Jeep Toad
09-07-2006, 10:13 PM
#211
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Re: Jeep Toad
Well, in your case, the horse can't drink because it is a horse's *ss at
both ends.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> I have noticed your inability to use our internet! A real problem
> with other bleeding heart liberal limp wackos. We may lead a horse to
> water but we can't make him drink!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>You might also notice that on occasion, Bill's ability and willingness
>>to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
>>monkey and google about as useful.
both ends.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> I have noticed your inability to use our internet! A real problem
> with other bleeding heart liberal limp wackos. We may lead a horse to
> water but we can't make him drink!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>You might also notice that on occasion, Bill's ability and willingness
>>to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
>>monkey and google about as useful.
09-07-2006, 11:46 PM
#212
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Re: Jeep Toad
There you go again with a personal insult when confronted by facts.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Well, in your case, the horse can't drink because it is a horse's *ss at
> both ends.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Well, in your case, the horse can't drink because it is a horse's *ss at
> both ends.
09-07-2006, 11:46 PM
#213
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Re: Jeep Toad
There you go again with a personal insult when confronted by facts.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Well, in your case, the horse can't drink because it is a horse's *ss at
> both ends.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Well, in your case, the horse can't drink because it is a horse's *ss at
> both ends.
09-07-2006, 11:46 PM
#214
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Re: Jeep Toad
There you go again with a personal insult when confronted by facts.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Well, in your case, the horse can't drink because it is a horse's *ss at
> both ends.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Well, in your case, the horse can't drink because it is a horse's *ss at
> both ends.
09-08-2006, 02:36 AM
#215
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Re: Jeep Toad
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 01:13:36 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
> Tom Greening wrote:
> > mabar wrote:
> >
> >> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> >> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
> >>
> >> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> >>
> >>> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> >>> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> >>> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> >>> libby useless on dirt roads:
> >>> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> >>> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>> mailto:--------------------
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hazarding a guess I'd say it's because the drums actually offer more
> > stopping power and are less susceptible to brake fade. Disks are
> > lighter but not as powerful. For us they also handle mud better than
> > drums do, which isn't really a consideration for the average tractor.
> >
> > Of course the real FACTS may completely different than the guess I
> > hazard. :)
>
> Well... drums are MORE susceptible to fade, that's one of the advantages
> of disks. When a drum gets hot it will expand away from the shoes,
> while when a disk gets hot it will get closer to the shoes.
>
> I think all other things being equal disks are going to be more powerful
> too, because it's easier to squeeze things together than apart.
>
> However with the drums you can get more swept area, so all other things
> AREN'T equal.
Minor correction, Jeff. Disc brakes require MORE pressure to operate
- a lot more. Check the size of the pistons in the front calipers
versus the size of the pistons in the rear cylinders (or try stopping
with discs and no power assist <g>). Also, with drums, you can (and
most modern systems do) get a mechanical boost that increases the
braking pressure on a drum/shoe where you can't on discs.
Where you got it dead on is the heat issue. Disc brakes are much less
suceptable to fade. They also handle water better due the the extra
pressure, a larger open surface, and the wiping action of the pads.
Then there is the real reason: disc brake assemblies are lighter and
cheaper for given braking power.
--
Will Honea
wrote:
> Tom Greening wrote:
> > mabar wrote:
> >
> >> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> >> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
> >>
> >> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> >>
> >>> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> >>> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> >>> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> >>> libby useless on dirt roads:
> >>> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> >>> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>> mailto:--------------------
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hazarding a guess I'd say it's because the drums actually offer more
> > stopping power and are less susceptible to brake fade. Disks are
> > lighter but not as powerful. For us they also handle mud better than
> > drums do, which isn't really a consideration for the average tractor.
> >
> > Of course the real FACTS may completely different than the guess I
> > hazard. :)
>
> Well... drums are MORE susceptible to fade, that's one of the advantages
> of disks. When a drum gets hot it will expand away from the shoes,
> while when a disk gets hot it will get closer to the shoes.
>
> I think all other things being equal disks are going to be more powerful
> too, because it's easier to squeeze things together than apart.
>
> However with the drums you can get more swept area, so all other things
> AREN'T equal.
Minor correction, Jeff. Disc brakes require MORE pressure to operate
- a lot more. Check the size of the pistons in the front calipers
versus the size of the pistons in the rear cylinders (or try stopping
with discs and no power assist <g>). Also, with drums, you can (and
most modern systems do) get a mechanical boost that increases the
braking pressure on a drum/shoe where you can't on discs.
Where you got it dead on is the heat issue. Disc brakes are much less
suceptable to fade. They also handle water better due the the extra
pressure, a larger open surface, and the wiping action of the pads.
Then there is the real reason: disc brake assemblies are lighter and
cheaper for given braking power.
--
Will Honea
09-08-2006, 02:36 AM
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Re: Jeep Toad
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 01:13:36 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
> Tom Greening wrote:
> > mabar wrote:
> >
> >> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> >> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
> >>
> >> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> >>
> >>> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> >>> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> >>> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> >>> libby useless on dirt roads:
> >>> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> >>> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>> mailto:--------------------
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hazarding a guess I'd say it's because the drums actually offer more
> > stopping power and are less susceptible to brake fade. Disks are
> > lighter but not as powerful. For us they also handle mud better than
> > drums do, which isn't really a consideration for the average tractor.
> >
> > Of course the real FACTS may completely different than the guess I
> > hazard. :)
>
> Well... drums are MORE susceptible to fade, that's one of the advantages
> of disks. When a drum gets hot it will expand away from the shoes,
> while when a disk gets hot it will get closer to the shoes.
>
> I think all other things being equal disks are going to be more powerful
> too, because it's easier to squeeze things together than apart.
>
> However with the drums you can get more swept area, so all other things
> AREN'T equal.
Minor correction, Jeff. Disc brakes require MORE pressure to operate
- a lot more. Check the size of the pistons in the front calipers
versus the size of the pistons in the rear cylinders (or try stopping
with discs and no power assist <g>). Also, with drums, you can (and
most modern systems do) get a mechanical boost that increases the
braking pressure on a drum/shoe where you can't on discs.
Where you got it dead on is the heat issue. Disc brakes are much less
suceptable to fade. They also handle water better due the the extra
pressure, a larger open surface, and the wiping action of the pads.
Then there is the real reason: disc brake assemblies are lighter and
cheaper for given braking power.
--
Will Honea
wrote:
> Tom Greening wrote:
> > mabar wrote:
> >
> >> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> >> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
> >>
> >> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> >>
> >>> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> >>> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> >>> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> >>> libby useless on dirt roads:
> >>> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> >>> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>> mailto:--------------------
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hazarding a guess I'd say it's because the drums actually offer more
> > stopping power and are less susceptible to brake fade. Disks are
> > lighter but not as powerful. For us they also handle mud better than
> > drums do, which isn't really a consideration for the average tractor.
> >
> > Of course the real FACTS may completely different than the guess I
> > hazard. :)
>
> Well... drums are MORE susceptible to fade, that's one of the advantages
> of disks. When a drum gets hot it will expand away from the shoes,
> while when a disk gets hot it will get closer to the shoes.
>
> I think all other things being equal disks are going to be more powerful
> too, because it's easier to squeeze things together than apart.
>
> However with the drums you can get more swept area, so all other things
> AREN'T equal.
Minor correction, Jeff. Disc brakes require MORE pressure to operate
- a lot more. Check the size of the pistons in the front calipers
versus the size of the pistons in the rear cylinders (or try stopping
with discs and no power assist <g>). Also, with drums, you can (and
most modern systems do) get a mechanical boost that increases the
braking pressure on a drum/shoe where you can't on discs.
Where you got it dead on is the heat issue. Disc brakes are much less
suceptable to fade. They also handle water better due the the extra
pressure, a larger open surface, and the wiping action of the pads.
Then there is the real reason: disc brake assemblies are lighter and
cheaper for given braking power.
--
Will Honea
09-08-2006, 02:36 AM
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Re: Jeep Toad
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 01:13:36 UTC Jeffrey DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
> Tom Greening wrote:
> > mabar wrote:
> >
> >> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> >> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
> >>
> >> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> >>
> >>> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> >>> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> >>> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> >>> libby useless on dirt roads:
> >>> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> >>> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>> mailto:--------------------
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hazarding a guess I'd say it's because the drums actually offer more
> > stopping power and are less susceptible to brake fade. Disks are
> > lighter but not as powerful. For us they also handle mud better than
> > drums do, which isn't really a consideration for the average tractor.
> >
> > Of course the real FACTS may completely different than the guess I
> > hazard. :)
>
> Well... drums are MORE susceptible to fade, that's one of the advantages
> of disks. When a drum gets hot it will expand away from the shoes,
> while when a disk gets hot it will get closer to the shoes.
>
> I think all other things being equal disks are going to be more powerful
> too, because it's easier to squeeze things together than apart.
>
> However with the drums you can get more swept area, so all other things
> AREN'T equal.
Minor correction, Jeff. Disc brakes require MORE pressure to operate
- a lot more. Check the size of the pistons in the front calipers
versus the size of the pistons in the rear cylinders (or try stopping
with discs and no power assist <g>). Also, with drums, you can (and
most modern systems do) get a mechanical boost that increases the
braking pressure on a drum/shoe where you can't on discs.
Where you got it dead on is the heat issue. Disc brakes are much less
suceptable to fade. They also handle water better due the the extra
pressure, a larger open surface, and the wiping action of the pads.
Then there is the real reason: disc brake assemblies are lighter and
cheaper for given braking power.
--
Will Honea
wrote:
> Tom Greening wrote:
> > mabar wrote:
> >
> >> So far in this thread, nobody has answered Jeff's question: Why do
> >> semi-trucks use drum brakes?
> >>
> >> I also am curious - why do they use drums rather than disks?
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4500AE71.EFC59D0F@***.net...
> >>
> >>> Coils: "sophisticated and compact suspension design" True, most
> >>> often used in subcompact front wheel drive rice burners. "more
> >>> suspension travel" FALSE, their limited four inches of travel makes the
> >>> libby useless on dirt roads:
> >>> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> >>> Trucks use drums to stop. Period!
> >>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>> mailto:--------------------
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hazarding a guess I'd say it's because the drums actually offer more
> > stopping power and are less susceptible to brake fade. Disks are
> > lighter but not as powerful. For us they also handle mud better than
> > drums do, which isn't really a consideration for the average tractor.
> >
> > Of course the real FACTS may completely different than the guess I
> > hazard. :)
>
> Well... drums are MORE susceptible to fade, that's one of the advantages
> of disks. When a drum gets hot it will expand away from the shoes,
> while when a disk gets hot it will get closer to the shoes.
>
> I think all other things being equal disks are going to be more powerful
> too, because it's easier to squeeze things together than apart.
>
> However with the drums you can get more swept area, so all other things
> AREN'T equal.
Minor correction, Jeff. Disc brakes require MORE pressure to operate
- a lot more. Check the size of the pistons in the front calipers
versus the size of the pistons in the rear cylinders (or try stopping
with discs and no power assist <g>). Also, with drums, you can (and
most modern systems do) get a mechanical boost that increases the
braking pressure on a drum/shoe where you can't on discs.
Where you got it dead on is the heat issue. Disc brakes are much less
suceptable to fade. They also handle water better due the the extra
pressure, a larger open surface, and the wiping action of the pads.
Then there is the real reason: disc brake assemblies are lighter and
cheaper for given braking power.
--
Will Honea
09-08-2006, 08:20 AM
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Re: Jeep Toad
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> There you go again with a personal insult when confronted by facts.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
No surprise you're a hypocrit as well.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> There you go again with a personal insult when confronted by facts.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
No surprise you're a hypocrit as well.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
09-08-2006, 08:20 AM
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Re: Jeep Toad
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> There you go again with a personal insult when confronted by facts.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
No surprise you're a hypocrit as well.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> There you go again with a personal insult when confronted by facts.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
No surprise you're a hypocrit as well.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
09-08-2006, 08:20 AM
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Re: Jeep Toad
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> There you go again with a personal insult when confronted by facts.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
No surprise you're a hypocrit as well.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> There you go again with a personal insult when confronted by facts.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
No surprise you're a hypocrit as well.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein