Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Ummm.

By "one wire alternator" I mean the Aftermarket modified alternator
that has only the output terminal, nothing else.

The standard internal regulator GM alternator is a "two wire"
alternator, it has the output terminal and a exciter wire. This is a
good alternator and I have one on my Benz, the previous owner did the
conversion. No one says this isn't a good alternator.

As far as the stock TJ alternator, I can't believe there isn't a
convenient alternative to the regulator based in the computer, and in
fact there is.

I just meant to point out that the true one wire alternator, which is
sold mostly through street rod outlets (O'Reilly and AutoZone, whom I
just called, all knew off them but didn't have one. Said they were
bad.) is not a great idea.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Ummm.

By "one wire alternator" I mean the Aftermarket modified alternator
that has only the output terminal, nothing else.

The standard internal regulator GM alternator is a "two wire"
alternator, it has the output terminal and a exciter wire. This is a
good alternator and I have one on my Benz, the previous owner did the
conversion. No one says this isn't a good alternator.

As far as the stock TJ alternator, I can't believe there isn't a
convenient alternative to the regulator based in the computer, and in
fact there is.

I just meant to point out that the true one wire alternator, which is
sold mostly through street rod outlets (O'Reilly and AutoZone, whom I
just called, all knew off them but didn't have one. Said they were
bad.) is not a great idea.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Ummm.

By "one wire alternator" I mean the Aftermarket modified alternator
that has only the output terminal, nothing else.

The standard internal regulator GM alternator is a "two wire"
alternator, it has the output terminal and a exciter wire. This is a
good alternator and I have one on my Benz, the previous owner did the
conversion. No one says this isn't a good alternator.

As far as the stock TJ alternator, I can't believe there isn't a
convenient alternative to the regulator based in the computer, and in
fact there is.

I just meant to point out that the true one wire alternator, which is
sold mostly through street rod outlets (O'Reilly and AutoZone, whom I
just called, all knew off them but didn't have one. Said they were
bad.) is not a great idea.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I have stayed away from this discussion for as long as I can.

Why in Hell would anybody want to take off a fuel injection system in favor
of a carburator?

I just can't get over the feeling you guys are making a giant leap
backwards. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.




"Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53da461.0408311553.e0d335d@posting.google.co m...
> I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> rid of the computer. Never mind why...
>
> Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> manifold and injectors?
>
> He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> big problem?
>
> (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)
>
> We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I have stayed away from this discussion for as long as I can.

Why in Hell would anybody want to take off a fuel injection system in favor
of a carburator?

I just can't get over the feeling you guys are making a giant leap
backwards. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.




"Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53da461.0408311553.e0d335d@posting.google.co m...
> I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> rid of the computer. Never mind why...
>
> Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> manifold and injectors?
>
> He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> big problem?
>
> (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)
>
> We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I have stayed away from this discussion for as long as I can.

Why in Hell would anybody want to take off a fuel injection system in favor
of a carburator?

I just can't get over the feeling you guys are making a giant leap
backwards. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.




"Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53da461.0408311553.e0d335d@posting.google.co m...
> I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> rid of the computer. Never mind why...
>
> Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> manifold and injectors?
>
> He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> big problem?
>
> (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)
>
> We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

LOL!

I have even priced out points style distributors for mine so I can get
rid of all the engine electronics! Man when you are over 100 miles from
the nearest parts and 30 or more from phone service, it is so nice to
have things you can just trail fix.

Fond memories of coming out with a gas can on the hood and one once in
the back seat gravity feeding the engine....

Plus you can 'tweak' mechanical systems so nice. Very little you can do
to boost a 4.0. Add a carb, nice intake and headers and a hot spark
with a custom timing curve and that puppy could fly.....

And yes, I for one actually 'like' getting under there and tweaking up
the carb so it just purrs or thumps depending on what I want to do that
day.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

CRWLR wrote:
>
> I have stayed away from this discussion for as long as I can.
>
> Why in Hell would anybody want to take off a fuel injection system in favor
> of a carburator?
>
> I just can't get over the feeling you guys are making a giant leap
> backwards. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
>
> "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b53da461.0408311553.e0d335d@posting.google.co m...
> > I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> > rid of the computer. Never mind why...
> >
> > Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> > electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> > problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> > al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> > manifold and injectors?
> >
> > He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> > big problem?
> >
> > (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> > front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> > propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)
> >
> > We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> > still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> > fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

LOL!

I have even priced out points style distributors for mine so I can get
rid of all the engine electronics! Man when you are over 100 miles from
the nearest parts and 30 or more from phone service, it is so nice to
have things you can just trail fix.

Fond memories of coming out with a gas can on the hood and one once in
the back seat gravity feeding the engine....

Plus you can 'tweak' mechanical systems so nice. Very little you can do
to boost a 4.0. Add a carb, nice intake and headers and a hot spark
with a custom timing curve and that puppy could fly.....

And yes, I for one actually 'like' getting under there and tweaking up
the carb so it just purrs or thumps depending on what I want to do that
day.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

CRWLR wrote:
>
> I have stayed away from this discussion for as long as I can.
>
> Why in Hell would anybody want to take off a fuel injection system in favor
> of a carburator?
>
> I just can't get over the feeling you guys are making a giant leap
> backwards. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
>
> "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b53da461.0408311553.e0d335d@posting.google.co m...
> > I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> > rid of the computer. Never mind why...
> >
> > Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> > electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> > problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> > al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> > manifold and injectors?
> >
> > He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> > big problem?
> >
> > (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> > front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> > propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)
> >
> > We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> > still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> > fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

LOL!

I have even priced out points style distributors for mine so I can get
rid of all the engine electronics! Man when you are over 100 miles from
the nearest parts and 30 or more from phone service, it is so nice to
have things you can just trail fix.

Fond memories of coming out with a gas can on the hood and one once in
the back seat gravity feeding the engine....

Plus you can 'tweak' mechanical systems so nice. Very little you can do
to boost a 4.0. Add a carb, nice intake and headers and a hot spark
with a custom timing curve and that puppy could fly.....

And yes, I for one actually 'like' getting under there and tweaking up
the carb so it just purrs or thumps depending on what I want to do that
day.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

CRWLR wrote:
>
> I have stayed away from this discussion for as long as I can.
>
> Why in Hell would anybody want to take off a fuel injection system in favor
> of a carburator?
>
> I just can't get over the feeling you guys are making a giant leap
> backwards. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
>
> "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b53da461.0408311553.e0d335d@posting.google.co m...
> > I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> > rid of the computer. Never mind why...
> >
> > Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> > electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> > problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> > al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> > manifold and injectors?
> >
> > He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> > big problem?
> >
> > (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> > front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> > propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)
> >
> > We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> > still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> > fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The Delco 'one wire' is actually a three wire. They have the excite and
sense and battery wires. In a stock CJ and early YJ format, the sense
wire is just tagged to the battery wire and the field wire is off the
coil power wire.

The 'one wire' hack version just doesn't hook up the field so it needs
3000 rpm to turn on. These are crap for a low rpm Jeep.

The version they sell has a crappy regulator that 'leaks' voltage easy
enough to be 'self energizing'. It is the same alternator. I can see
how they could consider this a 'bad' thing. LOL!

You even have to put some diode protection in the field wire with some
aftermarket ignitions or the alternator can run away with the Jeep, but
wired right, they are one of the easiest and best to convert to from any
system.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Ummm.
>
> By "one wire alternator" I mean the Aftermarket modified alternator
> that has only the output terminal, nothing else.
>
> The standard internal regulator GM alternator is a "two wire"
> alternator, it has the output terminal and a exciter wire. This is a
> good alternator and I have one on my Benz, the previous owner did the
> conversion. No one says this isn't a good alternator.
>
> As far as the stock TJ alternator, I can't believe there isn't a
> convenient alternative to the regulator based in the computer, and in
> fact there is.
>
> I just meant to point out that the true one wire alternator, which is
> sold mostly through street rod outlets (O'Reilly and AutoZone, whom I
> just called, all knew off them but didn't have one. Said they were
> bad.) is not a great idea.