Jeep Toad
#171
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Re: Jeep Toad
What are babbling about????? Maybe you should study your TJ's
suspension and tell me what you think is good about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/TJalignment.jpg as compared to a Real
leaf suspension under a TJ:
http://www.----------.com/temp/tjleafSprings.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Yes shocks can limit total compression and extension... That's great
> Bill you're starting to learn about suspensions... now keep reading soon
> you will understand just how out of touch you've been.
>
> BTW you didn't actually think I was going to fall for your attempt to
> build a strawman with this shock absorber post did you?
>
> For anyone who's following along and has been confused by Bill's
> non-sequitur, he is "pretending" that I stated something about Coils
> determining absolute suspension travel... Of course Shocks physically
> limit travel no matter how much your Coils can droop or compress... same
> with leaf springs of course.
>
> To suggest otherwise would be pretty retarded... For Bill to pretend I'm
> saying that is pretty much pure desperation.
>
> --
> Simon
suspension and tell me what you think is good about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/TJalignment.jpg as compared to a Real
leaf suspension under a TJ:
http://www.----------.com/temp/tjleafSprings.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Yes shocks can limit total compression and extension... That's great
> Bill you're starting to learn about suspensions... now keep reading soon
> you will understand just how out of touch you've been.
>
> BTW you didn't actually think I was going to fall for your attempt to
> build a strawman with this shock absorber post did you?
>
> For anyone who's following along and has been confused by Bill's
> non-sequitur, he is "pretending" that I stated something about Coils
> determining absolute suspension travel... Of course Shocks physically
> limit travel no matter how much your Coils can droop or compress... same
> with leaf springs of course.
>
> To suggest otherwise would be pretty retarded... For Bill to pretend I'm
> saying that is pretty much pure desperation.
>
> --
> Simon
#172
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Re: Jeep Toad
What are babbling about????? Maybe you should study your TJ's
suspension and tell me what you think is good about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/TJalignment.jpg as compared to a Real
leaf suspension under a TJ:
http://www.----------.com/temp/tjleafSprings.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Yes shocks can limit total compression and extension... That's great
> Bill you're starting to learn about suspensions... now keep reading soon
> you will understand just how out of touch you've been.
>
> BTW you didn't actually think I was going to fall for your attempt to
> build a strawman with this shock absorber post did you?
>
> For anyone who's following along and has been confused by Bill's
> non-sequitur, he is "pretending" that I stated something about Coils
> determining absolute suspension travel... Of course Shocks physically
> limit travel no matter how much your Coils can droop or compress... same
> with leaf springs of course.
>
> To suggest otherwise would be pretty retarded... For Bill to pretend I'm
> saying that is pretty much pure desperation.
>
> --
> Simon
suspension and tell me what you think is good about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/TJalignment.jpg as compared to a Real
leaf suspension under a TJ:
http://www.----------.com/temp/tjleafSprings.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Yes shocks can limit total compression and extension... That's great
> Bill you're starting to learn about suspensions... now keep reading soon
> you will understand just how out of touch you've been.
>
> BTW you didn't actually think I was going to fall for your attempt to
> build a strawman with this shock absorber post did you?
>
> For anyone who's following along and has been confused by Bill's
> non-sequitur, he is "pretending" that I stated something about Coils
> determining absolute suspension travel... Of course Shocks physically
> limit travel no matter how much your Coils can droop or compress... same
> with leaf springs of course.
>
> To suggest otherwise would be pretty retarded... For Bill to pretend I'm
> saying that is pretty much pure desperation.
>
> --
> Simon
#173
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Re: Jeep Toad
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> What are babbling about????? Maybe you should study your TJ's
I don't have a TJ and if you didn't have the attention span and mental
aquitty of a 4 year old you'd remember that.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> What are babbling about????? Maybe you should study your TJ's
I don't have a TJ and if you didn't have the attention span and mental
aquitty of a 4 year old you'd remember that.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
#174
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Re: Jeep Toad
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> What are babbling about????? Maybe you should study your TJ's
I don't have a TJ and if you didn't have the attention span and mental
aquitty of a 4 year old you'd remember that.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> What are babbling about????? Maybe you should study your TJ's
I don't have a TJ and if you didn't have the attention span and mental
aquitty of a 4 year old you'd remember that.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
#175
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Re: Jeep Toad
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> What are babbling about????? Maybe you should study your TJ's
I don't have a TJ and if you didn't have the attention span and mental
aquitty of a 4 year old you'd remember that.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> What are babbling about????? Maybe you should study your TJ's
I don't have a TJ and if you didn't have the attention span and mental
aquitty of a 4 year old you'd remember that.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
#176
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Re: Jeep Toad
You might also notice that on occasion, Bill's ability and willingness
to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
monkey and google about as useful.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> You might notice that Bill uses links to back his theories, where
> wannabees like you just lie.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tom Greening wrote:
>
>>One thing you'll learn right quick is that Bill never lets facts or
>>common sense get in the way of his opinions.
to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
monkey and google about as useful.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> You might notice that Bill uses links to back his theories, where
> wannabees like you just lie.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tom Greening wrote:
>
>>One thing you'll learn right quick is that Bill never lets facts or
>>common sense get in the way of his opinions.
#177
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Re: Jeep Toad
You might also notice that on occasion, Bill's ability and willingness
to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
monkey and google about as useful.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> You might notice that Bill uses links to back his theories, where
> wannabees like you just lie.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tom Greening wrote:
>
>>One thing you'll learn right quick is that Bill never lets facts or
>>common sense get in the way of his opinions.
to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
monkey and google about as useful.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> You might notice that Bill uses links to back his theories, where
> wannabees like you just lie.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tom Greening wrote:
>
>>One thing you'll learn right quick is that Bill never lets facts or
>>common sense get in the way of his opinions.
#178
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Re: Jeep Toad
You might also notice that on occasion, Bill's ability and willingness
to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
monkey and google about as useful.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> You might notice that Bill uses links to back his theories, where
> wannabees like you just lie.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tom Greening wrote:
>
>>One thing you'll learn right quick is that Bill never lets facts or
>>common sense get in the way of his opinions.
to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
monkey and google about as useful.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> You might notice that Bill uses links to back his theories, where
> wannabees like you just lie.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tom Greening wrote:
>
>>One thing you'll learn right quick is that Bill never lets facts or
>>common sense get in the way of his opinions.
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Re: Jeep Toad
Simon Juncal proclaimed:
> Coils can compress and expand more than leafs, they are only attached to
> the frame at one point and usually in line with suspension travel
> meaning they are much less restrictive to movement. They also allow
> things like four link, four bar and tri axial suspensions which all have
> their pros and cons but all offer serious advantages in their
> applications over old fashioned leaf springs.
Just a special case of torsion bar.
>
> Leafs are stronger more simple and are great for towing and heavy loads
> which apparently Bill equates to off roading for some wacky reason.
Yeah, towing with the leaf spring in a Corvette, good idea.
>
> As for trucks, a lot of things the trucking industry does only for cost
> reasons. The other major motivator is pure stubborn tradition and
> resistance to change (remember they didn't want to put Lower bumpers on
> their trailers because well... because they didn't want to spend money
> or change, regardless of the fact that they save peoples lives.
I'll go with tradition. Trucks use leaves, trains use coils.
>
> The Semi thus is an extremely poor thing to use as an example for ANY
> technology. Because between the EXTREME specialization (it has to tow
> 80,000 pounds!) and the trucking industry being EXTREMELY inbred and old
> fashioned; you are really looking at what equates to a Dynosour some
> decades before the extinction. That is to say: A big unadaptable slow
> beast (meaning the industry not the trucks) poorly suited to survival if
> the worlds changes significantly.
You forgot propped up by a political system that killed the more
efficient means of long distance transportation of heavy goods, with the
added advantage that you don't get as many civilians mixed in with the
long haul freighters, which increases safety for both.
> Coils can compress and expand more than leafs, they are only attached to
> the frame at one point and usually in line with suspension travel
> meaning they are much less restrictive to movement. They also allow
> things like four link, four bar and tri axial suspensions which all have
> their pros and cons but all offer serious advantages in their
> applications over old fashioned leaf springs.
Just a special case of torsion bar.
>
> Leafs are stronger more simple and are great for towing and heavy loads
> which apparently Bill equates to off roading for some wacky reason.
Yeah, towing with the leaf spring in a Corvette, good idea.
>
> As for trucks, a lot of things the trucking industry does only for cost
> reasons. The other major motivator is pure stubborn tradition and
> resistance to change (remember they didn't want to put Lower bumpers on
> their trailers because well... because they didn't want to spend money
> or change, regardless of the fact that they save peoples lives.
I'll go with tradition. Trucks use leaves, trains use coils.
>
> The Semi thus is an extremely poor thing to use as an example for ANY
> technology. Because between the EXTREME specialization (it has to tow
> 80,000 pounds!) and the trucking industry being EXTREMELY inbred and old
> fashioned; you are really looking at what equates to a Dynosour some
> decades before the extinction. That is to say: A big unadaptable slow
> beast (meaning the industry not the trucks) poorly suited to survival if
> the worlds changes significantly.
You forgot propped up by a political system that killed the more
efficient means of long distance transportation of heavy goods, with the
added advantage that you don't get as many civilians mixed in with the
long haul freighters, which increases safety for both.
#180
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Re: Jeep Toad
Simon Juncal proclaimed:
> Coils can compress and expand more than leafs, they are only attached to
> the frame at one point and usually in line with suspension travel
> meaning they are much less restrictive to movement. They also allow
> things like four link, four bar and tri axial suspensions which all have
> their pros and cons but all offer serious advantages in their
> applications over old fashioned leaf springs.
Just a special case of torsion bar.
>
> Leafs are stronger more simple and are great for towing and heavy loads
> which apparently Bill equates to off roading for some wacky reason.
Yeah, towing with the leaf spring in a Corvette, good idea.
>
> As for trucks, a lot of things the trucking industry does only for cost
> reasons. The other major motivator is pure stubborn tradition and
> resistance to change (remember they didn't want to put Lower bumpers on
> their trailers because well... because they didn't want to spend money
> or change, regardless of the fact that they save peoples lives.
I'll go with tradition. Trucks use leaves, trains use coils.
>
> The Semi thus is an extremely poor thing to use as an example for ANY
> technology. Because between the EXTREME specialization (it has to tow
> 80,000 pounds!) and the trucking industry being EXTREMELY inbred and old
> fashioned; you are really looking at what equates to a Dynosour some
> decades before the extinction. That is to say: A big unadaptable slow
> beast (meaning the industry not the trucks) poorly suited to survival if
> the worlds changes significantly.
You forgot propped up by a political system that killed the more
efficient means of long distance transportation of heavy goods, with the
added advantage that you don't get as many civilians mixed in with the
long haul freighters, which increases safety for both.
> Coils can compress and expand more than leafs, they are only attached to
> the frame at one point and usually in line with suspension travel
> meaning they are much less restrictive to movement. They also allow
> things like four link, four bar and tri axial suspensions which all have
> their pros and cons but all offer serious advantages in their
> applications over old fashioned leaf springs.
Just a special case of torsion bar.
>
> Leafs are stronger more simple and are great for towing and heavy loads
> which apparently Bill equates to off roading for some wacky reason.
Yeah, towing with the leaf spring in a Corvette, good idea.
>
> As for trucks, a lot of things the trucking industry does only for cost
> reasons. The other major motivator is pure stubborn tradition and
> resistance to change (remember they didn't want to put Lower bumpers on
> their trailers because well... because they didn't want to spend money
> or change, regardless of the fact that they save peoples lives.
I'll go with tradition. Trucks use leaves, trains use coils.
>
> The Semi thus is an extremely poor thing to use as an example for ANY
> technology. Because between the EXTREME specialization (it has to tow
> 80,000 pounds!) and the trucking industry being EXTREMELY inbred and old
> fashioned; you are really looking at what equates to a Dynosour some
> decades before the extinction. That is to say: A big unadaptable slow
> beast (meaning the industry not the trucks) poorly suited to survival if
> the worlds changes significantly.
You forgot propped up by a political system that killed the more
efficient means of long distance transportation of heavy goods, with the
added advantage that you don't get as many civilians mixed in with the
long haul freighters, which increases safety for both.