Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

You are blowing charter manure out your hindquarters because no
factory Jeep/Willys/AMC/AM General ever had a single wire alternator.
No production vehicle does.

The laws of physics don't change if it's a car, truck, boat,
airplane, or blimp. Someone outside your holy fraternity/circle jerk
has pointed out a fact.

I happened to see the reporting of that fact.

And, expecting not gratitude but smartass peckerwood remarks from a
couple of hick dumbshits, did it anyway.

You want to ignore what seems like pretty good advice, it's your
right as an American (for those of you in the US) and probably in any
other country too.

But when the single wire aftermarket alternator has a full field mode
failure and cooks your ECM, body computer, and all your stereo and
antitheft equipment, remember, I told you it could happen.

I said could, not would. It might never do that. And if you put in
effective crowbar protection, it would be even less likely. But as for
me, I'm sticking with the conventional regulators. I figure the
combined wisdom of all the OEMS might be worth following.

So either stick to the pros and cons of the technical issue or be
quiet.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The pot was Bill, not you. But now you are equally deserved.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4149A5B6.41F95F43@sympatico.ca...
> So looking back over your posts leads me to believe 'you' have serious
> issues with this newsgroup's Charter.
>
> 'You' seem to want to jump me when I mention it.
>
> Is this because 'You' are the one starting and continuing a lot of these
> off topic bull ---- posts so figure if you can put me down or get folks
> to not take the Charter seriously, 'you' can still get away with posting
> your political and off topic BS???
>
> That is how you come across from this end.
>
> And 'you' have the nerve to call a pot and kettle on 'me' in 'this'
> thread.
>
> Mike
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Mike, it's getting increasingly difficult to distinguish your postings
from
> > Bill H.'s The tipoff is usually yours have fewer mispellings and
typos...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4148ECC0.8BA3E083@sympatico.ca...
> > > WTF are you talking about?
> > >
> > > We drive Jeeps here. The GM alternators are some of the better ones
out
> > > there.
> > >
> > > All you want to do is talk off topic bull ----. Who gives a crap what
> > > an airplane needs or some airplane bozo thinks it doesn't need? This
> > > group does have a Charter you know and you sure don't seem to fit
here.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Ted Azito wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One wire alternators, for those who haven't figured it out, are Bad
> > > > News.
> > > >
> > > > "Contact" magazine, a publication for experimental aircraft people
> > > > who want to Experiment and not build cookie cutter airplanes with
> > > > overpriced junk Lycomings,explains this in a recent excellent
article.
> > > > They would not appreciate me scanning it and posting it but it
> > > > essentially says that one wire alternators have a failure mode,
> > > > voltage runaway, that is the most damaging possible thing.
> > > >
> > > > The auto companies don't build one wire alternators even though it
> > > > would be easier and cheaper. They would save on wire, connectors, et
> > > > al.
> > > >
> > > > A really professional electrical system install would have both BAT
> > > > and ALT master switches, just like Cessnas and Pipers that use auto
> > > > alternators (with the FAA's blessing like Hot Dogs at Friday night
> > > > church carnivals in the minnow muncher days, and as necessary...)
and
> > > > a crowbar circuit on the buses for engine and body ECMs, and the
> > > > radio.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The pot was Bill, not you. But now you are equally deserved.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4149A5B6.41F95F43@sympatico.ca...
> So looking back over your posts leads me to believe 'you' have serious
> issues with this newsgroup's Charter.
>
> 'You' seem to want to jump me when I mention it.
>
> Is this because 'You' are the one starting and continuing a lot of these
> off topic bull ---- posts so figure if you can put me down or get folks
> to not take the Charter seriously, 'you' can still get away with posting
> your political and off topic BS???
>
> That is how you come across from this end.
>
> And 'you' have the nerve to call a pot and kettle on 'me' in 'this'
> thread.
>
> Mike
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Mike, it's getting increasingly difficult to distinguish your postings
from
> > Bill H.'s The tipoff is usually yours have fewer mispellings and
typos...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4148ECC0.8BA3E083@sympatico.ca...
> > > WTF are you talking about?
> > >
> > > We drive Jeeps here. The GM alternators are some of the better ones
out
> > > there.
> > >
> > > All you want to do is talk off topic bull ----. Who gives a crap what
> > > an airplane needs or some airplane bozo thinks it doesn't need? This
> > > group does have a Charter you know and you sure don't seem to fit
here.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Ted Azito wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One wire alternators, for those who haven't figured it out, are Bad
> > > > News.
> > > >
> > > > "Contact" magazine, a publication for experimental aircraft people
> > > > who want to Experiment and not build cookie cutter airplanes with
> > > > overpriced junk Lycomings,explains this in a recent excellent
article.
> > > > They would not appreciate me scanning it and posting it but it
> > > > essentially says that one wire alternators have a failure mode,
> > > > voltage runaway, that is the most damaging possible thing.
> > > >
> > > > The auto companies don't build one wire alternators even though it
> > > > would be easier and cheaper. They would save on wire, connectors, et
> > > > al.
> > > >
> > > > A really professional electrical system install would have both BAT
> > > > and ALT master switches, just like Cessnas and Pipers that use auto
> > > > alternators (with the FAA's blessing like Hot Dogs at Friday night
> > > > church carnivals in the minnow muncher days, and as necessary...)
and
> > > > a crowbar circuit on the buses for engine and body ECMs, and the
> > > > radio.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The pot was Bill, not you. But now you are equally deserved.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4149A5B6.41F95F43@sympatico.ca...
> So looking back over your posts leads me to believe 'you' have serious
> issues with this newsgroup's Charter.
>
> 'You' seem to want to jump me when I mention it.
>
> Is this because 'You' are the one starting and continuing a lot of these
> off topic bull ---- posts so figure if you can put me down or get folks
> to not take the Charter seriously, 'you' can still get away with posting
> your political and off topic BS???
>
> That is how you come across from this end.
>
> And 'you' have the nerve to call a pot and kettle on 'me' in 'this'
> thread.
>
> Mike
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Mike, it's getting increasingly difficult to distinguish your postings
from
> > Bill H.'s The tipoff is usually yours have fewer mispellings and
typos...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4148ECC0.8BA3E083@sympatico.ca...
> > > WTF are you talking about?
> > >
> > > We drive Jeeps here. The GM alternators are some of the better ones
out
> > > there.
> > >
> > > All you want to do is talk off topic bull ----. Who gives a crap what
> > > an airplane needs or some airplane bozo thinks it doesn't need? This
> > > group does have a Charter you know and you sure don't seem to fit
here.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Ted Azito wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One wire alternators, for those who haven't figured it out, are Bad
> > > > News.
> > > >
> > > > "Contact" magazine, a publication for experimental aircraft people
> > > > who want to Experiment and not build cookie cutter airplanes with
> > > > overpriced junk Lycomings,explains this in a recent excellent
article.
> > > > They would not appreciate me scanning it and posting it but it
> > > > essentially says that one wire alternators have a failure mode,
> > > > voltage runaway, that is the most damaging possible thing.
> > > >
> > > > The auto companies don't build one wire alternators even though it
> > > > would be easier and cheaper. They would save on wire, connectors, et
> > > > al.
> > > >
> > > > A really professional electrical system install would have both BAT
> > > > and ALT master switches, just like Cessnas and Pipers that use auto
> > > > alternators (with the FAA's blessing like Hot Dogs at Friday night
> > > > church carnivals in the minnow muncher days, and as necessary...)
and
> > > > a crowbar circuit on the buses for engine and body ECMs, and the
> > > > radio.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Yo foole...

'You' are the one and so is the article about 'home made airplanes' you
pointed to are saying the 'proper use' of the term I used does not
exist. So be it, try and correct me, don't spout off OT BS about it
when 'you' obviously have no freakin clue what it is.

The 80's CJ7's and the 70's GM's I owned use a GM alternator with the
'one wire' power connection, referred to around here as a 'one wire GM
alternator'.

Maybe incorrectly referred that way because the field wire is actually
hooked up to the key 'run' or coil power wire rather than relying on
high rpm to turn it on like the true 'one wire' hack would do. Though I
have never seen anyone silly enough not to hook up the field wire. The
sense wire is just jumped to the 'batt' wire on the back of the
alternator.

These are some of the easiest to convert to and the easiest to replace
and rebuild alternators out there.

http://mightymo.org/Proj_OneWire.html

If I made an error in a term, that is one thing, but to come back
spouting bull ---- about airplanes and some 'snake oil' product they
don't like is just BS and nothing more. If you will note, 'my' link
about it is actually is a Jeep link!

It's like you want yourself heard or are severely lacking in attention
or something....

If you read the 'Jeep' posts here instead of just having private OT
hissy fits at folks, you might have noticed the recent thread about
bypassing the $1000.00 (used) computer's voltage regulator in the TJ
when it quits with a GM 'one wire' for about a hundred bucks. Even
bllsht agreed it would work but leave the 'check engine' light on.

You 'were' asking about bypassing the TJ computer weren't you?

Or were you just trolling and being a total ass?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> You are blowing charter manure out your hindquarters because no
> factory Jeep/Willys/AMC/AM General ever had a single wire alternator.
> No production vehicle does.
>
> The laws of physics don't change if it's a car, truck, boat,
> airplane, or blimp. Someone outside your holy fraternity/circle jerk
> has pointed out a fact.
>
> I happened to see the reporting of that fact.
>
> And, expecting not gratitude but smartass peckerwood remarks from a
> couple of hick dumbshits, did it anyway.
>
> You want to ignore what seems like pretty good advice, it's your
> right as an American (for those of you in the US) and probably in any
> other country too.
>
> But when the single wire aftermarket alternator has a full field mode
> failure and cooks your ECM, body computer, and all your stereo and
> antitheft equipment, remember, I told you it could happen.
>
> I said could, not would. It might never do that. And if you put in
> effective crowbar protection, it would be even less likely. But as for
> me, I'm sticking with the conventional regulators. I figure the
> combined wisdom of all the OEMS might be worth following.
>
> So either stick to the pros and cons of the technical issue or be
> quiet.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Yo foole...

'You' are the one and so is the article about 'home made airplanes' you
pointed to are saying the 'proper use' of the term I used does not
exist. So be it, try and correct me, don't spout off OT BS about it
when 'you' obviously have no freakin clue what it is.

The 80's CJ7's and the 70's GM's I owned use a GM alternator with the
'one wire' power connection, referred to around here as a 'one wire GM
alternator'.

Maybe incorrectly referred that way because the field wire is actually
hooked up to the key 'run' or coil power wire rather than relying on
high rpm to turn it on like the true 'one wire' hack would do. Though I
have never seen anyone silly enough not to hook up the field wire. The
sense wire is just jumped to the 'batt' wire on the back of the
alternator.

These are some of the easiest to convert to and the easiest to replace
and rebuild alternators out there.

http://mightymo.org/Proj_OneWire.html

If I made an error in a term, that is one thing, but to come back
spouting bull ---- about airplanes and some 'snake oil' product they
don't like is just BS and nothing more. If you will note, 'my' link
about it is actually is a Jeep link!

It's like you want yourself heard or are severely lacking in attention
or something....

If you read the 'Jeep' posts here instead of just having private OT
hissy fits at folks, you might have noticed the recent thread about
bypassing the $1000.00 (used) computer's voltage regulator in the TJ
when it quits with a GM 'one wire' for about a hundred bucks. Even
bllsht agreed it would work but leave the 'check engine' light on.

You 'were' asking about bypassing the TJ computer weren't you?

Or were you just trolling and being a total ass?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> You are blowing charter manure out your hindquarters because no
> factory Jeep/Willys/AMC/AM General ever had a single wire alternator.
> No production vehicle does.
>
> The laws of physics don't change if it's a car, truck, boat,
> airplane, or blimp. Someone outside your holy fraternity/circle jerk
> has pointed out a fact.
>
> I happened to see the reporting of that fact.
>
> And, expecting not gratitude but smartass peckerwood remarks from a
> couple of hick dumbshits, did it anyway.
>
> You want to ignore what seems like pretty good advice, it's your
> right as an American (for those of you in the US) and probably in any
> other country too.
>
> But when the single wire aftermarket alternator has a full field mode
> failure and cooks your ECM, body computer, and all your stereo and
> antitheft equipment, remember, I told you it could happen.
>
> I said could, not would. It might never do that. And if you put in
> effective crowbar protection, it would be even less likely. But as for
> me, I'm sticking with the conventional regulators. I figure the
> combined wisdom of all the OEMS might be worth following.
>
> So either stick to the pros and cons of the technical issue or be
> quiet.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Yo foole...

'You' are the one and so is the article about 'home made airplanes' you
pointed to are saying the 'proper use' of the term I used does not
exist. So be it, try and correct me, don't spout off OT BS about it
when 'you' obviously have no freakin clue what it is.

The 80's CJ7's and the 70's GM's I owned use a GM alternator with the
'one wire' power connection, referred to around here as a 'one wire GM
alternator'.

Maybe incorrectly referred that way because the field wire is actually
hooked up to the key 'run' or coil power wire rather than relying on
high rpm to turn it on like the true 'one wire' hack would do. Though I
have never seen anyone silly enough not to hook up the field wire. The
sense wire is just jumped to the 'batt' wire on the back of the
alternator.

These are some of the easiest to convert to and the easiest to replace
and rebuild alternators out there.

http://mightymo.org/Proj_OneWire.html

If I made an error in a term, that is one thing, but to come back
spouting bull ---- about airplanes and some 'snake oil' product they
don't like is just BS and nothing more. If you will note, 'my' link
about it is actually is a Jeep link!

It's like you want yourself heard or are severely lacking in attention
or something....

If you read the 'Jeep' posts here instead of just having private OT
hissy fits at folks, you might have noticed the recent thread about
bypassing the $1000.00 (used) computer's voltage regulator in the TJ
when it quits with a GM 'one wire' for about a hundred bucks. Even
bllsht agreed it would work but leave the 'check engine' light on.

You 'were' asking about bypassing the TJ computer weren't you?

Or were you just trolling and being a total ass?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> You are blowing charter manure out your hindquarters because no
> factory Jeep/Willys/AMC/AM General ever had a single wire alternator.
> No production vehicle does.
>
> The laws of physics don't change if it's a car, truck, boat,
> airplane, or blimp. Someone outside your holy fraternity/circle jerk
> has pointed out a fact.
>
> I happened to see the reporting of that fact.
>
> And, expecting not gratitude but smartass peckerwood remarks from a
> couple of hick dumbshits, did it anyway.
>
> You want to ignore what seems like pretty good advice, it's your
> right as an American (for those of you in the US) and probably in any
> other country too.
>
> But when the single wire aftermarket alternator has a full field mode
> failure and cooks your ECM, body computer, and all your stereo and
> antitheft equipment, remember, I told you it could happen.
>
> I said could, not would. It might never do that. And if you put in
> effective crowbar protection, it would be even less likely. But as for
> me, I'm sticking with the conventional regulators. I figure the
> combined wisdom of all the OEMS might be worth following.
>
> So either stick to the pros and cons of the technical issue or be
> quiet.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

You're so ignorant! Look at a wire at any diagram, sure the wires
run all over the place, but even you may see that battery is jumped and
one ignition switched excite wire. Probably most the Jeeps running on
the road now have been converted to a Delco Alternator and one excite
wire. And all the Real Jeeps: http://www.oldengine.org/unfaq/10si.htm
and: http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tech/Alte...onversions.htm Your a
total ---- head, I doubt even your parents can stand you!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> You are blowing charter manure out your hindquarters because no
> factory Jeep/Willys/AMC/AM General ever had a single wire alternator.
> No production vehicle does.
>
> The laws of physics don't change if it's a car, truck, boat,
> airplane, or blimp. Someone outside your holy fraternity/circle jerk
> has pointed out a fact.
>
> I happened to see the reporting of that fact.
>
> And, expecting not gratitude but smartass peckerwood remarks from a
> couple of hick dumbshits, did it anyway.
>
> You want to ignore what seems like pretty good advice, it's your
> right as an American (for those of you in the US) and probably in any
> other country too.
>
> But when the single wire aftermarket alternator has a full field mode
> failure and cooks your ECM, body computer, and all your stereo and
> antitheft equipment, remember, I told you it could happen.
>
> I said could, not would. It might never do that. And if you put in
> effective crowbar protection, it would be even less likely. But as for
> me, I'm sticking with the conventional regulators. I figure the
> combined wisdom of all the OEMS might be worth following.
>
> So either stick to the pros and cons of the technical issue or be
> quiet.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

You're so ignorant! Look at a wire at any diagram, sure the wires
run all over the place, but even you may see that battery is jumped and
one ignition switched excite wire. Probably most the Jeeps running on
the road now have been converted to a Delco Alternator and one excite
wire. And all the Real Jeeps: http://www.oldengine.org/unfaq/10si.htm
and: http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tech/Alte...onversions.htm Your a
total ---- head, I doubt even your parents can stand you!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> You are blowing charter manure out your hindquarters because no
> factory Jeep/Willys/AMC/AM General ever had a single wire alternator.
> No production vehicle does.
>
> The laws of physics don't change if it's a car, truck, boat,
> airplane, or blimp. Someone outside your holy fraternity/circle jerk
> has pointed out a fact.
>
> I happened to see the reporting of that fact.
>
> And, expecting not gratitude but smartass peckerwood remarks from a
> couple of hick dumbshits, did it anyway.
>
> You want to ignore what seems like pretty good advice, it's your
> right as an American (for those of you in the US) and probably in any
> other country too.
>
> But when the single wire aftermarket alternator has a full field mode
> failure and cooks your ECM, body computer, and all your stereo and
> antitheft equipment, remember, I told you it could happen.
>
> I said could, not would. It might never do that. And if you put in
> effective crowbar protection, it would be even less likely. But as for
> me, I'm sticking with the conventional regulators. I figure the
> combined wisdom of all the OEMS might be worth following.
>
> So either stick to the pros and cons of the technical issue or be
> quiet.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

You're so ignorant! Look at a wire at any diagram, sure the wires
run all over the place, but even you may see that battery is jumped and
one ignition switched excite wire. Probably most the Jeeps running on
the road now have been converted to a Delco Alternator and one excite
wire. And all the Real Jeeps: http://www.oldengine.org/unfaq/10si.htm
and: http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tech/Alte...onversions.htm Your a
total ---- head, I doubt even your parents can stand you!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> You are blowing charter manure out your hindquarters because no
> factory Jeep/Willys/AMC/AM General ever had a single wire alternator.
> No production vehicle does.
>
> The laws of physics don't change if it's a car, truck, boat,
> airplane, or blimp. Someone outside your holy fraternity/circle jerk
> has pointed out a fact.
>
> I happened to see the reporting of that fact.
>
> And, expecting not gratitude but smartass peckerwood remarks from a
> couple of hick dumbshits, did it anyway.
>
> You want to ignore what seems like pretty good advice, it's your
> right as an American (for those of you in the US) and probably in any
> other country too.
>
> But when the single wire aftermarket alternator has a full field mode
> failure and cooks your ECM, body computer, and all your stereo and
> antitheft equipment, remember, I told you it could happen.
>
> I said could, not would. It might never do that. And if you put in
> effective crowbar protection, it would be even less likely. But as for
> me, I'm sticking with the conventional regulators. I figure the
> combined wisdom of all the OEMS might be worth following.
>
> So either stick to the pros and cons of the technical issue or be
> quiet.