OT: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
#221
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
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'97 Toyota Corolla SD
all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
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griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
#222
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
A quote from the page you pointed to: "The goal is to create a
reactor that could produce about 300 megawatts of electricity for the
grid, enough to run about 300,000 window air conditioners or produce
about 2.5 kilos of hydrogen per second. When burned, a kilo of hydrogen
has about the same energy as a gallon of regular gasoline. But fuel
cells, which work without burning, get about twice as much work out of
each unit of fuel. So if used in automotive fuel cells, the reactor
might replace more than 400,000 gallons of gasoline per day." Which
leaves us to figure it out. Knowing the average nuclear costs is about
$60.00 per megawatt hour:
http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
(a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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griffin wrote:
>
> In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
> all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
> http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
>
> Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
reactor that could produce about 300 megawatts of electricity for the
grid, enough to run about 300,000 window air conditioners or produce
about 2.5 kilos of hydrogen per second. When burned, a kilo of hydrogen
has about the same energy as a gallon of regular gasoline. But fuel
cells, which work without burning, get about twice as much work out of
each unit of fuel. So if used in automotive fuel cells, the reactor
might replace more than 400,000 gallons of gasoline per day." Which
leaves us to figure it out. Knowing the average nuclear costs is about
$60.00 per megawatt hour:
http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
(a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
> all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
> http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
>
> Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
#224
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
A quote from the page you pointed to: "The goal is to create a
reactor that could produce about 300 megawatts of electricity for the
grid, enough to run about 300,000 window air conditioners or produce
about 2.5 kilos of hydrogen per second. When burned, a kilo of hydrogen
has about the same energy as a gallon of regular gasoline. But fuel
cells, which work without burning, get about twice as much work out of
each unit of fuel. So if used in automotive fuel cells, the reactor
might replace more than 400,000 gallons of gasoline per day." Which
leaves us to figure it out. Knowing the average nuclear costs is about
$60.00 per megawatt hour:
http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
(a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
> all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
> http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
>
> Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
reactor that could produce about 300 megawatts of electricity for the
grid, enough to run about 300,000 window air conditioners or produce
about 2.5 kilos of hydrogen per second. When burned, a kilo of hydrogen
has about the same energy as a gallon of regular gasoline. But fuel
cells, which work without burning, get about twice as much work out of
each unit of fuel. So if used in automotive fuel cells, the reactor
might replace more than 400,000 gallons of gasoline per day." Which
leaves us to figure it out. Knowing the average nuclear costs is about
$60.00 per megawatt hour:
http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
(a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
> all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
> http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
>
> Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
A quote from the page you pointed to: "The goal is to create a
reactor that could produce about 300 megawatts of electricity for the
grid, enough to run about 300,000 window air conditioners or produce
about 2.5 kilos of hydrogen per second. When burned, a kilo of hydrogen
has about the same energy as a gallon of regular gasoline. But fuel
cells, which work without burning, get about twice as much work out of
each unit of fuel. So if used in automotive fuel cells, the reactor
might replace more than 400,000 gallons of gasoline per day." Which
leaves us to figure it out. Knowing the average nuclear costs is about
$60.00 per megawatt hour:
http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
(a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
> all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
> http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
>
> Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
reactor that could produce about 300 megawatts of electricity for the
grid, enough to run about 300,000 window air conditioners or produce
about 2.5 kilos of hydrogen per second. When burned, a kilo of hydrogen
has about the same energy as a gallon of regular gasoline. But fuel
cells, which work without burning, get about twice as much work out of
each unit of fuel. So if used in automotive fuel cells, the reactor
might replace more than 400,000 gallons of gasoline per day." Which
leaves us to figure it out. Knowing the average nuclear costs is about
$60.00 per megawatt hour:
http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
(a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
> all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
> http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
>
> Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
#226
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
That's a honking huge amount of construction, waste generation and
consumed energy to produce ... not a lot of fuel. Probably better in the
long run to use the generating plant to recharge electric-automobile
batteries. Hydrogen is like stupidity: They are the most commonly
occurring things in the universe, but is usually bound to something else
and you can't do very much useful with either of them.
Have you considered the accidental fire problem with hydrogen? You can't
see the flame in daylight. It'll make responding to automobile collisions
are real adventure.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, griffin wrote:
> In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
> all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
> http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
>
> Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
>
>
>
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
That's a honking huge amount of construction, waste generation and
consumed energy to produce ... not a lot of fuel. Probably better in the
long run to use the generating plant to recharge electric-automobile
batteries. Hydrogen is like stupidity: They are the most commonly
occurring things in the universe, but is usually bound to something else
and you can't do very much useful with either of them.
Have you considered the accidental fire problem with hydrogen? You can't
see the flame in daylight. It'll make responding to automobile collisions
are real adventure.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, griffin wrote:
> In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
> all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
> http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
>
> Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
>
>
>
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#228
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
That's a honking huge amount of construction, waste generation and
consumed energy to produce ... not a lot of fuel. Probably better in the
long run to use the generating plant to recharge electric-automobile
batteries. Hydrogen is like stupidity: They are the most commonly
occurring things in the universe, but is usually bound to something else
and you can't do very much useful with either of them.
Have you considered the accidental fire problem with hydrogen? You can't
see the flame in daylight. It'll make responding to automobile collisions
are real adventure.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, griffin wrote:
> In reply to a previous argument in this thread (my newsserver has deleted
> all previous posts) regarding hydrogen fuel:
> http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html
>
> Like I said before ...give 'em time ...
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
>
>
>
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by volume. TWIAVBP, local variation may occur. Dramatization, not a real
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
It's still a comparatively infantile energy idea with little supportive
research funds and a huge opposition (gas companies). Still tho, given the
advances they've made recently it could very quickly become an efficient
alternative.
There was a journal article I read at school one day about a guy in the US
who'se been working on a synthetic photosynthesis technique for quite some
time now. If he manages to successfully do what plants do (use sunlight to
convert H20 & CO2 into it's parts) then there is a potential there as well
for Hydrogen-based fuel. Storage may be a problem now ...but again ...give
'em time.
A quick google search and I got this:
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/researchbri...lay.php?id=369
I think it's the same guy.
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griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41AB06E2.48FB59C2@***.net...
> http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
> that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
> (a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
> make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
> according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
> profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
> bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
research funds and a huge opposition (gas companies). Still tho, given the
advances they've made recently it could very quickly become an efficient
alternative.
There was a journal article I read at school one day about a guy in the US
who'se been working on a synthetic photosynthesis technique for quite some
time now. If he manages to successfully do what plants do (use sunlight to
convert H20 & CO2 into it's parts) then there is a potential there as well
for Hydrogen-based fuel. Storage may be a problem now ...but again ...give
'em time.
A quick google search and I got this:
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/researchbri...lay.php?id=369
I think it's the same guy.
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41AB06E2.48FB59C2@***.net...
> http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
> that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
> (a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
> make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
> according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
> profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
> bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
#230
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Re: diesel fuel: why isn't it cheaper than gasoline?
It's still a comparatively infantile energy idea with little supportive
research funds and a huge opposition (gas companies). Still tho, given the
advances they've made recently it could very quickly become an efficient
alternative.
There was a journal article I read at school one day about a guy in the US
who'se been working on a synthetic photosynthesis technique for quite some
time now. If he manages to successfully do what plants do (use sunlight to
convert H20 & CO2 into it's parts) then there is a potential there as well
for Hydrogen-based fuel. Storage may be a problem now ...but again ...give
'em time.
A quick google search and I got this:
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/researchbri...lay.php?id=369
I think it's the same guy.
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41AB06E2.48FB59C2@***.net...
> http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
> that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
> (a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
> make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
> according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
> profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
> bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
research funds and a huge opposition (gas companies). Still tho, given the
advances they've made recently it could very quickly become an efficient
alternative.
There was a journal article I read at school one day about a guy in the US
who'se been working on a synthetic photosynthesis technique for quite some
time now. If he manages to successfully do what plants do (use sunlight to
convert H20 & CO2 into it's parts) then there is a potential there as well
for Hydrogen-based fuel. Storage may be a problem now ...but again ...give
'em time.
A quick google search and I got this:
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/researchbri...lay.php?id=369
I think it's the same guy.
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41AB06E2.48FB59C2@***.net...
> http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/conferen...Conf-EPRI8.pdf then
> that 300 megawatts hours would be $18,000.00 that will produce 2.5*60*60
> (a hour) or 9,000 kilos. Or two bucks a gallon before road taxes that
> make up the major portion of the cost of gasoline now. And of course,
> according to the article they still have to store and ship it, and give
> profit margin for the pump jockey to work on. Last year that was twenty
> bucks a gallon for the Los Angeles government test vehicles.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/