Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
#231
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Then you were a victim:
I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
who took advantage of you.
I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
time" plus quicker!
Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
the one who gave you an accurate description.
With kind regards,
Refinish King
"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
flat
> rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
> rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
a
> car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
> even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
in
> for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
> the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
> the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
> mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
> before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
> over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
have
> done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
I
> am told up front what it is going to cost me.
> "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
> news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > Flat rate books were written for a reason:
> >
> > to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
job.
> >
> > If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
> >
> > The customer asks how much?
> >
> > The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
> >
> > If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
> well.
> > The business owner gets dorked?
> >
> > Where's the incentive to be in business?
> >
> > You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
> will
> > get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
> > rate, you win some and lose some!
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> >
> > "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
> > > And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
> it
> > > for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
flat
> > > rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
> ahead
> > of
> > > the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
> But
> > > doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
for
> a
> > > reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
hour
> > job
> > > last for days.
> > > "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > > > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> > > >
> > > > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
> > > arbitrary
> > > > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
> > comes
> > > > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
> > > warranty
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> > > >
> > > > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
> you
> > > want
> > > > working on your car!
> > > >
> > > > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
> > technicians
> > > > or butchers on flat rate!
> > > >
> > > > The End.
> > > >
> > > > Refinish King
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
> > first
> > > > time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
for
> > free
> > > > > > the second time.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
> your
> > 8
> > > > > > hours anyway
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Johan
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
same
> > > > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
for
> to
> > > > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > > > --
> > > > > ____________________
> > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
who took advantage of you.
I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
time" plus quicker!
Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
the one who gave you an accurate description.
With kind regards,
Refinish King
"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
flat
> rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
> rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
a
> car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
> even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
in
> for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
> the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
> the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
> mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
> before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
> over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
have
> done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
I
> am told up front what it is going to cost me.
> "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
> news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > Flat rate books were written for a reason:
> >
> > to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
job.
> >
> > If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
> >
> > The customer asks how much?
> >
> > The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
> >
> > If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
> well.
> > The business owner gets dorked?
> >
> > Where's the incentive to be in business?
> >
> > You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
> will
> > get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
> > rate, you win some and lose some!
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> >
> > "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
> > > And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
> it
> > > for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
flat
> > > rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
> ahead
> > of
> > > the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
> But
> > > doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
for
> a
> > > reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
hour
> > job
> > > last for days.
> > > "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > > > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> > > >
> > > > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
> > > arbitrary
> > > > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
> > comes
> > > > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
> > > warranty
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> > > >
> > > > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
> you
> > > want
> > > > working on your car!
> > > >
> > > > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
> > technicians
> > > > or butchers on flat rate!
> > > >
> > > > The End.
> > > >
> > > > Refinish King
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
> > first
> > > > time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
for
> > free
> > > > > > the second time.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
> your
> > 8
> > > > > > hours anyway
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Johan
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
same
> > > > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
for
> to
> > > > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > > > --
> > > > > ____________________
> > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
#232
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Then you were a victim:
I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
who took advantage of you.
I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
time" plus quicker!
Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
the one who gave you an accurate description.
With kind regards,
Refinish King
"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
flat
> rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
> rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
a
> car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
> even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
in
> for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
> the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
> the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
> mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
> before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
> over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
have
> done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
I
> am told up front what it is going to cost me.
> "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
> news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > Flat rate books were written for a reason:
> >
> > to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
job.
> >
> > If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
> >
> > The customer asks how much?
> >
> > The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
> >
> > If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
> well.
> > The business owner gets dorked?
> >
> > Where's the incentive to be in business?
> >
> > You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
> will
> > get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
> > rate, you win some and lose some!
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> >
> > "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
> > > And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
> it
> > > for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
flat
> > > rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
> ahead
> > of
> > > the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
> But
> > > doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
for
> a
> > > reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
hour
> > job
> > > last for days.
> > > "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > > > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> > > >
> > > > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
> > > arbitrary
> > > > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
> > comes
> > > > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
> > > warranty
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> > > >
> > > > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
> you
> > > want
> > > > working on your car!
> > > >
> > > > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
> > technicians
> > > > or butchers on flat rate!
> > > >
> > > > The End.
> > > >
> > > > Refinish King
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
> > first
> > > > time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
for
> > free
> > > > > > the second time.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
> your
> > 8
> > > > > > hours anyway
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Johan
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
same
> > > > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
for
> to
> > > > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > > > --
> > > > > ____________________
> > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
who took advantage of you.
I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
time" plus quicker!
Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
the one who gave you an accurate description.
With kind regards,
Refinish King
"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
flat
> rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
> rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
a
> car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
> even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
in
> for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
> the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
> the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
> mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
> before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
> over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
have
> done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
I
> am told up front what it is going to cost me.
> "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
> news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > Flat rate books were written for a reason:
> >
> > to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
job.
> >
> > If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
> >
> > The customer asks how much?
> >
> > The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
> >
> > If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
> well.
> > The business owner gets dorked?
> >
> > Where's the incentive to be in business?
> >
> > You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
> will
> > get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
> > rate, you win some and lose some!
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> >
> > "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
> > > And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
> it
> > > for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
flat
> > > rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
> ahead
> > of
> > > the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
> But
> > > doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
for
> a
> > > reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
hour
> > job
> > > last for days.
> > > "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > > > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> > > >
> > > > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
> > > arbitrary
> > > > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
> > comes
> > > > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
> > > warranty
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> > > >
> > > > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
> you
> > > want
> > > > working on your car!
> > > >
> > > > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
> > technicians
> > > > or butchers on flat rate!
> > > >
> > > > The End.
> > > >
> > > > Refinish King
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
> > first
> > > > time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
for
> > free
> > > > > > the second time.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
> your
> > 8
> > > > > > hours anyway
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Johan
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
same
> > > > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
for
> to
> > > > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > > > --
> > > > > ____________________
> > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
#233
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Then you were a victim:
I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
who took advantage of you.
I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
time" plus quicker!
Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
the one who gave you an accurate description.
With kind regards,
Refinish King
"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
flat
> rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
> rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
a
> car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
> even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
in
> for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
> the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
> the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
> mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
> before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
> over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
have
> done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
I
> am told up front what it is going to cost me.
> "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
> news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > Flat rate books were written for a reason:
> >
> > to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
job.
> >
> > If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
> >
> > The customer asks how much?
> >
> > The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
> >
> > If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
> well.
> > The business owner gets dorked?
> >
> > Where's the incentive to be in business?
> >
> > You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
> will
> > get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
> > rate, you win some and lose some!
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> >
> > "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
> > > And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
> it
> > > for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
flat
> > > rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
> ahead
> > of
> > > the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
> But
> > > doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
for
> a
> > > reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
hour
> > job
> > > last for days.
> > > "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > > > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> > > >
> > > > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
> > > arbitrary
> > > > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
> > comes
> > > > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
> > > warranty
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> > > >
> > > > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
> you
> > > want
> > > > working on your car!
> > > >
> > > > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
> > technicians
> > > > or butchers on flat rate!
> > > >
> > > > The End.
> > > >
> > > > Refinish King
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
> > first
> > > > time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
for
> > free
> > > > > > the second time.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
> your
> > 8
> > > > > > hours anyway
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Johan
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
same
> > > > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
for
> to
> > > > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > > > --
> > > > > ____________________
> > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
who took advantage of you.
I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
time" plus quicker!
Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
the one who gave you an accurate description.
With kind regards,
Refinish King
"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
flat
> rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
> rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
a
> car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
> even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
in
> for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
> the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
> the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
> mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
> before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
> over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
have
> done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
I
> am told up front what it is going to cost me.
> "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
> news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > Flat rate books were written for a reason:
> >
> > to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
job.
> >
> > If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
> >
> > The customer asks how much?
> >
> > The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
> >
> > If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
> well.
> > The business owner gets dorked?
> >
> > Where's the incentive to be in business?
> >
> > You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
> will
> > get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
> > rate, you win some and lose some!
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> >
> > "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
> > > And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
> it
> > > for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
flat
> > > rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
> ahead
> > of
> > > the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
> But
> > > doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
for
> a
> > > reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
hour
> > job
> > > last for days.
> > > "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> > > > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> > > >
> > > > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
> > > arbitrary
> > > > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
> > comes
> > > > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
> > > warranty
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> > > >
> > > > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
> you
> > > want
> > > > working on your car!
> > > >
> > > > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
> > technicians
> > > > or butchers on flat rate!
> > > >
> > > > The End.
> > > >
> > > > Refinish King
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
> > first
> > > > time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
for
> > free
> > > > > > the second time.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
> your
> > 8
> > > > > > hours anyway
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Johan
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
same
> > > > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
for
> to
> > > > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > > > --
> > > > > ____________________
> > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
#234
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
You didn't charge every customer the same rate? That's illegal, isn't it?
Refinish King wrote:
> Then you were a victim:
>
> I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
> people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
> the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
> who took advantage of you.
>
> I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
> time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
> their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
> for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
> time" plus quicker!
>
> Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
>
> So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
> the one who gave you an accurate description.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Refinish King
>
>
> "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
>
> flat
>
>>rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
>>rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
>
> a
>
>>car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
>>even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
>
> in
>
>>for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
>>the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
>>the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
>>mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
>>before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
>>over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
>
> have
>
>>done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
>
> I
>
>>am told up front what it is going to cost me.
>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
>>news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com.. .
>>
>>>Flat rate books were written for a reason:
>>>
>>>to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
>
> job.
>
>>>If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
>>>
>>>The customer asks how much?
>>>
>>>The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
>>>
>>>If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
>>
>>well.
>>
>>>The business owner gets dorked?
>>>
>>>Where's the incentive to be in business?
>>>
>>>You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
>>
>>will
>>
>>>get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
>>>rate, you win some and lose some!
>>>
>>>Refinish King
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
>
> flat
>
>>>>rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
>>
>>ahead
>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
>>
>>But
>>
>>>>doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
>
> for
>
>>a
>>
>>>>reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
>
> hour
>
>>>job
>>>
>>>>last for days.
>>>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
>>
>>message
>>
>>>>news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com ...
>>>>
>>>>>A clearer definition of flat rate:
>>>>>
>>>>>If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
>>>>
>>>>arbitrary
>>>>
>>>>>figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
>>>
>>>comes
>>>
>>>>>back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
>>>>
>>>>warranty
>>>>
>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? you fix it for free!
>>>>>
>>>>>So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>want
>>>>
>>>>>working on your car!
>>>>>
>>>>>Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
>>>
>>>technicians
>>>
>>>>>or butchers on flat rate!
>>>>>
>>>>>The End.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refinish King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink .ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>>>>>>johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mic canic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
>>>
>>>first
>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you like to xplain your logic ????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
>
> for
>
>>>free
>>>
>>>>>>>the second time.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
>>
>>your
>>
>>>8
>>>
>>>>>>>hours anyway
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Johan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
>
> same
>
>>>>>>even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
>
> for
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>>fix it right, so where's the incentive?
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>____________________
>>>>>>Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Refinish King wrote:
> Then you were a victim:
>
> I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
> people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
> the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
> who took advantage of you.
>
> I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
> time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
> their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
> for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
> time" plus quicker!
>
> Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
>
> So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
> the one who gave you an accurate description.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Refinish King
>
>
> "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
>
> flat
>
>>rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
>>rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
>
> a
>
>>car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
>>even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
>
> in
>
>>for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
>>the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
>>the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
>>mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
>>before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
>>over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
>
> have
>
>>done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
>
> I
>
>>am told up front what it is going to cost me.
>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
>>news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com.. .
>>
>>>Flat rate books were written for a reason:
>>>
>>>to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
>
> job.
>
>>>If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
>>>
>>>The customer asks how much?
>>>
>>>The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
>>>
>>>If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
>>
>>well.
>>
>>>The business owner gets dorked?
>>>
>>>Where's the incentive to be in business?
>>>
>>>You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
>>
>>will
>>
>>>get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
>>>rate, you win some and lose some!
>>>
>>>Refinish King
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
>
> flat
>
>>>>rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
>>
>>ahead
>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
>>
>>But
>>
>>>>doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
>
> for
>
>>a
>>
>>>>reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
>
> hour
>
>>>job
>>>
>>>>last for days.
>>>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
>>
>>message
>>
>>>>news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com ...
>>>>
>>>>>A clearer definition of flat rate:
>>>>>
>>>>>If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
>>>>
>>>>arbitrary
>>>>
>>>>>figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
>>>
>>>comes
>>>
>>>>>back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
>>>>
>>>>warranty
>>>>
>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? you fix it for free!
>>>>>
>>>>>So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>want
>>>>
>>>>>working on your car!
>>>>>
>>>>>Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
>>>
>>>technicians
>>>
>>>>>or butchers on flat rate!
>>>>>
>>>>>The End.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refinish King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink .ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>>>>>>johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mic canic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
>>>
>>>first
>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you like to xplain your logic ????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
>
> for
>
>>>free
>>>
>>>>>>>the second time.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
>>
>>your
>>
>>>8
>>>
>>>>>>>hours anyway
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Johan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
>
> same
>
>>>>>>even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
>
> for
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>>fix it right, so where's the incentive?
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>____________________
>>>>>>Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
#235
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
You didn't charge every customer the same rate? That's illegal, isn't it?
Refinish King wrote:
> Then you were a victim:
>
> I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
> people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
> the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
> who took advantage of you.
>
> I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
> time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
> their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
> for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
> time" plus quicker!
>
> Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
>
> So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
> the one who gave you an accurate description.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Refinish King
>
>
> "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
>
> flat
>
>>rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
>>rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
>
> a
>
>>car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
>>even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
>
> in
>
>>for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
>>the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
>>the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
>>mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
>>before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
>>over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
>
> have
>
>>done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
>
> I
>
>>am told up front what it is going to cost me.
>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
>>news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com.. .
>>
>>>Flat rate books were written for a reason:
>>>
>>>to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
>
> job.
>
>>>If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
>>>
>>>The customer asks how much?
>>>
>>>The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
>>>
>>>If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
>>
>>well.
>>
>>>The business owner gets dorked?
>>>
>>>Where's the incentive to be in business?
>>>
>>>You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
>>
>>will
>>
>>>get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
>>>rate, you win some and lose some!
>>>
>>>Refinish King
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
>
> flat
>
>>>>rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
>>
>>ahead
>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
>>
>>But
>>
>>>>doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
>
> for
>
>>a
>>
>>>>reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
>
> hour
>
>>>job
>>>
>>>>last for days.
>>>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
>>
>>message
>>
>>>>news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com ...
>>>>
>>>>>A clearer definition of flat rate:
>>>>>
>>>>>If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
>>>>
>>>>arbitrary
>>>>
>>>>>figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
>>>
>>>comes
>>>
>>>>>back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
>>>>
>>>>warranty
>>>>
>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? you fix it for free!
>>>>>
>>>>>So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>want
>>>>
>>>>>working on your car!
>>>>>
>>>>>Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
>>>
>>>technicians
>>>
>>>>>or butchers on flat rate!
>>>>>
>>>>>The End.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refinish King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink .ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>>>>>>johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mic canic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
>>>
>>>first
>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you like to xplain your logic ????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
>
> for
>
>>>free
>>>
>>>>>>>the second time.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
>>
>>your
>>
>>>8
>>>
>>>>>>>hours anyway
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Johan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
>
> same
>
>>>>>>even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
>
> for
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>>fix it right, so where's the incentive?
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>____________________
>>>>>>Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Refinish King wrote:
> Then you were a victim:
>
> I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
> people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
> the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
> who took advantage of you.
>
> I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
> time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
> their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
> for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
> time" plus quicker!
>
> Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
>
> So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
> the one who gave you an accurate description.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Refinish King
>
>
> "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
>
> flat
>
>>rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
>>rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
>
> a
>
>>car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
>>even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
>
> in
>
>>for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
>>the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
>>the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
>>mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
>>before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
>>over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
>
> have
>
>>done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
>
> I
>
>>am told up front what it is going to cost me.
>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
>>news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com.. .
>>
>>>Flat rate books were written for a reason:
>>>
>>>to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
>
> job.
>
>>>If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
>>>
>>>The customer asks how much?
>>>
>>>The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
>>>
>>>If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
>>
>>well.
>>
>>>The business owner gets dorked?
>>>
>>>Where's the incentive to be in business?
>>>
>>>You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
>>
>>will
>>
>>>get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
>>>rate, you win some and lose some!
>>>
>>>Refinish King
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
>
> flat
>
>>>>rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
>>
>>ahead
>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
>>
>>But
>>
>>>>doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
>
> for
>
>>a
>>
>>>>reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
>
> hour
>
>>>job
>>>
>>>>last for days.
>>>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
>>
>>message
>>
>>>>news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com ...
>>>>
>>>>>A clearer definition of flat rate:
>>>>>
>>>>>If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
>>>>
>>>>arbitrary
>>>>
>>>>>figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
>>>
>>>comes
>>>
>>>>>back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
>>>>
>>>>warranty
>>>>
>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? you fix it for free!
>>>>>
>>>>>So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>want
>>>>
>>>>>working on your car!
>>>>>
>>>>>Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
>>>
>>>technicians
>>>
>>>>>or butchers on flat rate!
>>>>>
>>>>>The End.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refinish King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink .ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>>>>>>johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mic canic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
>>>
>>>first
>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you like to xplain your logic ????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
>
> for
>
>>>free
>>>
>>>>>>>the second time.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
>>
>>your
>>
>>>8
>>>
>>>>>>>hours anyway
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Johan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
>
> same
>
>>>>>>even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
>
> for
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>>fix it right, so where's the incentive?
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>____________________
>>>>>>Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
#236
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
You didn't charge every customer the same rate? That's illegal, isn't it?
Refinish King wrote:
> Then you were a victim:
>
> I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
> people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
> the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
> who took advantage of you.
>
> I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
> time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
> their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
> for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
> time" plus quicker!
>
> Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
>
> So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
> the one who gave you an accurate description.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Refinish King
>
>
> "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
>
> flat
>
>>rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
>>rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
>
> a
>
>>car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
>>even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
>
> in
>
>>for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
>>the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
>>the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
>>mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
>>before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
>>over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
>
> have
>
>>done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
>
> I
>
>>am told up front what it is going to cost me.
>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
>>news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com.. .
>>
>>>Flat rate books were written for a reason:
>>>
>>>to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
>
> job.
>
>>>If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
>>>
>>>The customer asks how much?
>>>
>>>The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
>>>
>>>If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
>>
>>well.
>>
>>>The business owner gets dorked?
>>>
>>>Where's the incentive to be in business?
>>>
>>>You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
>>
>>will
>>
>>>get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
>>>rate, you win some and lose some!
>>>
>>>Refinish King
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
>
> flat
>
>>>>rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
>>
>>ahead
>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
>>
>>But
>>
>>>>doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
>
> for
>
>>a
>>
>>>>reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
>
> hour
>
>>>job
>>>
>>>>last for days.
>>>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
>>
>>message
>>
>>>>news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com ...
>>>>
>>>>>A clearer definition of flat rate:
>>>>>
>>>>>If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
>>>>
>>>>arbitrary
>>>>
>>>>>figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
>>>
>>>comes
>>>
>>>>>back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
>>>>
>>>>warranty
>>>>
>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? you fix it for free!
>>>>>
>>>>>So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>want
>>>>
>>>>>working on your car!
>>>>>
>>>>>Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
>>>
>>>technicians
>>>
>>>>>or butchers on flat rate!
>>>>>
>>>>>The End.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refinish King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink .ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>>>>>>johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mic canic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
>>>
>>>first
>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you like to xplain your logic ????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
>
> for
>
>>>free
>>>
>>>>>>>the second time.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
>>
>>your
>>
>>>8
>>>
>>>>>>>hours anyway
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Johan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
>
> same
>
>>>>>>even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
>
> for
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>>fix it right, so where's the incentive?
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>____________________
>>>>>>Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Refinish King wrote:
> Then you were a victim:
>
> I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
> people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
> the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
> who took advantage of you.
>
> I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
> time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
> their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
> for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
> time" plus quicker!
>
> Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
>
> So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
> the one who gave you an accurate description.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Refinish King
>
>
> "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
>
> flat
>
>>rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
>>rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
>
> a
>
>>car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
>>even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
>
> in
>
>>for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
>>the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
>>the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
>>mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
>>before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
>>over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
>
> have
>
>>done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
>
> I
>
>>am told up front what it is going to cost me.
>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
>>news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com.. .
>>
>>>Flat rate books were written for a reason:
>>>
>>>to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
>
> job.
>
>>>If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
>>>
>>>The customer asks how much?
>>>
>>>The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
>>>
>>>If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
>>
>>well.
>>
>>>The business owner gets dorked?
>>>
>>>Where's the incentive to be in business?
>>>
>>>You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
>>
>>will
>>
>>>get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
>>>rate, you win some and lose some!
>>>
>>>Refinish King
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
>
> flat
>
>>>>rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
>>
>>ahead
>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
>>
>>But
>>
>>>>doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
>
> for
>
>>a
>>
>>>>reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
>
> hour
>
>>>job
>>>
>>>>last for days.
>>>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
>>
>>message
>>
>>>>news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com ...
>>>>
>>>>>A clearer definition of flat rate:
>>>>>
>>>>>If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
>>>>
>>>>arbitrary
>>>>
>>>>>figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
>>>
>>>comes
>>>
>>>>>back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
>>>>
>>>>warranty
>>>>
>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? you fix it for free!
>>>>>
>>>>>So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>want
>>>>
>>>>>working on your car!
>>>>>
>>>>>Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
>>>
>>>technicians
>>>
>>>>>or butchers on flat rate!
>>>>>
>>>>>The End.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refinish King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink .ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>>>>>>johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mic canic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
>>>
>>>first
>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you like to xplain your logic ????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
>
> for
>
>>>free
>>>
>>>>>>>the second time.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
>>
>>your
>>
>>>8
>>>
>>>>>>>hours anyway
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Johan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
>
> same
>
>>>>>>even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
>
> for
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>>fix it right, so where's the incentive?
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>____________________
>>>>>>Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
#237
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
You didn't charge every customer the same rate? That's illegal, isn't it?
Refinish King wrote:
> Then you were a victim:
>
> I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
> people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
> the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
> who took advantage of you.
>
> I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
> time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
> their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
> for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
> time" plus quicker!
>
> Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
>
> So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
> the one who gave you an accurate description.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Refinish King
>
>
> "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
>
> flat
>
>>rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
>>rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
>
> a
>
>>car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
>>even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
>
> in
>
>>for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
>>the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
>>the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
>>mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
>>before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
>>over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
>
> have
>
>>done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
>
> I
>
>>am told up front what it is going to cost me.
>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
>>news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com.. .
>>
>>>Flat rate books were written for a reason:
>>>
>>>to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
>
> job.
>
>>>If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
>>>
>>>The customer asks how much?
>>>
>>>The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
>>>
>>>If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
>>
>>well.
>>
>>>The business owner gets dorked?
>>>
>>>Where's the incentive to be in business?
>>>
>>>You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
>>
>>will
>>
>>>get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
>>>rate, you win some and lose some!
>>>
>>>Refinish King
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
>
> flat
>
>>>>rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
>>
>>ahead
>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
>>
>>But
>>
>>>>doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
>
> for
>
>>a
>>
>>>>reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
>
> hour
>
>>>job
>>>
>>>>last for days.
>>>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
>>
>>message
>>
>>>>news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com ...
>>>>
>>>>>A clearer definition of flat rate:
>>>>>
>>>>>If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
>>>>
>>>>arbitrary
>>>>
>>>>>figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
>>>
>>>comes
>>>
>>>>>back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
>>>>
>>>>warranty
>>>>
>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? you fix it for free!
>>>>>
>>>>>So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>want
>>>>
>>>>>working on your car!
>>>>>
>>>>>Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
>>>
>>>technicians
>>>
>>>>>or butchers on flat rate!
>>>>>
>>>>>The End.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refinish King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink .ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>>>>>>johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mic canic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
>>>
>>>first
>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you like to xplain your logic ????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
>
> for
>
>>>free
>>>
>>>>>>>the second time.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
>>
>>your
>>
>>>8
>>>
>>>>>>>hours anyway
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Johan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
>
> same
>
>>>>>>even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
>
> for
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>>fix it right, so where's the incentive?
>>>>>>--
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>>>>>>Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Refinish King wrote:
> Then you were a victim:
>
> I ran an honest shop, and even cut time off of flat rate for seniors and
> people of less privilege. So before you come out of the gate asking me who
> the hell I think I am? I'm an honest shop operator, nothing like the ones
> who took advantage of you.
>
> I refuse to be compared to the grease monkey image you speak of, when I took
> time to help the local action groups and churches with the poor that needed
> their cars fixed, in order to find jobs, I treated customers fairly and paid
> for training for my employees so they would "Do the job right the first
> time" plus quicker!
>
> Maybe you got screwed, but not by me!
>
> So if you have a bone to pick, go to the source that stuck it to you, not
> the one who gave you an accurate description.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Refinish King
>
>
> "Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Af-dnZJDSeiWNnfdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>Who the hell are you calling a trolling customer? I am totally for the
>
> flat
>
>>rate. I was trying to explain WHY they use the flat rate over an hourly
>>rate. Too many customers were screwed by dishonest mechanics who would fix
>
> a
>
>>car in 2 hours and said it took 4 hours. The flat rate stopped this. And
>>even the flat rate is over estimated but it works. When I took a vehicle
>
> in
>
>>for work, I was charged the flat rate for each item done. They charged me
>>the flat rate for the catalytic converter. Then added in the flat rate for
>>the brakes. Total time was about 6 hours but they were done in 2. So the
>>mechanic made out. I have no problem with that. They did a good job. But
>>before the flat rate, when I had work done, they would end up keeping it
>>over night and charge me for 10 hours labor for something that I could
>
> have
>
>>done myself in 3 hours. So no, I have nothing against the flat rate since
>
> I
>
>>am told up front what it is going to cost me.
>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
>>news:o7xGc.6874$PO3.5094@fe39.usenetserver.com.. .
>>
>>>Flat rate books were written for a reason:
>>>
>>>to give technicians an estimated time that it would require to do the
>
> job.
>
>>>If a technician is proficient, and beats it. Should he be penalized?
>>>
>>>The customer asks how much?
>>>
>>>The customer is told 4 hours at $50.00.
>>>
>>>If it takes 10 hours, the customer gets to slide, but if the job goes
>>
>>well.
>>
>>>The business owner gets dorked?
>>>
>>>Where's the incentive to be in business?
>>>
>>>You must be a trolling customer, who wants it all, a guarantee that he
>>
>>will
>>
>>>get it cheap, and none of the things that can go wrong on the job. Flat
>>>rate, you win some and lose some!
>>>
>>>Refinish King
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dave" <dbs58@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8mdnU_GPMvJp3fdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>And using the same thought, if it is an hourly rate you will still fix
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>for free since you screwed it up the first time. But then with the
>
> flat
>
>>>>rate, if you charge for 4 hours and only take 2 hours, then you are
>>
>>ahead
>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>the game. Unless, if doing it hourly, you lie and say it took longer.
>>
>>But
>>
>>>>doing this you will run out of customers fast. Flat rate are charged
>
> for
>
>>a
>>
>>>>reason. Very few people want to pay by the hour. You could make a 2
>
> hour
>
>>>job
>>>
>>>>last for days.
>>>>"Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in
>>
>>message
>>
>>>>news:xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com ...
>>>>
>>>>>A clearer definition of flat rate:
>>>>>
>>>>>If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
>>>>
>>>>arbitrary
>>>>
>>>>>figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
>>>
>>>comes
>>>
>>>>>back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
>>>>
>>>>warranty
>>>>
>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? you fix it for free!
>>>>>
>>>>>So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>want
>>>>
>>>>>working on your car!
>>>>>
>>>>>Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
>>>
>>>technicians
>>>
>>>>>or butchers on flat rate!
>>>>>
>>>>>The End.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refinish King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink .ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>>>>>>johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mic canic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
>>>
>>>first
>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you like to xplain your logic ????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it
>
> for
>
>>>free
>>>
>>>>>>>the second time.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get
>>
>>your
>>
>>>8
>>>
>>>>>>>hours anyway
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Johan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the
>
> same
>
>>>>>>even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid
>
> for
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>>fix it right, so where's the incentive?
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>>>>>>Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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In article <xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com>,
noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com says...
> A clearer definition of flat rate:
>
> If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an arbitrary
> figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it comes
> back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted warranty
> time.
>
> Guess what? you fix it for free!
>
> So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you want
> working on your car!
>
> Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced technicians
> or butchers on flat rate!
>
> The End.
>
> Refinish King
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noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com says...
> A clearer definition of flat rate:
>
> If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an arbitrary
> figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it comes
> back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted warranty
> time.
>
> Guess what? you fix it for free!
>
> So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you want
> working on your car!
>
> Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced technicians
> or butchers on flat rate!
>
> The End.
>
> Refinish King
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
In article <xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com>,
noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com says...
> A clearer definition of flat rate:
>
> If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an arbitrary
> figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it comes
> back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted warranty
> time.
>
> Guess what? you fix it for free!
>
> So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you want
> working on your car!
>
> Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced technicians
> or butchers on flat rate!
>
> The End.
>
> Refinish King
Jeeps don't start to fall apart until the day after the warranty
expires.
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noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com says...
> A clearer definition of flat rate:
>
> If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an arbitrary
> figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it comes
> back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted warranty
> time.
>
> Guess what? you fix it for free!
>
> So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you want
> working on your car!
>
> Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced technicians
> or butchers on flat rate!
>
> The End.
>
> Refinish King
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
In article <xdqGc.6191$PO3.1875@fe39.usenetserver.com>,
noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com says...
> A clearer definition of flat rate:
>
> If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an arbitrary
> figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it comes
> back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted warranty
> time.
>
> Guess what? you fix it for free!
>
> So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you want
> working on your car!
>
> Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced technicians
> or butchers on flat rate!
>
> The End.
>
> Refinish King
Jeeps don't start to fall apart until the day after the warranty
expires.
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noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com says...
> A clearer definition of flat rate:
>
> If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an arbitrary
> figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it comes
> back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted warranty
> time.
>
> Guess what? you fix it for free!
>
> So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you want
> working on your car!
>
> Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced technicians
> or butchers on flat rate!
>
> The End.
>
> Refinish King
Jeeps don't start to fall apart until the day after the warranty
expires.
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