Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
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billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
Billy ray!
Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
actually wrong with it!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
> >> smell)
> >
> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
> > very clean.
> >>
> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
> >> is
> >> it supposed to be?
> >>
> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
> > fine.
> >>
> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> >
> >> question but there is a rational reason)
> >
> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
> > a
> >>
> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
> >>
> >
> > I'll have him check that...
> >
Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
actually wrong with it!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
> >> smell)
> >
> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
> > very clean.
> >>
> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
> >> is
> >> it supposed to be?
> >>
> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
> > fine.
> >>
> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> >
> >> question but there is a rational reason)
> >
> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
> > a
> >>
> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
> >>
> >
> > I'll have him check that...
> >
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
Billy ray!
Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
actually wrong with it!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
> >> smell)
> >
> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
> > very clean.
> >>
> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
> >> is
> >> it supposed to be?
> >>
> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
> > fine.
> >>
> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> >
> >> question but there is a rational reason)
> >
> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
> > a
> >>
> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
> >>
> >
> > I'll have him check that...
> >
Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
actually wrong with it!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
> >> smell)
> >
> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
> > very clean.
> >>
> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
> >> is
> >> it supposed to be?
> >>
> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
> > fine.
> >>
> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> >
> >> question but there is a rational reason)
> >
> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
> > a
> >>
> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
> >>
> >
> > I'll have him check that...
> >
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
Billy ray!
Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
actually wrong with it!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
> >> smell)
> >
> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
> > very clean.
> >>
> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
> >> is
> >> it supposed to be?
> >>
> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
> > fine.
> >>
> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> >
> >> question but there is a rational reason)
> >
> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
> > a
> >>
> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
> >>
> >
> > I'll have him check that...
> >
Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
actually wrong with it!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
billy ray wrote:
>
> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>
> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>
> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant recently
> changed.
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
> >> smell)
> >
> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
> > very clean.
> >>
> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
> >> is
> >> it supposed to be?
> >>
> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
> > fine.
> >>
> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> >
> >> question but there is a rational reason)
> >
> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
> > a
> >>
> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
> >>
> >
> > I'll have him check that...
> >
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
Later, "low pressure oil noises" sound about the same, as silence. ;^)
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:34069$45347994$422afc51$6908@FUSE.NET...
> Low oil pressure noises sound like you placed a bag of marbles in an empty
> paint can and shook them as hard as you could.
>
> I know several guys that have complained of 'valve' noise that went away
> when they replaced the Fram filter with another brand
>
> You might want to go to your corner auto parts store and pick up an STP,
AC
> Delco, Purolator, Wix, Baldwin, Bosch, NAPA, champion, motorcraft, Deutch,
> mahle, or Mann.
>
> I'm sure there are other good major name brands that have slipped my mind
> but it is almost 2:30 AM, pick one of these because Fram also makes a
number
> of other brand and generic brand filters and you want to avoid them also.
>
> You needn't change the oil, just replace the filter and top off any oil
loss
>
>
> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency, smell)
>
> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
is
> it supposed to be?
>
> What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> question but there is a rational reason)
>
> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161035027.189830.62390@e3g2000cwe.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> If your mechanical gauge shows okay oil pressure the problem is in the
> >> sender, wiring, computer, or dash gauge or the grounds for those
> >> components
> >>
> >> If you had NO oil pressure you could not stand to be near the engine
> >> because
> >> of the horrible noises coming out of it.
> >>
> >> Imagine you took that big tin tub your grandmother used to handwash
> >> laundry
> >> in an threw in a handful of nuts and bolts, broken tools and then
caught
> >> a
> >> couple neighborhood cats and a pit bull and tossed them into the tub,
> >> slammed a piece of plywood on top and started beating the sides as hard
> >> and
> >> fast as you could with a tire iron. That noise you would be hearing
> >> would
> >> be a fraction of the noise an engine without oil makes. Before a motor
> >> seizes it actually 'cries and moans in pain'
> >>
> >> And seizing is what it would surely do it you tried to run it more than
a
> >> minute or two without oil. As you have been driving it for a week I
> >> doubt
> >> that is the problem.
> >
> > Is it possible that the gauge is sensing "LOW" vs "NO" oil pressure?
> > I guess I will find out tomorrow, but seeing as this has gone on for
> > THREE WEEKS (one week of driving) I'm anxious to fix the cause of the
> > problem- if there is one. It just seems that the engine doesn't
> > respond as well when the gauge is at the bottom.
> >
> > Few Other Notes:
> >
> > -When I check the dipstick after driving 20-30 minutes, I notice that
> > the oil on the stick has bubbles. I also hear a CHIRPING noise coming
> > from the engine.
> >
> > -I'm using a Fram Tough Guard filter.
> >
> > -I used a 6 quarts of 10-30 Penzoil Synthetic- in the past I've used 5
> > synthetic 1 Lucas
> >
> > And again, the car has 164,000 miles on it.
> >
> > THX TO ALL!
> >
>
>
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Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:34069$45347994$422afc51$6908@FUSE.NET...
> Low oil pressure noises sound like you placed a bag of marbles in an empty
> paint can and shook them as hard as you could.
>
> I know several guys that have complained of 'valve' noise that went away
> when they replaced the Fram filter with another brand
>
> You might want to go to your corner auto parts store and pick up an STP,
AC
> Delco, Purolator, Wix, Baldwin, Bosch, NAPA, champion, motorcraft, Deutch,
> mahle, or Mann.
>
> I'm sure there are other good major name brands that have slipped my mind
> but it is almost 2:30 AM, pick one of these because Fram also makes a
number
> of other brand and generic brand filters and you want to avoid them also.
>
> You needn't change the oil, just replace the filter and top off any oil
loss
>
>
> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency, smell)
>
> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
is
> it supposed to be?
>
> What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> question but there is a rational reason)
>
> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161035027.189830.62390@e3g2000cwe.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> If your mechanical gauge shows okay oil pressure the problem is in the
> >> sender, wiring, computer, or dash gauge or the grounds for those
> >> components
> >>
> >> If you had NO oil pressure you could not stand to be near the engine
> >> because
> >> of the horrible noises coming out of it.
> >>
> >> Imagine you took that big tin tub your grandmother used to handwash
> >> laundry
> >> in an threw in a handful of nuts and bolts, broken tools and then
caught
> >> a
> >> couple neighborhood cats and a pit bull and tossed them into the tub,
> >> slammed a piece of plywood on top and started beating the sides as hard
> >> and
> >> fast as you could with a tire iron. That noise you would be hearing
> >> would
> >> be a fraction of the noise an engine without oil makes. Before a motor
> >> seizes it actually 'cries and moans in pain'
> >>
> >> And seizing is what it would surely do it you tried to run it more than
a
> >> minute or two without oil. As you have been driving it for a week I
> >> doubt
> >> that is the problem.
> >
> > Is it possible that the gauge is sensing "LOW" vs "NO" oil pressure?
> > I guess I will find out tomorrow, but seeing as this has gone on for
> > THREE WEEKS (one week of driving) I'm anxious to fix the cause of the
> > problem- if there is one. It just seems that the engine doesn't
> > respond as well when the gauge is at the bottom.
> >
> > Few Other Notes:
> >
> > -When I check the dipstick after driving 20-30 minutes, I notice that
> > the oil on the stick has bubbles. I also hear a CHIRPING noise coming
> > from the engine.
> >
> > -I'm using a Fram Tough Guard filter.
> >
> > -I used a 6 quarts of 10-30 Penzoil Synthetic- in the past I've used 5
> > synthetic 1 Lucas
> >
> > And again, the car has 164,000 miles on it.
> >
> > THX TO ALL!
> >
>
>
--
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
Later, "low pressure oil noises" sound about the same, as silence. ;^)
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:34069$45347994$422afc51$6908@FUSE.NET...
> Low oil pressure noises sound like you placed a bag of marbles in an empty
> paint can and shook them as hard as you could.
>
> I know several guys that have complained of 'valve' noise that went away
> when they replaced the Fram filter with another brand
>
> You might want to go to your corner auto parts store and pick up an STP,
AC
> Delco, Purolator, Wix, Baldwin, Bosch, NAPA, champion, motorcraft, Deutch,
> mahle, or Mann.
>
> I'm sure there are other good major name brands that have slipped my mind
> but it is almost 2:30 AM, pick one of these because Fram also makes a
number
> of other brand and generic brand filters and you want to avoid them also.
>
> You needn't change the oil, just replace the filter and top off any oil
loss
>
>
> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency, smell)
>
> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
is
> it supposed to be?
>
> What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> question but there is a rational reason)
>
> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161035027.189830.62390@e3g2000cwe.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> If your mechanical gauge shows okay oil pressure the problem is in the
> >> sender, wiring, computer, or dash gauge or the grounds for those
> >> components
> >>
> >> If you had NO oil pressure you could not stand to be near the engine
> >> because
> >> of the horrible noises coming out of it.
> >>
> >> Imagine you took that big tin tub your grandmother used to handwash
> >> laundry
> >> in an threw in a handful of nuts and bolts, broken tools and then
caught
> >> a
> >> couple neighborhood cats and a pit bull and tossed them into the tub,
> >> slammed a piece of plywood on top and started beating the sides as hard
> >> and
> >> fast as you could with a tire iron. That noise you would be hearing
> >> would
> >> be a fraction of the noise an engine without oil makes. Before a motor
> >> seizes it actually 'cries and moans in pain'
> >>
> >> And seizing is what it would surely do it you tried to run it more than
a
> >> minute or two without oil. As you have been driving it for a week I
> >> doubt
> >> that is the problem.
> >
> > Is it possible that the gauge is sensing "LOW" vs "NO" oil pressure?
> > I guess I will find out tomorrow, but seeing as this has gone on for
> > THREE WEEKS (one week of driving) I'm anxious to fix the cause of the
> > problem- if there is one. It just seems that the engine doesn't
> > respond as well when the gauge is at the bottom.
> >
> > Few Other Notes:
> >
> > -When I check the dipstick after driving 20-30 minutes, I notice that
> > the oil on the stick has bubbles. I also hear a CHIRPING noise coming
> > from the engine.
> >
> > -I'm using a Fram Tough Guard filter.
> >
> > -I used a 6 quarts of 10-30 Penzoil Synthetic- in the past I've used 5
> > synthetic 1 Lucas
> >
> > And again, the car has 164,000 miles on it.
> >
> > THX TO ALL!
> >
>
>
--
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Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:34069$45347994$422afc51$6908@FUSE.NET...
> Low oil pressure noises sound like you placed a bag of marbles in an empty
> paint can and shook them as hard as you could.
>
> I know several guys that have complained of 'valve' noise that went away
> when they replaced the Fram filter with another brand
>
> You might want to go to your corner auto parts store and pick up an STP,
AC
> Delco, Purolator, Wix, Baldwin, Bosch, NAPA, champion, motorcraft, Deutch,
> mahle, or Mann.
>
> I'm sure there are other good major name brands that have slipped my mind
> but it is almost 2:30 AM, pick one of these because Fram also makes a
number
> of other brand and generic brand filters and you want to avoid them also.
>
> You needn't change the oil, just replace the filter and top off any oil
loss
>
>
> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency, smell)
>
> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
is
> it supposed to be?
>
> What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> question but there is a rational reason)
>
> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161035027.189830.62390@e3g2000cwe.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> If your mechanical gauge shows okay oil pressure the problem is in the
> >> sender, wiring, computer, or dash gauge or the grounds for those
> >> components
> >>
> >> If you had NO oil pressure you could not stand to be near the engine
> >> because
> >> of the horrible noises coming out of it.
> >>
> >> Imagine you took that big tin tub your grandmother used to handwash
> >> laundry
> >> in an threw in a handful of nuts and bolts, broken tools and then
caught
> >> a
> >> couple neighborhood cats and a pit bull and tossed them into the tub,
> >> slammed a piece of plywood on top and started beating the sides as hard
> >> and
> >> fast as you could with a tire iron. That noise you would be hearing
> >> would
> >> be a fraction of the noise an engine without oil makes. Before a motor
> >> seizes it actually 'cries and moans in pain'
> >>
> >> And seizing is what it would surely do it you tried to run it more than
a
> >> minute or two without oil. As you have been driving it for a week I
> >> doubt
> >> that is the problem.
> >
> > Is it possible that the gauge is sensing "LOW" vs "NO" oil pressure?
> > I guess I will find out tomorrow, but seeing as this has gone on for
> > THREE WEEKS (one week of driving) I'm anxious to fix the cause of the
> > problem- if there is one. It just seems that the engine doesn't
> > respond as well when the gauge is at the bottom.
> >
> > Few Other Notes:
> >
> > -When I check the dipstick after driving 20-30 minutes, I notice that
> > the oil on the stick has bubbles. I also hear a CHIRPING noise coming
> > from the engine.
> >
> > -I'm using a Fram Tough Guard filter.
> >
> > -I used a 6 quarts of 10-30 Penzoil Synthetic- in the past I've used 5
> > synthetic 1 Lucas
> >
> > And again, the car has 164,000 miles on it.
> >
> > THX TO ALL!
> >
>
>
--
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
Later, "low pressure oil noises" sound about the same, as silence. ;^)
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:34069$45347994$422afc51$6908@FUSE.NET...
> Low oil pressure noises sound like you placed a bag of marbles in an empty
> paint can and shook them as hard as you could.
>
> I know several guys that have complained of 'valve' noise that went away
> when they replaced the Fram filter with another brand
>
> You might want to go to your corner auto parts store and pick up an STP,
AC
> Delco, Purolator, Wix, Baldwin, Bosch, NAPA, champion, motorcraft, Deutch,
> mahle, or Mann.
>
> I'm sure there are other good major name brands that have slipped my mind
> but it is almost 2:30 AM, pick one of these because Fram also makes a
number
> of other brand and generic brand filters and you want to avoid them also.
>
> You needn't change the oil, just replace the filter and top off any oil
loss
>
>
> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency, smell)
>
> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
is
> it supposed to be?
>
> What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> question but there is a rational reason)
>
> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161035027.189830.62390@e3g2000cwe.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> If your mechanical gauge shows okay oil pressure the problem is in the
> >> sender, wiring, computer, or dash gauge or the grounds for those
> >> components
> >>
> >> If you had NO oil pressure you could not stand to be near the engine
> >> because
> >> of the horrible noises coming out of it.
> >>
> >> Imagine you took that big tin tub your grandmother used to handwash
> >> laundry
> >> in an threw in a handful of nuts and bolts, broken tools and then
caught
> >> a
> >> couple neighborhood cats and a pit bull and tossed them into the tub,
> >> slammed a piece of plywood on top and started beating the sides as hard
> >> and
> >> fast as you could with a tire iron. That noise you would be hearing
> >> would
> >> be a fraction of the noise an engine without oil makes. Before a motor
> >> seizes it actually 'cries and moans in pain'
> >>
> >> And seizing is what it would surely do it you tried to run it more than
a
> >> minute or two without oil. As you have been driving it for a week I
> >> doubt
> >> that is the problem.
> >
> > Is it possible that the gauge is sensing "LOW" vs "NO" oil pressure?
> > I guess I will find out tomorrow, but seeing as this has gone on for
> > THREE WEEKS (one week of driving) I'm anxious to fix the cause of the
> > problem- if there is one. It just seems that the engine doesn't
> > respond as well when the gauge is at the bottom.
> >
> > Few Other Notes:
> >
> > -When I check the dipstick after driving 20-30 minutes, I notice that
> > the oil on the stick has bubbles. I also hear a CHIRPING noise coming
> > from the engine.
> >
> > -I'm using a Fram Tough Guard filter.
> >
> > -I used a 6 quarts of 10-30 Penzoil Synthetic- in the past I've used 5
> > synthetic 1 Lucas
> >
> > And again, the car has 164,000 miles on it.
> >
> > THX TO ALL!
> >
>
>
--
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Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:34069$45347994$422afc51$6908@FUSE.NET...
> Low oil pressure noises sound like you placed a bag of marbles in an empty
> paint can and shook them as hard as you could.
>
> I know several guys that have complained of 'valve' noise that went away
> when they replaced the Fram filter with another brand
>
> You might want to go to your corner auto parts store and pick up an STP,
AC
> Delco, Purolator, Wix, Baldwin, Bosch, NAPA, champion, motorcraft, Deutch,
> mahle, or Mann.
>
> I'm sure there are other good major name brands that have slipped my mind
> but it is almost 2:30 AM, pick one of these because Fram also makes a
number
> of other brand and generic brand filters and you want to avoid them also.
>
> You needn't change the oil, just replace the filter and top off any oil
loss
>
>
> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency, smell)
>
> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What color
is
> it supposed to be?
>
> What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
> question but there is a rational reason)
>
> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any looks
> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>
> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161035027.189830.62390@e3g2000cwe.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> If your mechanical gauge shows okay oil pressure the problem is in the
> >> sender, wiring, computer, or dash gauge or the grounds for those
> >> components
> >>
> >> If you had NO oil pressure you could not stand to be near the engine
> >> because
> >> of the horrible noises coming out of it.
> >>
> >> Imagine you took that big tin tub your grandmother used to handwash
> >> laundry
> >> in an threw in a handful of nuts and bolts, broken tools and then
caught
> >> a
> >> couple neighborhood cats and a pit bull and tossed them into the tub,
> >> slammed a piece of plywood on top and started beating the sides as hard
> >> and
> >> fast as you could with a tire iron. That noise you would be hearing
> >> would
> >> be a fraction of the noise an engine without oil makes. Before a motor
> >> seizes it actually 'cries and moans in pain'
> >>
> >> And seizing is what it would surely do it you tried to run it more than
a
> >> minute or two without oil. As you have been driving it for a week I
> >> doubt
> >> that is the problem.
> >
> > Is it possible that the gauge is sensing "LOW" vs "NO" oil pressure?
> > I guess I will find out tomorrow, but seeing as this has gone on for
> > THREE WEEKS (one week of driving) I'm anxious to fix the cause of the
> > problem- if there is one. It just seems that the engine doesn't
> > respond as well when the gauge is at the bottom.
> >
> > Few Other Notes:
> >
> > -When I check the dipstick after driving 20-30 minutes, I notice that
> > the oil on the stick has bubbles. I also hear a CHIRPING noise coming
> > from the engine.
> >
> > -I'm using a Fram Tough Guard filter.
> >
> > -I used a 6 quarts of 10-30 Penzoil Synthetic- in the past I've used 5
> > synthetic 1 Lucas
> >
> > And again, the car has 164,000 miles on it.
> >
> > THX TO ALL!
> >
>
>
--
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
Yeah........ How was your wheeling this weekend?
There was someone over the weekend who needed your help with a BBD.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4534F59E.DD2F584@sympatico.ca...
> Billy ray!
>
> Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
> psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
> actually wrong with it!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
>> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>>
>> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
>> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>>
>> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
>> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
>> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
>> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant
>> recently
>> changed.
>>
>> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
>> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
>> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
>> >> smell)
>> >
>> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
>> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
>> > very clean.
>> >>
>> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What
>> >> color
>> >> is
>> >> it supposed to be?
>> >>
>> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
>> > fine.
>> >>
>> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
>> >
>> >> question but there is a rational reason)
>> >
>> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
>> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
>> > a
>> >>
>> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any
>> >> looks
>> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'll have him check that...
>> >
There was someone over the weekend who needed your help with a BBD.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4534F59E.DD2F584@sympatico.ca...
> Billy ray!
>
> Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
> psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
> actually wrong with it!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
>> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>>
>> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
>> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>>
>> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
>> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
>> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
>> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant
>> recently
>> changed.
>>
>> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
>> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
>> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
>> >> smell)
>> >
>> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
>> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
>> > very clean.
>> >>
>> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What
>> >> color
>> >> is
>> >> it supposed to be?
>> >>
>> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
>> > fine.
>> >>
>> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
>> >
>> >> question but there is a rational reason)
>> >
>> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
>> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
>> > a
>> >>
>> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any
>> >> looks
>> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'll have him check that...
>> >
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Re: Oil Pressure Hits Zero And Stays There- JGC '96
Yeah........ How was your wheeling this weekend?
There was someone over the weekend who needed your help with a BBD.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4534F59E.DD2F584@sympatico.ca...
> Billy ray!
>
> Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
> psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
> actually wrong with it!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
>> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>>
>> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
>> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>>
>> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
>> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
>> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
>> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant
>> recently
>> changed.
>>
>> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
>> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
>> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
>> >> smell)
>> >
>> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
>> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
>> > very clean.
>> >>
>> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What
>> >> color
>> >> is
>> >> it supposed to be?
>> >>
>> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
>> > fine.
>> >>
>> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
>> >
>> >> question but there is a rational reason)
>> >
>> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
>> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
>> > a
>> >>
>> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any
>> >> looks
>> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'll have him check that...
>> >
There was someone over the weekend who needed your help with a BBD.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4534F59E.DD2F584@sympatico.ca...
> Billy ray!
>
> Don't send this fool on any more wild goose chases! His engine at 'zero
> psi' for oil pressure would have failed long ago if anything was
> actually wrong with it!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> If coolant had gotten into the oil it would look like a milkshake ....
>> almost exactly like a milkshake.
>>
>> If you were burning coolant the exhaust would smell 'sweet' and that
>> sparkplug would be dramatically cleaner than the others.
>>
>> If oil was in the coolant you would see globules or an oily layer,or it
>> would smell faintly of exhaust, or may be full of air bubbles from the
>> compressed gasses inside the engine or maybe the bubbles are from the
>> cooling system 'burping' itself if the level is low or the coolant
>> recently
>> changed.
>>
>> "NJPainter" <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161093924.172633.67370@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
>> > I've got a Pure One Filter, ready to go. I've compared the inlet holes
>> > and they are wider than the Fram Tough Guard.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bubbles? What does the oil actually LOOK like? (color consistency,
>> >> smell)
>> >
>> > With only 150 miles on it, the consistency is thin, smells like oil,
>> > and has a slightly amber color. Since we flushed it, the oil has been
>> > very clean.
>> >>
>> >> What does the coolant look like? (color consistency, smell) What
>> >> color
>> >> is
>> >> it supposed to be?
>> >>
>> > It's green. Mechanic tested it- it performs up to 195. He said it was
>> > fine.
>> >>
>> > What does the exhaust 'smell' like? (I realize this sounds like an odd
>> >
>> >> question but there is a rational reason)
>> >
>> > I'll do the smell test when I go out. What smells am I looking for? I
>> > know there isn't unspent fuel in there, butbesides that I haven't made
>> > a
>> >>
>> >> If you have a spark plug wrench pull the plugs and tell me if any
>> >> looks
>> >> 'different' than the others...an what the difference is....
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'll have him check that...
>> >