Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
#151
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
It usually is....of course, we all know the real reason why you opened an
off-road business...to get parts at cost...
;-)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:aMAFc.14277$Qj6.9117@fed1read05...
> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both
himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to
think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if
a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't
catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
off-road business...to get parts at cost...
;-)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:aMAFc.14277$Qj6.9117@fed1read05...
> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both
himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to
think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if
a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't
catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#152
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
It usually is....of course, we all know the real reason why you opened an
off-road business...to get parts at cost...
;-)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:aMAFc.14277$Qj6.9117@fed1read05...
> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both
himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to
think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if
a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't
catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
off-road business...to get parts at cost...
;-)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:aMAFc.14277$Qj6.9117@fed1read05...
> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both
himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to
think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if
a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't
catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#153
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
It usually is....of course, we all know the real reason why you opened an
off-road business...to get parts at cost...
;-)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:aMAFc.14277$Qj6.9117@fed1read05...
> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both
himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to
think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if
a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't
catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
off-road business...to get parts at cost...
;-)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:aMAFc.14277$Qj6.9117@fed1read05...
> Heh, I have discovered that the dream and reality are different Matt. :)
>
> Doug, yes the shop foreman eventually finds out about most of the bad work
> but not all. However, I too feel that the flat rate system encourages the
> mechanic to hurry too much in an effort to make more money for both
himself
> and his shop. Trying to do a job in 3 hours that the flat rate book say
> should take 6 hours so he can make more $$$ is just asking for shoddy work
> if the mechanic is less than totally conscientious... as in tending to
think
> "that's good enough" when he hasn't really checked everything all that
> closely.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnbr5fIgAS3vdRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> > "Geezer OffRoad!" :-) Sounds like you're living my dream...
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:FlAFc.14209$Qj6.5979@fed1read05...
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:MdAFc.35101$Lh.18147@okepread01...Don't believe for one second if
a
> > > mechanic
> > > > screws up it isn't noticed by the shop forman.
> > >
> > > Doug, I recently got into the business where I have three different
> shops
> > > lifting trucks and Jeeps, installing accessories, and adding big tires
> and
> > > wheels. Believe me, I've discovered that the shop foreman doesn't
catch
> > > half the stuff the mechanic screws up... my customers and I do though.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#154
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!! /// kinda off-topic
Mike Romain wrote:
> Spoken like a true dealer tech!
>
> LOL!
>
> Man you 'sure' make mechanics look bad and make the point of the
> stereotype sleaze ball rip off dealer mechanic with about every post you
> make.
>
Hmmmmm.....
I flag an average of 10/12 hours a day , does that make me a "sleaze
ball rip off dealer mechanic" or does that mean I have more experience
in most jobs and work fast ????
A brake job pays 2 hours an axle so if you have a car with oilchange
front rear brakes and lets say 4 tires you will get 2+2+1.7+0.3= 6 hours
and do it in 3 /3.5 hours you will make money and that doesnt mean
youre ripping off the customer because he will pay $199 an axle for a
brake job, $25 for mounting/balance tires + tires and $19.95 for the
oilchange.
Yeah, DIAGNOSE a electrical or driveability problem they pays 1 hour
wich is "FREE" at pepboys etc, but remember they dont diagnose, they
pull codes trow parts at it and then send it to the dealer because it
didnt fix it.
Just because the PCM give you a 02 sensor lean code doesnt mean it needs
O2 sensors.
Unfortunaly some off those Pepboy mechanics end up at the dealer and
then offcourse some off those Pepboy mechanics really know what they are
doing and shouldnt be working there.
And then there is the labor rate, $108 an hour where I work, Please dont
think a tech still get 40/50% of the labor rate , those days are long
gone $10/15 if youre a luby $15/23 when your a cert tech and $23/30 when
youre a master tech so somebody is pocketing $70-$80 an hour and its not
the techs :-(
Just my 2c
Anyways
Happy 4th
Johan
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
#155
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!! /// kinda off-topic
Mike Romain wrote:
> Spoken like a true dealer tech!
>
> LOL!
>
> Man you 'sure' make mechanics look bad and make the point of the
> stereotype sleaze ball rip off dealer mechanic with about every post you
> make.
>
Hmmmmm.....
I flag an average of 10/12 hours a day , does that make me a "sleaze
ball rip off dealer mechanic" or does that mean I have more experience
in most jobs and work fast ????
A brake job pays 2 hours an axle so if you have a car with oilchange
front rear brakes and lets say 4 tires you will get 2+2+1.7+0.3= 6 hours
and do it in 3 /3.5 hours you will make money and that doesnt mean
youre ripping off the customer because he will pay $199 an axle for a
brake job, $25 for mounting/balance tires + tires and $19.95 for the
oilchange.
Yeah, DIAGNOSE a electrical or driveability problem they pays 1 hour
wich is "FREE" at pepboys etc, but remember they dont diagnose, they
pull codes trow parts at it and then send it to the dealer because it
didnt fix it.
Just because the PCM give you a 02 sensor lean code doesnt mean it needs
O2 sensors.
Unfortunaly some off those Pepboy mechanics end up at the dealer and
then offcourse some off those Pepboy mechanics really know what they are
doing and shouldnt be working there.
And then there is the labor rate, $108 an hour where I work, Please dont
think a tech still get 40/50% of the labor rate , those days are long
gone $10/15 if youre a luby $15/23 when your a cert tech and $23/30 when
youre a master tech so somebody is pocketing $70-$80 an hour and its not
the techs :-(
Just my 2c
Anyways
Happy 4th
Johan
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
#156
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!! /// kinda off-topic
Mike Romain wrote:
> Spoken like a true dealer tech!
>
> LOL!
>
> Man you 'sure' make mechanics look bad and make the point of the
> stereotype sleaze ball rip off dealer mechanic with about every post you
> make.
>
Hmmmmm.....
I flag an average of 10/12 hours a day , does that make me a "sleaze
ball rip off dealer mechanic" or does that mean I have more experience
in most jobs and work fast ????
A brake job pays 2 hours an axle so if you have a car with oilchange
front rear brakes and lets say 4 tires you will get 2+2+1.7+0.3= 6 hours
and do it in 3 /3.5 hours you will make money and that doesnt mean
youre ripping off the customer because he will pay $199 an axle for a
brake job, $25 for mounting/balance tires + tires and $19.95 for the
oilchange.
Yeah, DIAGNOSE a electrical or driveability problem they pays 1 hour
wich is "FREE" at pepboys etc, but remember they dont diagnose, they
pull codes trow parts at it and then send it to the dealer because it
didnt fix it.
Just because the PCM give you a 02 sensor lean code doesnt mean it needs
O2 sensors.
Unfortunaly some off those Pepboy mechanics end up at the dealer and
then offcourse some off those Pepboy mechanics really know what they are
doing and shouldnt be working there.
And then there is the labor rate, $108 an hour where I work, Please dont
think a tech still get 40/50% of the labor rate , those days are long
gone $10/15 if youre a luby $15/23 when your a cert tech and $23/30 when
youre a master tech so somebody is pocketing $70-$80 an hour and its not
the techs :-(
Just my 2c
Anyways
Happy 4th
Johan
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
#157
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Posts: n/a
Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!! /// kinda off-topic
Mike Romain wrote:
> Spoken like a true dealer tech!
>
> LOL!
>
> Man you 'sure' make mechanics look bad and make the point of the
> stereotype sleaze ball rip off dealer mechanic with about every post you
> make.
>
Hmmmmm.....
I flag an average of 10/12 hours a day , does that make me a "sleaze
ball rip off dealer mechanic" or does that mean I have more experience
in most jobs and work fast ????
A brake job pays 2 hours an axle so if you have a car with oilchange
front rear brakes and lets say 4 tires you will get 2+2+1.7+0.3= 6 hours
and do it in 3 /3.5 hours you will make money and that doesnt mean
youre ripping off the customer because he will pay $199 an axle for a
brake job, $25 for mounting/balance tires + tires and $19.95 for the
oilchange.
Yeah, DIAGNOSE a electrical or driveability problem they pays 1 hour
wich is "FREE" at pepboys etc, but remember they dont diagnose, they
pull codes trow parts at it and then send it to the dealer because it
didnt fix it.
Just because the PCM give you a 02 sensor lean code doesnt mean it needs
O2 sensors.
Unfortunaly some off those Pepboy mechanics end up at the dealer and
then offcourse some off those Pepboy mechanics really know what they are
doing and shouldnt be working there.
And then there is the labor rate, $108 an hour where I work, Please dont
think a tech still get 40/50% of the labor rate , those days are long
gone $10/15 if youre a luby $15/23 when your a cert tech and $23/30 when
youre a master tech so somebody is pocketing $70-$80 an hour and its not
the techs :-(
Just my 2c
Anyways
Happy 4th
Johan
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
#158
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Well, you get antiques for free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> It usually is....of course, we all know the real reason why you opened an
> off-road business...to get parts at cost...
>
> ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> It usually is....of course, we all know the real reason why you opened an
> off-road business...to get parts at cost...
>
> ;-)
#159
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Well, you get antiques for free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> It usually is....of course, we all know the real reason why you opened an
> off-road business...to get parts at cost...
>
> ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> It usually is....of course, we all know the real reason why you opened an
> off-road business...to get parts at cost...
>
> ;-)
#160
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Re: Grand Cherokee Owners - Fight back!!
Well, you get antiques for free.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> It usually is....of course, we all know the real reason why you opened an
> off-road business...to get parts at cost...
>
> ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> It usually is....of course, we all know the real reason why you opened an
> off-road business...to get parts at cost...
>
> ;-)