Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
#271
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Bill:
Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
What do you mean by "normal labor rates". If you refer to the dealer's
posted retail labor rate, then your statement "none of the auto
manufacturers-----" is completely untrue. The manuf. rate for warranty
reimbursement can be up to and even above the retail rate IF HE MEETS THE
QUALIFYING LEVEL FOR TRAINING ETC. SET BY THE MANUFACTURER. If he doesn't,
his reimbursement rate will be lower. In fact in some areas, by law, the
reimbursement rate for warranty work must at least be at the retail level.
Concerning time, the manuf. Labor Time Guides are there for a guide to
time for retail use and serve as the time allowance for warranty use. They
are time studied by the manuf. using ALL HAND TOOLS then a approx. 30%
allowance for incidentals added before being published. Time study records
are available from all manuf. to support their times. In fact the retail
Mitchell Manuals, so often used by the shops to support their incompetence,
are based on the manuf. times plus 30-40% to make them attractive to the
retail shop repair business.
Half-truths can be dangerous in this business.
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40E68596.347ABB0F@***.net...
> You know none of the auto manufactures pay the normal labor rates a
> flat rate suggests, on warranty work, right? If you were asked to take a
> job on gratis, would you be happy, would devote your normal time to the
> that job, or would you rush it, so as to get back on the payroll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohanB wrote:
> >
> > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> >
> > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > the second time.....
> >
> > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > hours anyway
> >
> > Johan
Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
What do you mean by "normal labor rates". If you refer to the dealer's
posted retail labor rate, then your statement "none of the auto
manufacturers-----" is completely untrue. The manuf. rate for warranty
reimbursement can be up to and even above the retail rate IF HE MEETS THE
QUALIFYING LEVEL FOR TRAINING ETC. SET BY THE MANUFACTURER. If he doesn't,
his reimbursement rate will be lower. In fact in some areas, by law, the
reimbursement rate for warranty work must at least be at the retail level.
Concerning time, the manuf. Labor Time Guides are there for a guide to
time for retail use and serve as the time allowance for warranty use. They
are time studied by the manuf. using ALL HAND TOOLS then a approx. 30%
allowance for incidentals added before being published. Time study records
are available from all manuf. to support their times. In fact the retail
Mitchell Manuals, so often used by the shops to support their incompetence,
are based on the manuf. times plus 30-40% to make them attractive to the
retail shop repair business.
Half-truths can be dangerous in this business.
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40E68596.347ABB0F@***.net...
> You know none of the auto manufactures pay the normal labor rates a
> flat rate suggests, on warranty work, right? If you were asked to take a
> job on gratis, would you be happy, would devote your normal time to the
> that job, or would you rush it, so as to get back on the payroll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohanB wrote:
> >
> > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> >
> > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > the second time.....
> >
> > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > hours anyway
> >
> > Johan
#272
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Bill:
Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
What do you mean by "normal labor rates". If you refer to the dealer's
posted retail labor rate, then your statement "none of the auto
manufacturers-----" is completely untrue. The manuf. rate for warranty
reimbursement can be up to and even above the retail rate IF HE MEETS THE
QUALIFYING LEVEL FOR TRAINING ETC. SET BY THE MANUFACTURER. If he doesn't,
his reimbursement rate will be lower. In fact in some areas, by law, the
reimbursement rate for warranty work must at least be at the retail level.
Concerning time, the manuf. Labor Time Guides are there for a guide to
time for retail use and serve as the time allowance for warranty use. They
are time studied by the manuf. using ALL HAND TOOLS then a approx. 30%
allowance for incidentals added before being published. Time study records
are available from all manuf. to support their times. In fact the retail
Mitchell Manuals, so often used by the shops to support their incompetence,
are based on the manuf. times plus 30-40% to make them attractive to the
retail shop repair business.
Half-truths can be dangerous in this business.
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40E68596.347ABB0F@***.net...
> You know none of the auto manufactures pay the normal labor rates a
> flat rate suggests, on warranty work, right? If you were asked to take a
> job on gratis, would you be happy, would devote your normal time to the
> that job, or would you rush it, so as to get back on the payroll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohanB wrote:
> >
> > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> >
> > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > the second time.....
> >
> > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > hours anyway
> >
> > Johan
Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
What do you mean by "normal labor rates". If you refer to the dealer's
posted retail labor rate, then your statement "none of the auto
manufacturers-----" is completely untrue. The manuf. rate for warranty
reimbursement can be up to and even above the retail rate IF HE MEETS THE
QUALIFYING LEVEL FOR TRAINING ETC. SET BY THE MANUFACTURER. If he doesn't,
his reimbursement rate will be lower. In fact in some areas, by law, the
reimbursement rate for warranty work must at least be at the retail level.
Concerning time, the manuf. Labor Time Guides are there for a guide to
time for retail use and serve as the time allowance for warranty use. They
are time studied by the manuf. using ALL HAND TOOLS then a approx. 30%
allowance for incidentals added before being published. Time study records
are available from all manuf. to support their times. In fact the retail
Mitchell Manuals, so often used by the shops to support their incompetence,
are based on the manuf. times plus 30-40% to make them attractive to the
retail shop repair business.
Half-truths can be dangerous in this business.
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40E68596.347ABB0F@***.net...
> You know none of the auto manufactures pay the normal labor rates a
> flat rate suggests, on warranty work, right? If you were asked to take a
> job on gratis, would you be happy, would devote your normal time to the
> that job, or would you rush it, so as to get back on the payroll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohanB wrote:
> >
> > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> >
> > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > the second time.....
> >
> > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > hours anyway
> >
> > Johan
#273
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Bill:
Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
What do you mean by "normal labor rates". If you refer to the dealer's
posted retail labor rate, then your statement "none of the auto
manufacturers-----" is completely untrue. The manuf. rate for warranty
reimbursement can be up to and even above the retail rate IF HE MEETS THE
QUALIFYING LEVEL FOR TRAINING ETC. SET BY THE MANUFACTURER. If he doesn't,
his reimbursement rate will be lower. In fact in some areas, by law, the
reimbursement rate for warranty work must at least be at the retail level.
Concerning time, the manuf. Labor Time Guides are there for a guide to
time for retail use and serve as the time allowance for warranty use. They
are time studied by the manuf. using ALL HAND TOOLS then a approx. 30%
allowance for incidentals added before being published. Time study records
are available from all manuf. to support their times. In fact the retail
Mitchell Manuals, so often used by the shops to support their incompetence,
are based on the manuf. times plus 30-40% to make them attractive to the
retail shop repair business.
Half-truths can be dangerous in this business.
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40E68596.347ABB0F@***.net...
> You know none of the auto manufactures pay the normal labor rates a
> flat rate suggests, on warranty work, right? If you were asked to take a
> job on gratis, would you be happy, would devote your normal time to the
> that job, or would you rush it, so as to get back on the payroll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohanB wrote:
> >
> > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> >
> > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > the second time.....
> >
> > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > hours anyway
> >
> > Johan
Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
What do you mean by "normal labor rates". If you refer to the dealer's
posted retail labor rate, then your statement "none of the auto
manufacturers-----" is completely untrue. The manuf. rate for warranty
reimbursement can be up to and even above the retail rate IF HE MEETS THE
QUALIFYING LEVEL FOR TRAINING ETC. SET BY THE MANUFACTURER. If he doesn't,
his reimbursement rate will be lower. In fact in some areas, by law, the
reimbursement rate for warranty work must at least be at the retail level.
Concerning time, the manuf. Labor Time Guides are there for a guide to
time for retail use and serve as the time allowance for warranty use. They
are time studied by the manuf. using ALL HAND TOOLS then a approx. 30%
allowance for incidentals added before being published. Time study records
are available from all manuf. to support their times. In fact the retail
Mitchell Manuals, so often used by the shops to support their incompetence,
are based on the manuf. times plus 30-40% to make them attractive to the
retail shop repair business.
Half-truths can be dangerous in this business.
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40E68596.347ABB0F@***.net...
> You know none of the auto manufactures pay the normal labor rates a
> flat rate suggests, on warranty work, right? If you were asked to take a
> job on gratis, would you be happy, would devote your normal time to the
> that job, or would you rush it, so as to get back on the payroll?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohanB wrote:
> >
> > Do you like to xplain your logic ????
> >
> > How about fix it right the first time or you will be doing it for free
> > the second time.....
> >
> > Thats better then sit on your lazy ***, F*ck up again, and get your 8
> > hours anyway
> >
> > Johan
#274
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Robert Brace wrote:
>
> Bill:
> Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
><snip>
warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Robert Brace wrote:
>
> Bill:
> Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
><snip>
#275
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Robert Brace wrote:
>
> Bill:
> Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
><snip>
warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Robert Brace wrote:
>
> Bill:
> Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
><snip>
#276
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Robert Brace wrote:
>
> Bill:
> Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
><snip>
warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Robert Brace wrote:
>
> Bill:
> Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
><snip>
#277
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Robert Brace wrote:
>
> Bill:
> Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
><snip>
warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Robert Brace wrote:
>
> Bill:
> Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
><snip>
#278
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Bill:
Your comment said NONE of the manuf.-----
I indicated that is not true and gave you a quick primer on how those
reimbursement rates are arrived at and how they are used.
How DC reimburse their dealers specifically depends on their local
(State or Provincial) laws (if any) and the dealer's specific
qualifications. There may be some dealerships where, in fact, their
reimbursement is at a labor rate higher than their posted retail labor rate
(if you believe that flat-rate is a rip-off, try combining a higher than
retail warranty labor rate with a straight time shop!!!)
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40EEF791.573542A9@***.net...
> So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
> warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Brace wrote:
> >
> > Bill:
> > Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
> ><snip>
Your comment said NONE of the manuf.-----
I indicated that is not true and gave you a quick primer on how those
reimbursement rates are arrived at and how they are used.
How DC reimburse their dealers specifically depends on their local
(State or Provincial) laws (if any) and the dealer's specific
qualifications. There may be some dealerships where, in fact, their
reimbursement is at a labor rate higher than their posted retail labor rate
(if you believe that flat-rate is a rip-off, try combining a higher than
retail warranty labor rate with a straight time shop!!!)
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40EEF791.573542A9@***.net...
> So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
> warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Brace wrote:
> >
> > Bill:
> > Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
> ><snip>
#279
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Bill:
Your comment said NONE of the manuf.-----
I indicated that is not true and gave you a quick primer on how those
reimbursement rates are arrived at and how they are used.
How DC reimburse their dealers specifically depends on their local
(State or Provincial) laws (if any) and the dealer's specific
qualifications. There may be some dealerships where, in fact, their
reimbursement is at a labor rate higher than their posted retail labor rate
(if you believe that flat-rate is a rip-off, try combining a higher than
retail warranty labor rate with a straight time shop!!!)
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40EEF791.573542A9@***.net...
> So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
> warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Brace wrote:
> >
> > Bill:
> > Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
> ><snip>
Your comment said NONE of the manuf.-----
I indicated that is not true and gave you a quick primer on how those
reimbursement rates are arrived at and how they are used.
How DC reimburse their dealers specifically depends on their local
(State or Provincial) laws (if any) and the dealer's specific
qualifications. There may be some dealerships where, in fact, their
reimbursement is at a labor rate higher than their posted retail labor rate
(if you believe that flat-rate is a rip-off, try combining a higher than
retail warranty labor rate with a straight time shop!!!)
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40EEF791.573542A9@***.net...
> So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
> warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Brace wrote:
> >
> > Bill:
> > Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
> ><snip>
#280
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Bill:
Your comment said NONE of the manuf.-----
I indicated that is not true and gave you a quick primer on how those
reimbursement rates are arrived at and how they are used.
How DC reimburse their dealers specifically depends on their local
(State or Provincial) laws (if any) and the dealer's specific
qualifications. There may be some dealerships where, in fact, their
reimbursement is at a labor rate higher than their posted retail labor rate
(if you believe that flat-rate is a rip-off, try combining a higher than
retail warranty labor rate with a straight time shop!!!)
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40EEF791.573542A9@***.net...
> So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
> warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Brace wrote:
> >
> > Bill:
> > Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
> ><snip>
Your comment said NONE of the manuf.-----
I indicated that is not true and gave you a quick primer on how those
reimbursement rates are arrived at and how they are used.
How DC reimburse their dealers specifically depends on their local
(State or Provincial) laws (if any) and the dealer's specific
qualifications. There may be some dealerships where, in fact, their
reimbursement is at a labor rate higher than their posted retail labor rate
(if you believe that flat-rate is a rip-off, try combining a higher than
retail warranty labor rate with a straight time shop!!!)
Bob
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40EEF791.573542A9@***.net...
> So you believe Daimler reimburses the Dealer the same amount for
> warranty work as the Dealer gets for unwarranted work.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Brace wrote:
> >
> > Bill:
> > Here we go again Bill with the half-true generalities.
> ><snip>