Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
They haven't even gotten that far here, Bill. I was responding to an ad in
the local paper, that was asking for substitute teachers, with a minimum
qualification of a "high school diploma". Now that may be legal according
to Colorado law and approved by the school board, but it sure isn't the best
thing for the students. They hired a Spanish teacher with no degree at all,
they regularly use "aides" with no teaching certificate to teach classes,
one of the teachers has a "mail order" teaching certificate, people are
leaving town because of the school, my neighbor's kid commutes fifty miles
each way to a school where the teachers have brains. It goes on. Thank God
my kids are all out of school, or I wouldn't have moved here. But I do
object to their wasting my money on an inferior product.
http://www.silvertoncolorado.com
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4531B199.6D1191CC@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Because it's true. The teachers will only except there liberal,
> anti American, socialist views.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > One thing I learned while I was in Spain. It is "never" past the
teasing
> > stage. You should see the letter I recently wrote to the newspaper
about
> > the local school system. Here are the good bits
> >
> > "...I have noticed that many of the local people are exceptionally
stupid...
> > ...I used to think that poor upbringing was the cause of this, but now I
> > suspect that education has something to do with it..."
> >
> > You could have knocked me over with a feather, when the newspaper editor
> > printed it! I will have to revise my opinion of her muy pronto.
> >
> > Earle
--
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the local paper, that was asking for substitute teachers, with a minimum
qualification of a "high school diploma". Now that may be legal according
to Colorado law and approved by the school board, but it sure isn't the best
thing for the students. They hired a Spanish teacher with no degree at all,
they regularly use "aides" with no teaching certificate to teach classes,
one of the teachers has a "mail order" teaching certificate, people are
leaving town because of the school, my neighbor's kid commutes fifty miles
each way to a school where the teachers have brains. It goes on. Thank God
my kids are all out of school, or I wouldn't have moved here. But I do
object to their wasting my money on an inferior product.
http://www.silvertoncolorado.com
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4531B199.6D1191CC@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Because it's true. The teachers will only except there liberal,
> anti American, socialist views.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > One thing I learned while I was in Spain. It is "never" past the
teasing
> > stage. You should see the letter I recently wrote to the newspaper
about
> > the local school system. Here are the good bits
> >
> > "...I have noticed that many of the local people are exceptionally
stupid...
> > ...I used to think that poor upbringing was the cause of this, but now I
> > suspect that education has something to do with it..."
> >
> > You could have knocked me over with a feather, when the newspaper editor
> > printed it! I will have to revise my opinion of her muy pronto.
> >
> > Earle
--
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
They haven't even gotten that far here, Bill. I was responding to an ad in
the local paper, that was asking for substitute teachers, with a minimum
qualification of a "high school diploma". Now that may be legal according
to Colorado law and approved by the school board, but it sure isn't the best
thing for the students. They hired a Spanish teacher with no degree at all,
they regularly use "aides" with no teaching certificate to teach classes,
one of the teachers has a "mail order" teaching certificate, people are
leaving town because of the school, my neighbor's kid commutes fifty miles
each way to a school where the teachers have brains. It goes on. Thank God
my kids are all out of school, or I wouldn't have moved here. But I do
object to their wasting my money on an inferior product.
http://www.silvertoncolorado.com
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4531B199.6D1191CC@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Because it's true. The teachers will only except there liberal,
> anti American, socialist views.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > One thing I learned while I was in Spain. It is "never" past the
teasing
> > stage. You should see the letter I recently wrote to the newspaper
about
> > the local school system. Here are the good bits
> >
> > "...I have noticed that many of the local people are exceptionally
stupid...
> > ...I used to think that poor upbringing was the cause of this, but now I
> > suspect that education has something to do with it..."
> >
> > You could have knocked me over with a feather, when the newspaper editor
> > printed it! I will have to revise my opinion of her muy pronto.
> >
> > Earle
--
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the local paper, that was asking for substitute teachers, with a minimum
qualification of a "high school diploma". Now that may be legal according
to Colorado law and approved by the school board, but it sure isn't the best
thing for the students. They hired a Spanish teacher with no degree at all,
they regularly use "aides" with no teaching certificate to teach classes,
one of the teachers has a "mail order" teaching certificate, people are
leaving town because of the school, my neighbor's kid commutes fifty miles
each way to a school where the teachers have brains. It goes on. Thank God
my kids are all out of school, or I wouldn't have moved here. But I do
object to their wasting my money on an inferior product.
http://www.silvertoncolorado.com
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4531B199.6D1191CC@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Because it's true. The teachers will only except there liberal,
> anti American, socialist views.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > One thing I learned while I was in Spain. It is "never" past the
teasing
> > stage. You should see the letter I recently wrote to the newspaper
about
> > the local school system. Here are the good bits
> >
> > "...I have noticed that many of the local people are exceptionally
stupid...
> > ...I used to think that poor upbringing was the cause of this, but now I
> > suspect that education has something to do with it..."
> >
> > You could have knocked me over with a feather, when the newspaper editor
> > printed it! I will have to revise my opinion of her muy pronto.
> >
> > Earle
--
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
They haven't even gotten that far here, Bill. I was responding to an ad in
the local paper, that was asking for substitute teachers, with a minimum
qualification of a "high school diploma". Now that may be legal according
to Colorado law and approved by the school board, but it sure isn't the best
thing for the students. They hired a Spanish teacher with no degree at all,
they regularly use "aides" with no teaching certificate to teach classes,
one of the teachers has a "mail order" teaching certificate, people are
leaving town because of the school, my neighbor's kid commutes fifty miles
each way to a school where the teachers have brains. It goes on. Thank God
my kids are all out of school, or I wouldn't have moved here. But I do
object to their wasting my money on an inferior product.
http://www.silvertoncolorado.com
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4531B199.6D1191CC@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Because it's true. The teachers will only except there liberal,
> anti American, socialist views.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > One thing I learned while I was in Spain. It is "never" past the
teasing
> > stage. You should see the letter I recently wrote to the newspaper
about
> > the local school system. Here are the good bits
> >
> > "...I have noticed that many of the local people are exceptionally
stupid...
> > ...I used to think that poor upbringing was the cause of this, but now I
> > suspect that education has something to do with it..."
> >
> > You could have knocked me over with a feather, when the newspaper editor
> > printed it! I will have to revise my opinion of her muy pronto.
> >
> > Earle
--
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the local paper, that was asking for substitute teachers, with a minimum
qualification of a "high school diploma". Now that may be legal according
to Colorado law and approved by the school board, but it sure isn't the best
thing for the students. They hired a Spanish teacher with no degree at all,
they regularly use "aides" with no teaching certificate to teach classes,
one of the teachers has a "mail order" teaching certificate, people are
leaving town because of the school, my neighbor's kid commutes fifty miles
each way to a school where the teachers have brains. It goes on. Thank God
my kids are all out of school, or I wouldn't have moved here. But I do
object to their wasting my money on an inferior product.
http://www.silvertoncolorado.com
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4531B199.6D1191CC@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Because it's true. The teachers will only except there liberal,
> anti American, socialist views.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > One thing I learned while I was in Spain. It is "never" past the
teasing
> > stage. You should see the letter I recently wrote to the newspaper
about
> > the local school system. Here are the good bits
> >
> > "...I have noticed that many of the local people are exceptionally
stupid...
> > ...I used to think that poor upbringing was the cause of this, but now I
> > suspect that education has something to do with it..."
> >
> > You could have knocked me over with a feather, when the newspaper editor
> > printed it! I will have to revise my opinion of her muy pronto.
> >
> > Earle
--
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
They do have a bewildering array of filters to choose from, don't they?
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:17260$45324eb0$422afc51$22475@FUSE.NET...
> Fram filters meet the minimum standards under single pass SAE J806 tests.
> They do not make other claims in writing other than they meet this spec.
>
> Some other manufacturers claim to exceed the single pass SAE J806 tests
and
> proudly promote their scores on the optional SAE J1858 multi-pass
filtration
> test.
>
> Be aware that the only requirement to satisfy your warranty protection at
> this time is passing the J806 test. If you want a filter that just passes
> the minimum standard then Fram is the filter for you.
>
> I am, of course, aware that Fram earn its place, decades ago, as the top
of
> the line in oil filtering.
>
> I do not know if Fram ceased to improve their filters somewhere along the
> line or if they intentionally took a step backwards in an effort to
decrease
> costs and maximize profits.
>
> I might add here that a superior filter would be worth some extra cost but
> the superior filters are less expensive than Fram as well.
>
> To be fair Fram does make a filter of average industry quality filter
which
> they chose to market and price as a 'premium' filter.
>
> Perhaps this is the "expensive" filter Bill is referring to, the filter
that
> adds PTFE (Teflon) to your motor oil.
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4531C24A.602718E6@***.net...
> > Hi Jeff,
> > My 350,000 on my '78 Bronco and 300,000 miles on my '89 Thunderbird
> > are on Fram filters and Pennzoil. I did switch to their more expensive
> > filters when I found one with a loose element on an oil change:
> > http://----------.com/mirror/oilfilterstudy.htm
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not making any big endorsement of Fram products, don't have any
> >> strong feelings about them, you shared your experience and I've shared
> >> mine.
> >>
> >> 300,000 miles says a lot, I don't see any need to change without some
> >> strong evidence that I should. I DID change oil with the new engine,
> >> the old one had 300,000 on Penzoil and Fram, the new one has Shell
> >> Rotella, partly because from everything I've heard it's excellent oil,
> >> and partly because it's what I use in my Studebakers and it's easier to
> >> just keep one kind of oil around.
> >>
> >> And thinking men don't throw out insults with no good reason.
> >>
> >> Jeff DeWitt
>
>
--
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Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:17260$45324eb0$422afc51$22475@FUSE.NET...
> Fram filters meet the minimum standards under single pass SAE J806 tests.
> They do not make other claims in writing other than they meet this spec.
>
> Some other manufacturers claim to exceed the single pass SAE J806 tests
and
> proudly promote their scores on the optional SAE J1858 multi-pass
filtration
> test.
>
> Be aware that the only requirement to satisfy your warranty protection at
> this time is passing the J806 test. If you want a filter that just passes
> the minimum standard then Fram is the filter for you.
>
> I am, of course, aware that Fram earn its place, decades ago, as the top
of
> the line in oil filtering.
>
> I do not know if Fram ceased to improve their filters somewhere along the
> line or if they intentionally took a step backwards in an effort to
decrease
> costs and maximize profits.
>
> I might add here that a superior filter would be worth some extra cost but
> the superior filters are less expensive than Fram as well.
>
> To be fair Fram does make a filter of average industry quality filter
which
> they chose to market and price as a 'premium' filter.
>
> Perhaps this is the "expensive" filter Bill is referring to, the filter
that
> adds PTFE (Teflon) to your motor oil.
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4531C24A.602718E6@***.net...
> > Hi Jeff,
> > My 350,000 on my '78 Bronco and 300,000 miles on my '89 Thunderbird
> > are on Fram filters and Pennzoil. I did switch to their more expensive
> > filters when I found one with a loose element on an oil change:
> > http://----------.com/mirror/oilfilterstudy.htm
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not making any big endorsement of Fram products, don't have any
> >> strong feelings about them, you shared your experience and I've shared
> >> mine.
> >>
> >> 300,000 miles says a lot, I don't see any need to change without some
> >> strong evidence that I should. I DID change oil with the new engine,
> >> the old one had 300,000 on Penzoil and Fram, the new one has Shell
> >> Rotella, partly because from everything I've heard it's excellent oil,
> >> and partly because it's what I use in my Studebakers and it's easier to
> >> just keep one kind of oil around.
> >>
> >> And thinking men don't throw out insults with no good reason.
> >>
> >> Jeff DeWitt
>
>
--
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#165
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
They do have a bewildering array of filters to choose from, don't they?
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:17260$45324eb0$422afc51$22475@FUSE.NET...
> Fram filters meet the minimum standards under single pass SAE J806 tests.
> They do not make other claims in writing other than they meet this spec.
>
> Some other manufacturers claim to exceed the single pass SAE J806 tests
and
> proudly promote their scores on the optional SAE J1858 multi-pass
filtration
> test.
>
> Be aware that the only requirement to satisfy your warranty protection at
> this time is passing the J806 test. If you want a filter that just passes
> the minimum standard then Fram is the filter for you.
>
> I am, of course, aware that Fram earn its place, decades ago, as the top
of
> the line in oil filtering.
>
> I do not know if Fram ceased to improve their filters somewhere along the
> line or if they intentionally took a step backwards in an effort to
decrease
> costs and maximize profits.
>
> I might add here that a superior filter would be worth some extra cost but
> the superior filters are less expensive than Fram as well.
>
> To be fair Fram does make a filter of average industry quality filter
which
> they chose to market and price as a 'premium' filter.
>
> Perhaps this is the "expensive" filter Bill is referring to, the filter
that
> adds PTFE (Teflon) to your motor oil.
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4531C24A.602718E6@***.net...
> > Hi Jeff,
> > My 350,000 on my '78 Bronco and 300,000 miles on my '89 Thunderbird
> > are on Fram filters and Pennzoil. I did switch to their more expensive
> > filters when I found one with a loose element on an oil change:
> > http://----------.com/mirror/oilfilterstudy.htm
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not making any big endorsement of Fram products, don't have any
> >> strong feelings about them, you shared your experience and I've shared
> >> mine.
> >>
> >> 300,000 miles says a lot, I don't see any need to change without some
> >> strong evidence that I should. I DID change oil with the new engine,
> >> the old one had 300,000 on Penzoil and Fram, the new one has Shell
> >> Rotella, partly because from everything I've heard it's excellent oil,
> >> and partly because it's what I use in my Studebakers and it's easier to
> >> just keep one kind of oil around.
> >>
> >> And thinking men don't throw out insults with no good reason.
> >>
> >> Jeff DeWitt
>
>
--
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Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:17260$45324eb0$422afc51$22475@FUSE.NET...
> Fram filters meet the minimum standards under single pass SAE J806 tests.
> They do not make other claims in writing other than they meet this spec.
>
> Some other manufacturers claim to exceed the single pass SAE J806 tests
and
> proudly promote their scores on the optional SAE J1858 multi-pass
filtration
> test.
>
> Be aware that the only requirement to satisfy your warranty protection at
> this time is passing the J806 test. If you want a filter that just passes
> the minimum standard then Fram is the filter for you.
>
> I am, of course, aware that Fram earn its place, decades ago, as the top
of
> the line in oil filtering.
>
> I do not know if Fram ceased to improve their filters somewhere along the
> line or if they intentionally took a step backwards in an effort to
decrease
> costs and maximize profits.
>
> I might add here that a superior filter would be worth some extra cost but
> the superior filters are less expensive than Fram as well.
>
> To be fair Fram does make a filter of average industry quality filter
which
> they chose to market and price as a 'premium' filter.
>
> Perhaps this is the "expensive" filter Bill is referring to, the filter
that
> adds PTFE (Teflon) to your motor oil.
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4531C24A.602718E6@***.net...
> > Hi Jeff,
> > My 350,000 on my '78 Bronco and 300,000 miles on my '89 Thunderbird
> > are on Fram filters and Pennzoil. I did switch to their more expensive
> > filters when I found one with a loose element on an oil change:
> > http://----------.com/mirror/oilfilterstudy.htm
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not making any big endorsement of Fram products, don't have any
> >> strong feelings about them, you shared your experience and I've shared
> >> mine.
> >>
> >> 300,000 miles says a lot, I don't see any need to change without some
> >> strong evidence that I should. I DID change oil with the new engine,
> >> the old one had 300,000 on Penzoil and Fram, the new one has Shell
> >> Rotella, partly because from everything I've heard it's excellent oil,
> >> and partly because it's what I use in my Studebakers and it's easier to
> >> just keep one kind of oil around.
> >>
> >> And thinking men don't throw out insults with no good reason.
> >>
> >> Jeff DeWitt
>
>
--
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#166
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
They do have a bewildering array of filters to choose from, don't they?
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:17260$45324eb0$422afc51$22475@FUSE.NET...
> Fram filters meet the minimum standards under single pass SAE J806 tests.
> They do not make other claims in writing other than they meet this spec.
>
> Some other manufacturers claim to exceed the single pass SAE J806 tests
and
> proudly promote their scores on the optional SAE J1858 multi-pass
filtration
> test.
>
> Be aware that the only requirement to satisfy your warranty protection at
> this time is passing the J806 test. If you want a filter that just passes
> the minimum standard then Fram is the filter for you.
>
> I am, of course, aware that Fram earn its place, decades ago, as the top
of
> the line in oil filtering.
>
> I do not know if Fram ceased to improve their filters somewhere along the
> line or if they intentionally took a step backwards in an effort to
decrease
> costs and maximize profits.
>
> I might add here that a superior filter would be worth some extra cost but
> the superior filters are less expensive than Fram as well.
>
> To be fair Fram does make a filter of average industry quality filter
which
> they chose to market and price as a 'premium' filter.
>
> Perhaps this is the "expensive" filter Bill is referring to, the filter
that
> adds PTFE (Teflon) to your motor oil.
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4531C24A.602718E6@***.net...
> > Hi Jeff,
> > My 350,000 on my '78 Bronco and 300,000 miles on my '89 Thunderbird
> > are on Fram filters and Pennzoil. I did switch to their more expensive
> > filters when I found one with a loose element on an oil change:
> > http://----------.com/mirror/oilfilterstudy.htm
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not making any big endorsement of Fram products, don't have any
> >> strong feelings about them, you shared your experience and I've shared
> >> mine.
> >>
> >> 300,000 miles says a lot, I don't see any need to change without some
> >> strong evidence that I should. I DID change oil with the new engine,
> >> the old one had 300,000 on Penzoil and Fram, the new one has Shell
> >> Rotella, partly because from everything I've heard it's excellent oil,
> >> and partly because it's what I use in my Studebakers and it's easier to
> >> just keep one kind of oil around.
> >>
> >> And thinking men don't throw out insults with no good reason.
> >>
> >> Jeff DeWitt
>
>
--
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Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:17260$45324eb0$422afc51$22475@FUSE.NET...
> Fram filters meet the minimum standards under single pass SAE J806 tests.
> They do not make other claims in writing other than they meet this spec.
>
> Some other manufacturers claim to exceed the single pass SAE J806 tests
and
> proudly promote their scores on the optional SAE J1858 multi-pass
filtration
> test.
>
> Be aware that the only requirement to satisfy your warranty protection at
> this time is passing the J806 test. If you want a filter that just passes
> the minimum standard then Fram is the filter for you.
>
> I am, of course, aware that Fram earn its place, decades ago, as the top
of
> the line in oil filtering.
>
> I do not know if Fram ceased to improve their filters somewhere along the
> line or if they intentionally took a step backwards in an effort to
decrease
> costs and maximize profits.
>
> I might add here that a superior filter would be worth some extra cost but
> the superior filters are less expensive than Fram as well.
>
> To be fair Fram does make a filter of average industry quality filter
which
> they chose to market and price as a 'premium' filter.
>
> Perhaps this is the "expensive" filter Bill is referring to, the filter
that
> adds PTFE (Teflon) to your motor oil.
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4531C24A.602718E6@***.net...
> > Hi Jeff,
> > My 350,000 on my '78 Bronco and 300,000 miles on my '89 Thunderbird
> > are on Fram filters and Pennzoil. I did switch to their more expensive
> > filters when I found one with a loose element on an oil change:
> > http://----------.com/mirror/oilfilterstudy.htm
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not making any big endorsement of Fram products, don't have any
> >> strong feelings about them, you shared your experience and I've shared
> >> mine.
> >>
> >> 300,000 miles says a lot, I don't see any need to change without some
> >> strong evidence that I should. I DID change oil with the new engine,
> >> the old one had 300,000 on Penzoil and Fram, the new one has Shell
> >> Rotella, partly because from everything I've heard it's excellent oil,
> >> and partly because it's what I use in my Studebakers and it's easier to
> >> just keep one kind of oil around.
> >>
> >> And thinking men don't throw out insults with no good reason.
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#167
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> I'd be interested in knowing what engine failure you blame on Fram.
> They definitely were the best when spin-ons first appeared in the mid
> fifties, their base plate was thicker, enough never to blow off as many
> did. Also made them very hard to chisel off if over tightened.
Both engines had blocked oil passages due to bits of Fram's filter media
breaking off and moving through the engine until they found a port small
enough to block; other pieces then sealed it further.
I had advance warning on a Chrysler slant-6; the rocker arm oil ports
were blocked; I pulled it apart, found the foreign material, cleaned it
and dismissed it as a probable dirty short-block I'd just installed.
Within a week, pressure suddenly dropped to near-zero and several mains
spun. Pretty much the same deal with the 2.2 (?) Rabbit engine in the
Omni; same fate, although the pan pick-up screen ended up plugged on
this one instead. This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
filters weren't worth using either.
> I'd be interested in knowing what engine failure you blame on Fram.
> They definitely were the best when spin-ons first appeared in the mid
> fifties, their base plate was thicker, enough never to blow off as many
> did. Also made them very hard to chisel off if over tightened.
Both engines had blocked oil passages due to bits of Fram's filter media
breaking off and moving through the engine until they found a port small
enough to block; other pieces then sealed it further.
I had advance warning on a Chrysler slant-6; the rocker arm oil ports
were blocked; I pulled it apart, found the foreign material, cleaned it
and dismissed it as a probable dirty short-block I'd just installed.
Within a week, pressure suddenly dropped to near-zero and several mains
spun. Pretty much the same deal with the 2.2 (?) Rabbit engine in the
Omni; same fate, although the pan pick-up screen ended up plugged on
this one instead. This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
filters weren't worth using either.
#168
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> I'd be interested in knowing what engine failure you blame on Fram.
> They definitely were the best when spin-ons first appeared in the mid
> fifties, their base plate was thicker, enough never to blow off as many
> did. Also made them very hard to chisel off if over tightened.
Both engines had blocked oil passages due to bits of Fram's filter media
breaking off and moving through the engine until they found a port small
enough to block; other pieces then sealed it further.
I had advance warning on a Chrysler slant-6; the rocker arm oil ports
were blocked; I pulled it apart, found the foreign material, cleaned it
and dismissed it as a probable dirty short-block I'd just installed.
Within a week, pressure suddenly dropped to near-zero and several mains
spun. Pretty much the same deal with the 2.2 (?) Rabbit engine in the
Omni; same fate, although the pan pick-up screen ended up plugged on
this one instead. This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
filters weren't worth using either.
> I'd be interested in knowing what engine failure you blame on Fram.
> They definitely were the best when spin-ons first appeared in the mid
> fifties, their base plate was thicker, enough never to blow off as many
> did. Also made them very hard to chisel off if over tightened.
Both engines had blocked oil passages due to bits of Fram's filter media
breaking off and moving through the engine until they found a port small
enough to block; other pieces then sealed it further.
I had advance warning on a Chrysler slant-6; the rocker arm oil ports
were blocked; I pulled it apart, found the foreign material, cleaned it
and dismissed it as a probable dirty short-block I'd just installed.
Within a week, pressure suddenly dropped to near-zero and several mains
spun. Pretty much the same deal with the 2.2 (?) Rabbit engine in the
Omni; same fate, although the pan pick-up screen ended up plugged on
this one instead. This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
filters weren't worth using either.
#169
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> I'd be interested in knowing what engine failure you blame on Fram.
> They definitely were the best when spin-ons first appeared in the mid
> fifties, their base plate was thicker, enough never to blow off as many
> did. Also made them very hard to chisel off if over tightened.
Both engines had blocked oil passages due to bits of Fram's filter media
breaking off and moving through the engine until they found a port small
enough to block; other pieces then sealed it further.
I had advance warning on a Chrysler slant-6; the rocker arm oil ports
were blocked; I pulled it apart, found the foreign material, cleaned it
and dismissed it as a probable dirty short-block I'd just installed.
Within a week, pressure suddenly dropped to near-zero and several mains
spun. Pretty much the same deal with the 2.2 (?) Rabbit engine in the
Omni; same fate, although the pan pick-up screen ended up plugged on
this one instead. This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
filters weren't worth using either.
> I'd be interested in knowing what engine failure you blame on Fram.
> They definitely were the best when spin-ons first appeared in the mid
> fifties, their base plate was thicker, enough never to blow off as many
> did. Also made them very hard to chisel off if over tightened.
Both engines had blocked oil passages due to bits of Fram's filter media
breaking off and moving through the engine until they found a port small
enough to block; other pieces then sealed it further.
I had advance warning on a Chrysler slant-6; the rocker arm oil ports
were blocked; I pulled it apart, found the foreign material, cleaned it
and dismissed it as a probable dirty short-block I'd just installed.
Within a week, pressure suddenly dropped to near-zero and several mains
spun. Pretty much the same deal with the 2.2 (?) Rabbit engine in the
Omni; same fate, although the pan pick-up screen ended up plugged on
this one instead. This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
filters weren't worth using either.
#170
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
>I might add here that a superior filter would be worth some extra cost
>but the superior filters are less expensive than Fram as well.
Good point; I can't see using a lesser-quality filter that costs more.
I can't see using a lesser-quality filter for any price, for that
matter. I've had actual engine failure from junk filters; just bad luck
maybe. I also had a a Fram PCV valve come apart once, dropping pieces
of plastic, a spring and a steel plunger down into the overhead
valvetrain assembly; found most of it after pulling the cover, and the
rest ended up in the oil filter. Had to sweat another plugged oil
passage from that wonderful little incident as well. Nope, nononono, no
more Fram-anything for me, ever.
>but the superior filters are less expensive than Fram as well.
Good point; I can't see using a lesser-quality filter that costs more.
I can't see using a lesser-quality filter for any price, for that
matter. I've had actual engine failure from junk filters; just bad luck
maybe. I also had a a Fram PCV valve come apart once, dropping pieces
of plastic, a spring and a steel plunger down into the overhead
valvetrain assembly; found most of it after pulling the cover, and the
rest ended up in the oil filter. Had to sweat another plugged oil
passage from that wonderful little incident as well. Nope, nononono, no
more Fram-anything for me, ever.