OT: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
#101
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Bill is being really naive here. Ever heard of OPEC Bill? The WHOLE purpose of
OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
good friends w/all of them too.
>Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
>today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
>gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
>like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
>nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
>store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
good friends w/all of them too.
>Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
>today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
>gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
>like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
>nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
>store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
#102
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
Bill is being really naive here. Ever heard of OPEC Bill? The WHOLE purpose of
OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
good friends w/all of them too.
>Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
>today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
>gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
>like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
>nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
>store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
good friends w/all of them too.
>Jeff, they are selling a barrel of crude for forty eight bucks as of
>today. I guess you don't know the size of a barrel, it's forty eight
>gallons. Do you think they ship it over here for free. You're acting
>like a liberal whom thinks the oil industry should refined it for
>nothing. Geez, just look at the prices of anything else in your grocery
>store. Name something you may buy for less.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
#103
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
before we do Iraq and Syria.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Wblane wrote:
>
> Bill is being really naive here. Ever heard of OPEC Bill? The WHOLE purpose of
> OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
> good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
> They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
> it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
> good friends w/all of them too.
before we do Iraq and Syria.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Wblane wrote:
>
> Bill is being really naive here. Ever heard of OPEC Bill? The WHOLE purpose of
> OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
> good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
> They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
> it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
> good friends w/all of them too.
#104
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
before we do Iraq and Syria.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Wblane wrote:
>
> Bill is being really naive here. Ever heard of OPEC Bill? The WHOLE purpose of
> OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
> good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
> They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
> it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
> good friends w/all of them too.
before we do Iraq and Syria.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Wblane wrote:
>
> Bill is being really naive here. Ever heard of OPEC Bill? The WHOLE purpose of
> OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
> good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
> They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
> it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
> good friends w/all of them too.
#105
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
before we do Iraq and Syria.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Wblane wrote:
>
> Bill is being really naive here. Ever heard of OPEC Bill? The WHOLE purpose of
> OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
> good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
> They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
> it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
> good friends w/all of them too.
before we do Iraq and Syria.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Wblane wrote:
>
> Bill is being really naive here. Ever heard of OPEC Bill? The WHOLE purpose of
> OPEC Is to engage in PRICE-FIXING. They're not an organization working for the
> good of humanity or to provide quality petro-products at fair-market values.
> They're an organization dedicated to raising the price of crude oil and keeping
> it as high as possible for as long as possible. Your buddy Bush is probably
> good friends w/all of them too.
#106
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
All I know is what I see at the pumps. Back in April, gas was pushed from
around 1.75 to nearly 2.50, all while crude remained steady. Now, crude is
climbing and prices at the pump are falling.
The ONLY reason this is part of the discussion is back in April when prices
were climbing, the explanation was that crude prices were rising and
refining was declining. Today, refining is still "declining" - that is it is
not rising faster than demand - and crude prices are going up, up over $50
(actually, today, 11/10, crude is below $50, but is closer to 50 than 40)
and prices on the street are drifting downward.
So, if we are to believe that crude causes rapid price hikes, why are prices
at the pump falling? And if crude is responsible for pushing prices up
quickly, then why don't prices fall just as quickly when crude proces go
back down?
Obvioulsy crude plays a role in pump prices, my point is there are other
factors as well - some might suggest those other factors have more to do
with manipulation than actual factors. If the factors that push pump prices
around are manipulation as opposed to actual factors, then the the prices
will rise like a rocket and drop like a feather and the question remains,
"why make a gallon for a dollar when you can get away with making a
half-gallon for two dollars?"
I expect nothing for free, but I have a model of what happens in the energy
markets that has more to do with market control than supply and demand. My
model seems to hold true in any energy market, gas, electricity, natural
gas, name it. While we are suffering power outages because Edison claims
they can't make electircity fast enough, the windmills in Palm Springs are
all standing still. Something that should never stop is locked down, why is
that? It is because they can sell half for two bucks instead selling one for
one. It is entirely possible that that I am completely clueless about what
drives prices, but if that was so, then every market that I look at would
not behave the same when my model is applied. Sure, the markets are going to
_say_ that I am wrong, but the fact remains that they behave exactly as I
predict, and they behave that way even when the forces they claim to be at
work are not even present. In the gasoline market, the difference in today
and last April is the calendar and opposite directions in the movement of
the major component of the price swings back in April. Using the market's
own explanation of what was driving prices in April conflicts with where
prices are going today. But, my model fits not only today, but April as
well. I could be completely wrong, but that means the market is lying, but I
maintain the market is lying. The end result is the same, but in my model,
my eyes are open, if we believe the market, our eyes must remain closed.
Take your pick.
around 1.75 to nearly 2.50, all while crude remained steady. Now, crude is
climbing and prices at the pump are falling.
The ONLY reason this is part of the discussion is back in April when prices
were climbing, the explanation was that crude prices were rising and
refining was declining. Today, refining is still "declining" - that is it is
not rising faster than demand - and crude prices are going up, up over $50
(actually, today, 11/10, crude is below $50, but is closer to 50 than 40)
and prices on the street are drifting downward.
So, if we are to believe that crude causes rapid price hikes, why are prices
at the pump falling? And if crude is responsible for pushing prices up
quickly, then why don't prices fall just as quickly when crude proces go
back down?
Obvioulsy crude plays a role in pump prices, my point is there are other
factors as well - some might suggest those other factors have more to do
with manipulation than actual factors. If the factors that push pump prices
around are manipulation as opposed to actual factors, then the the prices
will rise like a rocket and drop like a feather and the question remains,
"why make a gallon for a dollar when you can get away with making a
half-gallon for two dollars?"
I expect nothing for free, but I have a model of what happens in the energy
markets that has more to do with market control than supply and demand. My
model seems to hold true in any energy market, gas, electricity, natural
gas, name it. While we are suffering power outages because Edison claims
they can't make electircity fast enough, the windmills in Palm Springs are
all standing still. Something that should never stop is locked down, why is
that? It is because they can sell half for two bucks instead selling one for
one. It is entirely possible that that I am completely clueless about what
drives prices, but if that was so, then every market that I look at would
not behave the same when my model is applied. Sure, the markets are going to
_say_ that I am wrong, but the fact remains that they behave exactly as I
predict, and they behave that way even when the forces they claim to be at
work are not even present. In the gasoline market, the difference in today
and last April is the calendar and opposite directions in the movement of
the major component of the price swings back in April. Using the market's
own explanation of what was driving prices in April conflicts with where
prices are going today. But, my model fits not only today, but April as
well. I could be completely wrong, but that means the market is lying, but I
maintain the market is lying. The end result is the same, but in my model,
my eyes are open, if we believe the market, our eyes must remain closed.
Take your pick.
#107
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
All I know is what I see at the pumps. Back in April, gas was pushed from
around 1.75 to nearly 2.50, all while crude remained steady. Now, crude is
climbing and prices at the pump are falling.
The ONLY reason this is part of the discussion is back in April when prices
were climbing, the explanation was that crude prices were rising and
refining was declining. Today, refining is still "declining" - that is it is
not rising faster than demand - and crude prices are going up, up over $50
(actually, today, 11/10, crude is below $50, but is closer to 50 than 40)
and prices on the street are drifting downward.
So, if we are to believe that crude causes rapid price hikes, why are prices
at the pump falling? And if crude is responsible for pushing prices up
quickly, then why don't prices fall just as quickly when crude proces go
back down?
Obvioulsy crude plays a role in pump prices, my point is there are other
factors as well - some might suggest those other factors have more to do
with manipulation than actual factors. If the factors that push pump prices
around are manipulation as opposed to actual factors, then the the prices
will rise like a rocket and drop like a feather and the question remains,
"why make a gallon for a dollar when you can get away with making a
half-gallon for two dollars?"
I expect nothing for free, but I have a model of what happens in the energy
markets that has more to do with market control than supply and demand. My
model seems to hold true in any energy market, gas, electricity, natural
gas, name it. While we are suffering power outages because Edison claims
they can't make electircity fast enough, the windmills in Palm Springs are
all standing still. Something that should never stop is locked down, why is
that? It is because they can sell half for two bucks instead selling one for
one. It is entirely possible that that I am completely clueless about what
drives prices, but if that was so, then every market that I look at would
not behave the same when my model is applied. Sure, the markets are going to
_say_ that I am wrong, but the fact remains that they behave exactly as I
predict, and they behave that way even when the forces they claim to be at
work are not even present. In the gasoline market, the difference in today
and last April is the calendar and opposite directions in the movement of
the major component of the price swings back in April. Using the market's
own explanation of what was driving prices in April conflicts with where
prices are going today. But, my model fits not only today, but April as
well. I could be completely wrong, but that means the market is lying, but I
maintain the market is lying. The end result is the same, but in my model,
my eyes are open, if we believe the market, our eyes must remain closed.
Take your pick.
around 1.75 to nearly 2.50, all while crude remained steady. Now, crude is
climbing and prices at the pump are falling.
The ONLY reason this is part of the discussion is back in April when prices
were climbing, the explanation was that crude prices were rising and
refining was declining. Today, refining is still "declining" - that is it is
not rising faster than demand - and crude prices are going up, up over $50
(actually, today, 11/10, crude is below $50, but is closer to 50 than 40)
and prices on the street are drifting downward.
So, if we are to believe that crude causes rapid price hikes, why are prices
at the pump falling? And if crude is responsible for pushing prices up
quickly, then why don't prices fall just as quickly when crude proces go
back down?
Obvioulsy crude plays a role in pump prices, my point is there are other
factors as well - some might suggest those other factors have more to do
with manipulation than actual factors. If the factors that push pump prices
around are manipulation as opposed to actual factors, then the the prices
will rise like a rocket and drop like a feather and the question remains,
"why make a gallon for a dollar when you can get away with making a
half-gallon for two dollars?"
I expect nothing for free, but I have a model of what happens in the energy
markets that has more to do with market control than supply and demand. My
model seems to hold true in any energy market, gas, electricity, natural
gas, name it. While we are suffering power outages because Edison claims
they can't make electircity fast enough, the windmills in Palm Springs are
all standing still. Something that should never stop is locked down, why is
that? It is because they can sell half for two bucks instead selling one for
one. It is entirely possible that that I am completely clueless about what
drives prices, but if that was so, then every market that I look at would
not behave the same when my model is applied. Sure, the markets are going to
_say_ that I am wrong, but the fact remains that they behave exactly as I
predict, and they behave that way even when the forces they claim to be at
work are not even present. In the gasoline market, the difference in today
and last April is the calendar and opposite directions in the movement of
the major component of the price swings back in April. Using the market's
own explanation of what was driving prices in April conflicts with where
prices are going today. But, my model fits not only today, but April as
well. I could be completely wrong, but that means the market is lying, but I
maintain the market is lying. The end result is the same, but in my model,
my eyes are open, if we believe the market, our eyes must remain closed.
Take your pick.
#108
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
All I know is what I see at the pumps. Back in April, gas was pushed from
around 1.75 to nearly 2.50, all while crude remained steady. Now, crude is
climbing and prices at the pump are falling.
The ONLY reason this is part of the discussion is back in April when prices
were climbing, the explanation was that crude prices were rising and
refining was declining. Today, refining is still "declining" - that is it is
not rising faster than demand - and crude prices are going up, up over $50
(actually, today, 11/10, crude is below $50, but is closer to 50 than 40)
and prices on the street are drifting downward.
So, if we are to believe that crude causes rapid price hikes, why are prices
at the pump falling? And if crude is responsible for pushing prices up
quickly, then why don't prices fall just as quickly when crude proces go
back down?
Obvioulsy crude plays a role in pump prices, my point is there are other
factors as well - some might suggest those other factors have more to do
with manipulation than actual factors. If the factors that push pump prices
around are manipulation as opposed to actual factors, then the the prices
will rise like a rocket and drop like a feather and the question remains,
"why make a gallon for a dollar when you can get away with making a
half-gallon for two dollars?"
I expect nothing for free, but I have a model of what happens in the energy
markets that has more to do with market control than supply and demand. My
model seems to hold true in any energy market, gas, electricity, natural
gas, name it. While we are suffering power outages because Edison claims
they can't make electircity fast enough, the windmills in Palm Springs are
all standing still. Something that should never stop is locked down, why is
that? It is because they can sell half for two bucks instead selling one for
one. It is entirely possible that that I am completely clueless about what
drives prices, but if that was so, then every market that I look at would
not behave the same when my model is applied. Sure, the markets are going to
_say_ that I am wrong, but the fact remains that they behave exactly as I
predict, and they behave that way even when the forces they claim to be at
work are not even present. In the gasoline market, the difference in today
and last April is the calendar and opposite directions in the movement of
the major component of the price swings back in April. Using the market's
own explanation of what was driving prices in April conflicts with where
prices are going today. But, my model fits not only today, but April as
well. I could be completely wrong, but that means the market is lying, but I
maintain the market is lying. The end result is the same, but in my model,
my eyes are open, if we believe the market, our eyes must remain closed.
Take your pick.
around 1.75 to nearly 2.50, all while crude remained steady. Now, crude is
climbing and prices at the pump are falling.
The ONLY reason this is part of the discussion is back in April when prices
were climbing, the explanation was that crude prices were rising and
refining was declining. Today, refining is still "declining" - that is it is
not rising faster than demand - and crude prices are going up, up over $50
(actually, today, 11/10, crude is below $50, but is closer to 50 than 40)
and prices on the street are drifting downward.
So, if we are to believe that crude causes rapid price hikes, why are prices
at the pump falling? And if crude is responsible for pushing prices up
quickly, then why don't prices fall just as quickly when crude proces go
back down?
Obvioulsy crude plays a role in pump prices, my point is there are other
factors as well - some might suggest those other factors have more to do
with manipulation than actual factors. If the factors that push pump prices
around are manipulation as opposed to actual factors, then the the prices
will rise like a rocket and drop like a feather and the question remains,
"why make a gallon for a dollar when you can get away with making a
half-gallon for two dollars?"
I expect nothing for free, but I have a model of what happens in the energy
markets that has more to do with market control than supply and demand. My
model seems to hold true in any energy market, gas, electricity, natural
gas, name it. While we are suffering power outages because Edison claims
they can't make electircity fast enough, the windmills in Palm Springs are
all standing still. Something that should never stop is locked down, why is
that? It is because they can sell half for two bucks instead selling one for
one. It is entirely possible that that I am completely clueless about what
drives prices, but if that was so, then every market that I look at would
not behave the same when my model is applied. Sure, the markets are going to
_say_ that I am wrong, but the fact remains that they behave exactly as I
predict, and they behave that way even when the forces they claim to be at
work are not even present. In the gasoline market, the difference in today
and last April is the calendar and opposite directions in the movement of
the major component of the price swings back in April. Using the market's
own explanation of what was driving prices in April conflicts with where
prices are going today. But, my model fits not only today, but April as
well. I could be completely wrong, but that means the market is lying, but I
maintain the market is lying. The end result is the same, but in my model,
my eyes are open, if we believe the market, our eyes must remain closed.
Take your pick.
#109
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
I wouldn't be surprised if some of his biggest campaign contributors were from
Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil so
they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about making
money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>before we do Iraq and Syria.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil so
they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about making
money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>before we do Iraq and Syria.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
#110
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
I wouldn't be surprised if some of his biggest campaign contributors were from
Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil so
they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about making
money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>before we do Iraq and Syria.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
Saudi Arabia and/or other OPEC members. The Bush's made their money in oil so
they can't ignore their arab buddies now can they? Iraq was all about making
money for Halliburton and Cheney's buddies.
> So you think Bush get a kick back from OPEC? Damn, I can't wait
>before we do Iraq and Syria.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)