Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
07-08-2004, 07:14 PM
#261
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
when was the last time you went into a dealer aftermarket maybe but dealers
is a whole different thing
Refinish King wrote:
> A clearer definition of flat rate:
>
> If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an arbitrary
> figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it comes
> back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted warranty
> time.
>
> Guess what? you fix it for free!
>
> So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you want
> working on your car!
>
> Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced technicians
> or butchers on flat rate!
>
> The End.
>
> Refinish King
>
> "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > >
> > >
> > > mic canic wrote:
> > >
> > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars first
> time
> > >
> > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > >
> > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > > the second time.....
> > >
> > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > > hours anyway
> > >
> > > Johan
> > >
> >
> > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > --
> > ____________________
> > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
is a whole different thing
Refinish King wrote:
> A clearer definition of flat rate:
>
> If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an arbitrary
> figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it comes
> back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted warranty
> time.
>
> Guess what? you fix it for free!
>
> So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you want
> working on your car!
>
> Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced technicians
> or butchers on flat rate!
>
> The End.
>
> Refinish King
>
> "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > >
> > >
> > > mic canic wrote:
> > >
> > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars first
> time
> > >
> > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > >
> > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > > the second time.....
> > >
> > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > > hours anyway
> > >
> > > Johan
> > >
> >
> > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > --
> > ____________________
> > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
07-08-2004, 07:44 PM
#262
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Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
I worked at a dealer:
I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
Refinish King
"mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:40EDD5F2.8C3D7753@cac.net...
> when was the last time you went into a dealer aftermarket maybe but
dealers
> is a whole different thing
>
> Refinish King wrote:
>
> > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> >
> > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
arbitrary
> > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
comes
> > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
warranty
> > time.
> >
> > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> >
> > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you
want
> > working on your car!
> >
> > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
technicians
> > or butchers on flat rate!
> >
> > The End.
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
first
> > time
> > > >
> > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > >
> > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for
free
> > > > the second time.....
> > > >
> > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your
8
> > > > hours anyway
> > > >
> > > > Johan
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > --
> > > ____________________
> > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>
I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
Refinish King
"mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:40EDD5F2.8C3D7753@cac.net...
> when was the last time you went into a dealer aftermarket maybe but
dealers
> is a whole different thing
>
> Refinish King wrote:
>
> > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> >
> > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
arbitrary
> > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
comes
> > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
warranty
> > time.
> >
> > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> >
> > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you
want
> > working on your car!
> >
> > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
technicians
> > or butchers on flat rate!
> >
> > The End.
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
first
> > time
> > > >
> > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > >
> > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for
free
> > > > the second time.....
> > > >
> > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your
8
> > > > hours anyway
> > > >
> > > > Johan
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > --
> > > ____________________
> > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>
07-08-2004, 07:44 PM
#263
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Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
I worked at a dealer:
I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
Refinish King
"mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:40EDD5F2.8C3D7753@cac.net...
> when was the last time you went into a dealer aftermarket maybe but
dealers
> is a whole different thing
>
> Refinish King wrote:
>
> > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> >
> > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
arbitrary
> > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
comes
> > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
warranty
> > time.
> >
> > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> >
> > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you
want
> > working on your car!
> >
> > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
technicians
> > or butchers on flat rate!
> >
> > The End.
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
first
> > time
> > > >
> > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > >
> > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for
free
> > > > the second time.....
> > > >
> > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your
8
> > > > hours anyway
> > > >
> > > > Johan
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > --
> > > ____________________
> > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>
I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
Refinish King
"mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:40EDD5F2.8C3D7753@cac.net...
> when was the last time you went into a dealer aftermarket maybe but
dealers
> is a whole different thing
>
> Refinish King wrote:
>
> > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> >
> > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
arbitrary
> > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
comes
> > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
warranty
> > time.
> >
> > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> >
> > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you
want
> > working on your car!
> >
> > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
technicians
> > or butchers on flat rate!
> >
> > The End.
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
first
> > time
> > > >
> > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > >
> > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for
free
> > > > the second time.....
> > > >
> > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your
8
> > > > hours anyway
> > > >
> > > > Johan
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > --
> > > ____________________
> > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>
07-08-2004, 07:44 PM
#264
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Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
I worked at a dealer:
I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
Refinish King
"mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:40EDD5F2.8C3D7753@cac.net...
> when was the last time you went into a dealer aftermarket maybe but
dealers
> is a whole different thing
>
> Refinish King wrote:
>
> > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> >
> > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
arbitrary
> > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
comes
> > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
warranty
> > time.
> >
> > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> >
> > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you
want
> > working on your car!
> >
> > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
technicians
> > or butchers on flat rate!
> >
> > The End.
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
first
> > time
> > > >
> > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > >
> > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for
free
> > > > the second time.....
> > > >
> > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your
8
> > > > hours anyway
> > > >
> > > > Johan
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > --
> > > ____________________
> > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>
I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
Refinish King
"mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:40EDD5F2.8C3D7753@cac.net...
> when was the last time you went into a dealer aftermarket maybe but
dealers
> is a whole different thing
>
> Refinish King wrote:
>
> > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> >
> > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
arbitrary
> > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
comes
> > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
warranty
> > time.
> >
> > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> >
> > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you
want
> > working on your car!
> >
> > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
technicians
> > or butchers on flat rate!
> >
> > The End.
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
first
> > time
> > > >
> > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > >
> > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for
free
> > > > the second time.....
> > > >
> > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your
8
> > > > hours anyway
> > > >
> > > > Johan
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > --
> > > ____________________
> > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>
07-08-2004, 07:44 PM
#265
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
I worked at a dealer:
I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
Refinish King
"mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:40EDD5F2.8C3D7753@cac.net...
> when was the last time you went into a dealer aftermarket maybe but
dealers
> is a whole different thing
>
> Refinish King wrote:
>
> > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> >
> > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
arbitrary
> > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
comes
> > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
warranty
> > time.
> >
> > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> >
> > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you
want
> > working on your car!
> >
> > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
technicians
> > or butchers on flat rate!
> >
> > The End.
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
first
> > time
> > > >
> > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > >
> > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for
free
> > > > the second time.....
> > > >
> > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your
8
> > > > hours anyway
> > > >
> > > > Johan
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > --
> > > ____________________
> > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>
I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
Refinish King
"mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:40EDD5F2.8C3D7753@cac.net...
> when was the last time you went into a dealer aftermarket maybe but
dealers
> is a whole different thing
>
> Refinish King wrote:
>
> > A clearer definition of flat rate:
> >
> > If the rate manual gives four hours to do a particular job, for an
arbitrary
> > figure. You take eight hours. You get paid for four hours, and if it
comes
> > back for defective workmanship, not a part failure in the allotted
warranty
> > time.
> >
> > Guess what? you fix it for free!
> >
> > So in essence, a flat rate technician is most likely the technician you
want
> > working on your car!
> >
> > Employers are very leery about putting shoddy or inexperienced
technicians
> > or butchers on flat rate!
> >
> > The End.
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1b53e9d59ccc2e809898cc@news.eastlink.ca.. .
> > > In article <KysFc.3227$oD3.1853@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> > > johanberkhoff.spam@earthlink.net says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mic canic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > end the flat rate pay system and everyone will have fixed cars
first
> > time
> > > >
> > > > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> > > >
> > > > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for
free
> > > > the second time.....
> > > >
> > > > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your
8
> > > > hours anyway
> > > >
> > > > Johan
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you know what flat rate means? It means you'll get paid the same
> > > even if you work on it for twice as long as you're getting paid for to
> > > fix it right, so where's the incentive?
> > > --
> > > ____________________
> > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>
07-08-2004, 07:58 PM
#266
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Japanese?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Refinish King wrote:
>
> I worked at a dealer:
>
> I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
>
> Refinish King
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Refinish King wrote:
>
> I worked at a dealer:
>
> I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
>
> Refinish King
07-08-2004, 07:58 PM
#267
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Japanese?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Refinish King wrote:
>
> I worked at a dealer:
>
> I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
>
> Refinish King
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Refinish King wrote:
>
> I worked at a dealer:
>
> I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
>
> Refinish King
07-08-2004, 07:58 PM
#268
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Japanese?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Refinish King wrote:
>
> I worked at a dealer:
>
> I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
>
> Refinish King
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Refinish King wrote:
>
> I worked at a dealer:
>
> I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
>
> Refinish King
07-08-2004, 07:58 PM
#269
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Japanese?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Refinish King wrote:
>
> I worked at a dealer:
>
> I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
>
> Refinish King
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Refinish King wrote:
>
> I worked at a dealer:
>
> I averaged $1800.00 a week on warrantee work only!
>
> Refinish King
07-09-2004, 03:40 PM
#270
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Bill:
Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
What do you mean by "normal labor rates". If you refer to the dealer's
posted retail labor rate, then your statement "none of the auto
manufacturers-----" is completely untrue. The manuf. rate for warranty
reimbursement can be up to and even above the retail rate IF HE MEETS THE
QUALIFYING LEVEL FOR TRAINING ETC. SET BY THE MANUFACTURER. If he doesn't,
his reimbursement rate will be lower. In fact in some areas, by law, the
reimbursement rate for warranty work must at least be at the retail level.
Concerning time, the manuf. Labor Time Guides are there for a guide to
time for retail use and serve as the time allowance for warranty use. They
are time studied by the manuf. using ALL HAND TOOLS then a approx. 30%
allowance for incidentals added before being published. Time study records
are available from all manuf. to support their times. In fact the retail
Mitchell Manuals, so often used by the shops to support their incompetence,
are based on the manuf. times plus 30-40% to make them attractive to the
retail shop repair business.
Half-truths can be dangerous in this business.
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> You know none of the auto manufactures pay the normal labor rates a
> flat rate suggests, on warranty work, right? If you were asked to take a
> job on gratis, would you be happy, would devote your normal time to the
> that job, or would you rush it, so as to get back on the payroll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohanB wrote:
> >
> > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> >
> > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > the second time.....
> >
> > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > hours anyway
> >
> > Johan
Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
What do you mean by "normal labor rates". If you refer to the dealer's
posted retail labor rate, then your statement "none of the auto
manufacturers-----" is completely untrue. The manuf. rate for warranty
reimbursement can be up to and even above the retail rate IF HE MEETS THE
QUALIFYING LEVEL FOR TRAINING ETC. SET BY THE MANUFACTURER. If he doesn't,
his reimbursement rate will be lower. In fact in some areas, by law, the
reimbursement rate for warranty work must at least be at the retail level.
Concerning time, the manuf. Labor Time Guides are there for a guide to
time for retail use and serve as the time allowance for warranty use. They
are time studied by the manuf. using ALL HAND TOOLS then a approx. 30%
allowance for incidentals added before being published. Time study records
are available from all manuf. to support their times. In fact the retail
Mitchell Manuals, so often used by the shops to support their incompetence,
are based on the manuf. times plus 30-40% to make them attractive to the
retail shop repair business.
Half-truths can be dangerous in this business.
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> You know none of the auto manufactures pay the normal labor rates a
> flat rate suggests, on warranty work, right? If you were asked to take a
> job on gratis, would you be happy, would devote your normal time to the
> that job, or would you rush it, so as to get back on the payroll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohanB wrote:
> >
> > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> >
> > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > the second time.....
> >
> > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > hours anyway
> >
> > Johan