Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Nitrous supplies the oxygen to burn more gasoline. The set up is a
plate that fits under the carburetor, with heated nozzles and solenoids
that pour nitrous from one side and another set that shoots more
gasoline in from the other side. They come in sizes like this size bolts
a hundred and twenty five horse power to your engine:
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...96&prmenbr=361
You'd probably have hundreds of ten second launches. Usually something
breaks before your run out of pressure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Sorry about your friend, Bill. The carb is the stock one the Waggy came with
> (its going to be replaced with an Edelbrock shortly). The propane unit is
> heated by a radiator take off, and then goes into a unit which bolts on top
> of
> the carb. I had it freeze once at the propane unit when it was very cold
> outside but the engine just stopped. The carb doesn't seem to get that cold
> really. Out of interest, how much gas comes out a nitrous bottle during
> the 10 second shot ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
drew a blank from them too.)

What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
\-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
junkyard in those days.

Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.

I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
drew a blank from them too.)

What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
\-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
junkyard in those days.

Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.

I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
drew a blank from them too.)

What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
\-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
junkyard in those days.

Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.

I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The old El Camino and a Dodge burned because the valves were not
converted to steel inserts to use unleaded fuel. Their engines were
total junk by the time they fired back through the carburetor.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
> Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
> boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
> fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
> well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
> local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
> drew a blank from them too.)
>
> What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
> machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
> backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
> switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
> you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
> would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
> Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
> rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
> \-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
> junkyard in those days.
>
> Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
> electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
> is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.
>
> I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
> the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
> no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
> be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The old El Camino and a Dodge burned because the valves were not
converted to steel inserts to use unleaded fuel. Their engines were
total junk by the time they fired back through the carburetor.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
> Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
> boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
> fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
> well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
> local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
> drew a blank from them too.)
>
> What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
> machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
> backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
> switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
> you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
> would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
> Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
> rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
> \-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
> junkyard in those days.
>
> Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
> electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
> is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.
>
> I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
> the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
> no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
> be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The old El Camino and a Dodge burned because the valves were not
converted to steel inserts to use unleaded fuel. Their engines were
total junk by the time they fired back through the carburetor.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
> Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
> boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
> fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
> well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
> local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
> drew a blank from them too.)
>
> What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
> machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
> backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
> switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
> you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
> would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
> Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
> rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
> \-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
> junkyard in those days.
>
> Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
> electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
> is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.
>
> I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
> the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
> no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
> be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Wow, you get American Haggis ! In a Can !
http://www.caledoniankitchen.com

Haggis, Rooties and Tatties - I suppose it has a certain
ring to it ...


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:cUKZc.230$ta6.4360241@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Yes, McSweens is probably the best make. It tastes great, but it doesn't
> do to think too closely about it. The lamb stomach is used as the wrapper
> to hold it all together ( the cheaper brands use plastic).
>
> On the other hand, its probably better than eating a sausage. Or
commercial
> pies which have the tastefully named "mechanically recovered meat"
> where they it off the bone in a slurry.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kszZc.70151$yh.5100@fed1read05...
> > Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
> > lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and
> OH
> > MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb
stomach,
> > mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc..
> Holy
> > Smoke! :D
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside
temperature
> > > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> > > moving.
> > > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
> petrol
> > > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it
happening.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> > >> >
> > >> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > >> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually
killing
> > >> > > the
> > >> > driver
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> > >> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> > >> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> > >> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> > >> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> > >> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
> > >>
> > >> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> > >> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> > >> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> > >> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> > >> couldn't get to it.
> > >>
> > >> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is
the
> > >> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> > >> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> > >> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> > >> gas carburetor setups too.)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Wow, you get American Haggis ! In a Can !
http://www.caledoniankitchen.com

Haggis, Rooties and Tatties - I suppose it has a certain
ring to it ...


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:cUKZc.230$ta6.4360241@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Yes, McSweens is probably the best make. It tastes great, but it doesn't
> do to think too closely about it. The lamb stomach is used as the wrapper
> to hold it all together ( the cheaper brands use plastic).
>
> On the other hand, its probably better than eating a sausage. Or
commercial
> pies which have the tastefully named "mechanically recovered meat"
> where they it off the bone in a slurry.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kszZc.70151$yh.5100@fed1read05...
> > Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
> > lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and
> OH
> > MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb
stomach,
> > mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc..
> Holy
> > Smoke! :D
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside
temperature
> > > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> > > moving.
> > > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
> petrol
> > > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it
happening.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> > >> >
> > >> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > >> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually
killing
> > >> > > the
> > >> > driver
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> > >> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> > >> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> > >> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> > >> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> > >> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
> > >>
> > >> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> > >> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> > >> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> > >> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> > >> couldn't get to it.
> > >>
> > >> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is
the
> > >> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> > >> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> > >> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> > >> gas carburetor setups too.)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Wow, you get American Haggis ! In a Can !
http://www.caledoniankitchen.com

Haggis, Rooties and Tatties - I suppose it has a certain
ring to it ...


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:cUKZc.230$ta6.4360241@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Yes, McSweens is probably the best make. It tastes great, but it doesn't
> do to think too closely about it. The lamb stomach is used as the wrapper
> to hold it all together ( the cheaper brands use plastic).
>
> On the other hand, its probably better than eating a sausage. Or
commercial
> pies which have the tastefully named "mechanically recovered meat"
> where they it off the bone in a slurry.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kszZc.70151$yh.5100@fed1read05...
> > Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
> > lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and
> OH
> > MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb
stomach,
> > mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc..
> Holy
> > Smoke! :D
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside
temperature
> > > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> > > moving.
> > > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
> petrol
> > > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it
happening.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> > >> >
> > >> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > >> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually
killing
> > >> > > the
> > >> > driver
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> > >> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> > >> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> > >> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> > >> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> > >> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
> > >>
> > >> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> > >> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> > >> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> > >> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> > >> couldn't get to it.
> > >>
> > >> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is
the
> > >> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> > >> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> > >> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> > >> gas carburetor setups too.)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>