I apparently
>> do
>> not get out much. Under my rock, when government regulates things, the
>> prices on the street are generally reflective of the underlying costs.
>> Not
>> always, but generally. Another thing with government regulation is, it
>> generally costs 4 times as much and works half as good, where "it" is
>> whatever the government happens to be regulating.
11-12-2004, 09:06 PM
#125
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Posts: n/a
Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Oil is actually close to $47.00 today, not $40. Back in April it was under
$40 and street prices were higher than today.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:419182AE.B0519E10@***.net...
> Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
> today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
> gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
> like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
> nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
> store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> You have a different understanding of what "government regulation" means.
>> Here under my rock, government regulation means that gasoline - and
>> diesel -
>> would not jump in a matter of days from $1.75 to $2.50, then slide all of
>> the way back to $2.40 and hold steady for months. Under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let gas prices jump while the underlying crude
>> prices
>> remained essentially flat - as was the case last April and May - while
>> prices on the street went through the roof. And, under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let prices on the street fall in a climate of rising
>> prices of the underlying crude, as is what we are seeing today. I bought
>> gas
>> today for $2.37. Crude is over $50/barrel. I paid $2.50 in Apr/May when
>> crude was below $40.
>>
>> I live a pretty comfortable life here under this rock, and I apparently
>> do
>> not get out much. Under my rock, when government regulates things, the
>> prices on the street are generally reflective of the underlying costs.
>> Not
>> always, but generally. Another thing with government regulation is, it
>> generally costs 4 times as much and works half as good, where "it" is
>> whatever the government happens to be regulating.
$40 and street prices were higher than today.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:419182AE.B0519E10@***.net...
> Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
> today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
> gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
> like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
> nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
> store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> You have a different understanding of what "government regulation" means.
>> Here under my rock, government regulation means that gasoline - and
>> diesel -
>> would not jump in a matter of days from $1.75 to $2.50, then slide all of
>> the way back to $2.40 and hold steady for months. Under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let gas prices jump while the underlying crude
>> prices
>> remained essentially flat - as was the case last April and May - while
>> prices on the street went through the roof. And, under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let prices on the street fall in a climate of rising
>> prices of the underlying crude, as is what we are seeing today. I bought
>> gas
>> today for $2.37. Crude is over $50/barrel. I paid $2.50 in Apr/May when
>> crude was below $40.
>>
>> I live a pretty comfortable life here under this rock, and I apparently
>> do
>> not get out much. Under my rock, when government regulates things, the
>> prices on the street are generally reflective of the underlying costs.
>> Not
>> always, but generally. Another thing with government regulation is, it
>> generally costs 4 times as much and works half as good, where "it" is
>> whatever the government happens to be regulating.
11-12-2004, 09:06 PM
#126
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Posts: n/a
Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Oil is actually close to $47.00 today, not $40. Back in April it was under
$40 and street prices were higher than today.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:419182AE.B0519E10@***.net...
> Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
> today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
> gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
> like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
> nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
> store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> You have a different understanding of what "government regulation" means.
>> Here under my rock, government regulation means that gasoline - and
>> diesel -
>> would not jump in a matter of days from $1.75 to $2.50, then slide all of
>> the way back to $2.40 and hold steady for months. Under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let gas prices jump while the underlying crude
>> prices
>> remained essentially flat - as was the case last April and May - while
>> prices on the street went through the roof. And, under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let prices on the street fall in a climate of rising
>> prices of the underlying crude, as is what we are seeing today. I bought
>> gas
>> today for $2.37. Crude is over $50/barrel. I paid $2.50 in Apr/May when
>> crude was below $40.
>>
>> I live a pretty comfortable life here under this rock, and I apparently
>> do
>> not get out much. Under my rock, when government regulates things, the
>> prices on the street are generally reflective of the underlying costs.
>> Not
>> always, but generally. Another thing with government regulation is, it
>> generally costs 4 times as much and works half as good, where "it" is
>> whatever the government happens to be regulating.
$40 and street prices were higher than today.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:419182AE.B0519E10@***.net...
> Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
> today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
> gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
> like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
> nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
> store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> You have a different understanding of what "government regulation" means.
>> Here under my rock, government regulation means that gasoline - and
>> diesel -
>> would not jump in a matter of days from $1.75 to $2.50, then slide all of
>> the way back to $2.40 and hold steady for months. Under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let gas prices jump while the underlying crude
>> prices
>> remained essentially flat - as was the case last April and May - while
>> prices on the street went through the roof. And, under my rock,
>> government
>> regulation would not let prices on the street fall in a climate of rising
>> prices of the underlying crude, as is what we are seeing today. I bought
>> gas
>> today for $2.37. Crude is over $50/barrel. I paid $2.50 in Apr/May when
>> crude was below $40.
>>
>> I live a pretty comfortable life here under this rock, and I apparently
>> do
>> not get out much. Under my rock, when government regulates things, the
>> prices on the street are generally reflective of the underlying costs.
>> Not
>> always, but generally. Another thing with government regulation is, it
>> generally costs 4 times as much and works half as good, where "it" is
>> whatever the government happens to be regulating.
11-12-2004, 09:07 PM
#127
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Get over it. That is false and misleading.
"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
news:20041110182315.11419.00000434@mb-m29.aol.com...
>I wouldn't be surprised if some of his biggest campaign contributors were
>from
> Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil
> so
> they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about
> making
> money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
>
>> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>>before we do Iraq and Syria.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
news:20041110182315.11419.00000434@mb-m29.aol.com...
>I wouldn't be surprised if some of his biggest campaign contributors were
>from
> Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil
> so
> they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about
> making
> money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
>
>> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>>before we do Iraq and Syria.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
11-12-2004, 09:07 PM
#128
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Get over it. That is false and misleading.
"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
news:20041110182315.11419.00000434@mb-m29.aol.com...
>I wouldn't be surprised if some of his biggest campaign contributors were
>from
> Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil
> so
> they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about
> making
> money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
>
>> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>>before we do Iraq and Syria.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
news:20041110182315.11419.00000434@mb-m29.aol.com...
>I wouldn't be surprised if some of his biggest campaign contributors were
>from
> Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil
> so
> they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about
> making
> money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
>
>> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>>before we do Iraq and Syria.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
11-12-2004, 09:07 PM
#129
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Posts: n/a
Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Get over it. That is false and misleading.
"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
news:20041110182315.11419.00000434@mb-m29.aol.com...
>I wouldn't be surprised if some of his biggest campaign contributors were
>from
> Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil
> so
> they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about
> making
> money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
>
>> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>>before we do Iraq and Syria.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
news:20041110182315.11419.00000434@mb-m29.aol.com...
>I wouldn't be surprised if some of his biggest campaign contributors were
>from
> Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil
> so
> they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about
> making
> money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
>
>> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>>before we do Iraq and Syria.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
11-12-2004, 09:31 PM
#130
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
That's why I used the term "today". It's whatever we're willing to
pay for it, just like beans, in the movies "Trading Places".
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Oil is actually close to $47.00 today, not $40. Back in April it was under
> $40 and street prices were higher than today.
pay for it, just like beans, in the movies "Trading Places".
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Oil is actually close to $47.00 today, not $40. Back in April it was under
> $40 and street prices were higher than today.