Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
rid of the computer. Never mind why...

Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
manifold and injectors?

He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
big problem?

(I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)

We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

You may trick out the factory computer with Chrysler's DRB-III
scanner tool: http://miller.spx.com/data/DC02-07A.pdf
Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
driver.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> rid of the computer. Never mind why...
>
> Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> manifold and injectors?
>
> He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> big problem?
>
> (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)
>
> We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

You may trick out the factory computer with Chrysler's DRB-III
scanner tool: http://miller.spx.com/data/DC02-07A.pdf
Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
driver.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> rid of the computer. Never mind why...
>
> Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> manifold and injectors?
>
> He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> big problem?
>
> (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)
>
> We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

You may trick out the factory computer with Chrysler's DRB-III
scanner tool: http://miller.spx.com/data/DC02-07A.pdf
Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
driver.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> rid of the computer. Never mind why...
>
> Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> manifold and injectors?
>
> He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> big problem?
>
> (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> propane is more than gas out here and stations are often pricks.)
>
> We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I run propane in my waggy, and I'm still here. No problems with it,
as long as you don't use it until the engine is warm.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
driver

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I run propane in my waggy, and I'm still here. No problems with it,
as long as you don't use it until the engine is warm.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
driver

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I run propane in my waggy, and I'm still here. No problems with it,
as long as you don't use it until the engine is warm.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
driver

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
> driver



Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.

But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
couldn't get to it.

Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
gas carburetor setups too.)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
> driver



Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.

But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
couldn't get to it.

Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
gas carburetor setups too.)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
> driver



Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.

But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
couldn't get to it.

Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
gas carburetor setups too.)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I would dearly love to fly over to Poland and install a gas
regulator on your throttle body free of charge! If you had lived here in
America during the propane conversions of the seventies, you wouldn't
sound so.... stupid.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
>
> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> couldn't get to it.
>
> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> gas carburetor setups too.)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I would dearly love to fly over to Poland and install a gas
regulator on your throttle body free of charge! If you had lived here in
America during the propane conversions of the seventies, you wouldn't
sound so.... stupid.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
>
> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> couldn't get to it.
>
> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> gas carburetor setups too.)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I would dearly love to fly over to Poland and install a gas
regulator on your throttle body free of charge! If you had lived here in
America during the propane conversions of the seventies, you wouldn't
sound so.... stupid.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
>
> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> couldn't get to it.
>
> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> gas carburetor setups too.)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from moving.
However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on petrol
with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ

"Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
> > driver
>
>
>
> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
>
> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> couldn't get to it.
>
> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> gas carburetor setups too.)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from moving.
However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on petrol
with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ

"Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
> > driver
>
>
>
> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
>
> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> couldn't get to it.
>
> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> gas carburetor setups too.)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from moving.
However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on petrol
with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ

"Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing the
> > driver
>
>
>
> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
>
> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> couldn't get to it.
>
> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> gas carburetor setups too.)

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and OH
MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb stomach,
mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc.. Holy
Smoke! :D

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> moving.
> However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on petrol
> with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
>
> "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
>> >
>> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
>> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing
>> > > the
>> > driver
>>
>>
>>
>> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
>> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
>> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
>> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
>> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
>> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
>>
>> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
>> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
>> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
>> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
>> couldn't get to it.
>>
>> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
>> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
>> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
>> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
>> gas carburetor setups too.)
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and OH
MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb stomach,
mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc.. Holy
Smoke! :D

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> moving.
> However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on petrol
> with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
>
> "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
>> >
>> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
>> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing
>> > > the
>> > driver
>>
>>
>>
>> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
>> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
>> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
>> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
>> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
>> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
>>
>> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
>> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
>> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
>> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
>> couldn't get to it.
>>
>> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
>> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
>> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
>> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
>> gas carburetor setups too.)
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and OH
MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb stomach,
mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc.. Holy
Smoke! :D

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> moving.
> However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on petrol
> with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
>
> "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
>> >
>> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
>> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing
>> > > the
>> > driver
>>
>>
>>
>> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
>> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
>> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
>> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
>> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
>> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
>>
>> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
>> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
>> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
>> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
>> couldn't get to it.
>>
>> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
>> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
>> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
>> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
>> gas carburetor setups too.)
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Hi Dave,
The company that made the conversion kit for you are use special
materials. Like the carburetor your using isn't the stock gasoline one
your car came with, as the first kits here in California, that froze, in
ninety degree weather. Remember like your Air Conditioning you are
releasing gas under pressure, which freezes. A friend was killed a
couple of years ago with a similar gas, nitrous froze full throttle.
Learn never use it for more than ten seconds.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from moving.
> However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on petrol
> with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Hi Dave,
The company that made the conversion kit for you are use special
materials. Like the carburetor your using isn't the stock gasoline one
your car came with, as the first kits here in California, that froze, in
ninety degree weather. Remember like your Air Conditioning you are
releasing gas under pressure, which freezes. A friend was killed a
couple of years ago with a similar gas, nitrous froze full throttle.
Learn never use it for more than ten seconds.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from moving.
> However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on petrol
> with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Hi Dave,
The company that made the conversion kit for you are use special
materials. Like the carburetor your using isn't the stock gasoline one
your car came with, as the first kits here in California, that froze, in
ninety degree weather. Remember like your Air Conditioning you are
releasing gas under pressure, which freezes. A friend was killed a
couple of years ago with a similar gas, nitrous froze full throttle.
Learn never use it for more than ten seconds.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from moving.
> However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on petrol
> with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Yes, McSweens is probably the best make. It tastes great, but it doesn't
do to think too closely about it. The lamb stomach is used as the wrapper
to hold it all together ( the cheaper brands use plastic).

On the other hand, its probably better than eating a sausage. Or commercial
pies which have the tastefully named "mechanically recovered meat"
where they it off the bone in a slurry.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
news:kszZc.70151$yh.5100@fed1read05...
> Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
> lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and
OH
> MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb stomach,
> mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc..
Holy
> Smoke! :D
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> > moving.
> > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
petrol
> > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> >> >
> >> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> >> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing
> >> > > the
> >> > driver
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> >> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> >> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> >> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> >> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> >> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
> >>
> >> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> >> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> >> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> >> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> >> couldn't get to it.
> >>
> >> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
> >> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> >> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> >> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> >> gas carburetor setups too.)
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Yes, McSweens is probably the best make. It tastes great, but it doesn't
do to think too closely about it. The lamb stomach is used as the wrapper
to hold it all together ( the cheaper brands use plastic).

On the other hand, its probably better than eating a sausage. Or commercial
pies which have the tastefully named "mechanically recovered meat"
where they it off the bone in a slurry.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
news:kszZc.70151$yh.5100@fed1read05...
> Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
> lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and
OH
> MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb stomach,
> mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc..
Holy
> Smoke! :D
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> > moving.
> > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
petrol
> > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> >> >
> >> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> >> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing
> >> > > the
> >> > driver
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> >> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> >> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> >> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> >> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> >> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
> >>
> >> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> >> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> >> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> >> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> >> couldn't get to it.
> >>
> >> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
> >> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> >> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> >> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> >> gas carburetor setups too.)
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Yes, McSweens is probably the best make. It tastes great, but it doesn't
do to think too closely about it. The lamb stomach is used as the wrapper
to hold it all together ( the cheaper brands use plastic).

On the other hand, its probably better than eating a sausage. Or commercial
pies which have the tastefully named "mechanically recovered meat"
where they it off the bone in a slurry.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
news:kszZc.70151$yh.5100@fed1read05...
> Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
> lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and
OH
> MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb stomach,
> mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc..
Holy
> Smoke! :D
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> > moving.
> > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
petrol
> > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> >> >
> >> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> >> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually killing
> >> > > the
> >> > driver
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> >> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> >> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> >> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> >> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> >> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
> >>
> >> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> >> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> >> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> >> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> >> couldn't get to it.
> >>
> >> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is the
> >> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> >> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> >> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> >> gas carburetor setups too.)
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Sorry about your friend, Bill. The carb is the stock one the Waggy came with
(its going to be replaced with an Edelbrock shortly). The propane unit is
heated by a radiator take off, and then goes into a unit which bolts on top
of
the carb. I had it freeze once at the propane unit when it was very cold
outside but the engine just stopped. The carb doesn't seem to get that cold
really. Out of interest, how much gas comes out a nitrous bottle during
the 10 second shot ?


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@c
ox.net> wrote in message news:41376FC5.8BC59EB8@cox.net...
> Hi Dave,
> The company that made the conversion kit for you are use special
> materials. Like the carburetor your using isn't the stock gasoline one
> your car came with, as the first kits here in California, that froze, in
> ninety degree weather. Remember like your Air Conditioning you are
> releasing gas under pressure, which freezes. A friend was killed a
> couple of years ago with a similar gas, nitrous froze full throttle.
> Learn never use it for more than ten seconds.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
moving.
> > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
petrol
> > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Sorry about your friend, Bill. The carb is the stock one the Waggy came with
(its going to be replaced with an Edelbrock shortly). The propane unit is
heated by a radiator take off, and then goes into a unit which bolts on top
of
the carb. I had it freeze once at the propane unit when it was very cold
outside but the engine just stopped. The carb doesn't seem to get that cold
really. Out of interest, how much gas comes out a nitrous bottle during
the 10 second shot ?


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@c
ox.net> wrote in message news:41376FC5.8BC59EB8@cox.net...
> Hi Dave,
> The company that made the conversion kit for you are use special
> materials. Like the carburetor your using isn't the stock gasoline one
> your car came with, as the first kits here in California, that froze, in
> ninety degree weather. Remember like your Air Conditioning you are
> releasing gas under pressure, which freezes. A friend was killed a
> couple of years ago with a similar gas, nitrous froze full throttle.
> Learn never use it for more than ten seconds.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
moving.
> > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
petrol
> > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Sorry about your friend, Bill. The carb is the stock one the Waggy came with
(its going to be replaced with an Edelbrock shortly). The propane unit is
heated by a radiator take off, and then goes into a unit which bolts on top
of
the carb. I had it freeze once at the propane unit when it was very cold
outside but the engine just stopped. The carb doesn't seem to get that cold
really. Out of interest, how much gas comes out a nitrous bottle during
the 10 second shot ?


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@c
ox.net> wrote in message news:41376FC5.8BC59EB8@cox.net...
> Hi Dave,
> The company that made the conversion kit for you are use special
> materials. Like the carburetor your using isn't the stock gasoline one
> your car came with, as the first kits here in California, that froze, in
> ninety degree weather. Remember like your Air Conditioning you are
> releasing gas under pressure, which freezes. A friend was killed a
> couple of years ago with a similar gas, nitrous froze full throttle.
> Learn never use it for more than ten seconds.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside temperature
> > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
moving.
> > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
petrol
> > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it happening.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Nitrous supplies the oxygen to burn more gasoline. The set up is a
plate that fits under the carburetor, with heated nozzles and solenoids
that pour nitrous from one side and another set that shoots more
gasoline in from the other side. They come in sizes like this size bolts
a hundred and twenty five horse power to your engine:
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...96&prmenbr=361
You'd probably have hundreds of ten second launches. Usually something
breaks before your run out of pressure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Sorry about your friend, Bill. The carb is the stock one the Waggy came with
> (its going to be replaced with an Edelbrock shortly). The propane unit is
> heated by a radiator take off, and then goes into a unit which bolts on top
> of
> the carb. I had it freeze once at the propane unit when it was very cold
> outside but the engine just stopped. The carb doesn't seem to get that cold
> really. Out of interest, how much gas comes out a nitrous bottle during
> the 10 second shot ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Nitrous supplies the oxygen to burn more gasoline. The set up is a
plate that fits under the carburetor, with heated nozzles and solenoids
that pour nitrous from one side and another set that shoots more
gasoline in from the other side. They come in sizes like this size bolts
a hundred and twenty five horse power to your engine:
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...96&prmenbr=361
You'd probably have hundreds of ten second launches. Usually something
breaks before your run out of pressure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Sorry about your friend, Bill. The carb is the stock one the Waggy came with
> (its going to be replaced with an Edelbrock shortly). The propane unit is
> heated by a radiator take off, and then goes into a unit which bolts on top
> of
> the carb. I had it freeze once at the propane unit when it was very cold
> outside but the engine just stopped. The carb doesn't seem to get that cold
> really. Out of interest, how much gas comes out a nitrous bottle during
> the 10 second shot ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Nitrous supplies the oxygen to burn more gasoline. The set up is a
plate that fits under the carburetor, with heated nozzles and solenoids
that pour nitrous from one side and another set that shoots more
gasoline in from the other side. They come in sizes like this size bolts
a hundred and twenty five horse power to your engine:
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...96&prmenbr=361
You'd probably have hundreds of ten second launches. Usually something
breaks before your run out of pressure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Sorry about your friend, Bill. The carb is the stock one the Waggy came with
> (its going to be replaced with an Edelbrock shortly). The propane unit is
> heated by a radiator take off, and then goes into a unit which bolts on top
> of
> the carb. I had it freeze once at the propane unit when it was very cold
> outside but the engine just stopped. The carb doesn't seem to get that cold
> really. Out of interest, how much gas comes out a nitrous bottle during
> the 10 second shot ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
drew a blank from them too.)

What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
\-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
junkyard in those days.

Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.

I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
drew a blank from them too.)

What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
\-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
junkyard in those days.

Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.

I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
drew a blank from them too.)

What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
\-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
junkyard in those days.

Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.

I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The old El Camino and a Dodge burned because the valves were not
converted to steel inserts to use unleaded fuel. Their engines were
total junk by the time they fired back through the carburetor.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
> Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
> boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
> fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
> well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
> local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
> drew a blank from them too.)
>
> What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
> machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
> backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
> switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
> you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
> would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
> Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
> rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
> \-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
> junkyard in those days.
>
> Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
> electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
> is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.
>
> I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
> the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
> no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
> be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The old El Camino and a Dodge burned because the valves were not
converted to steel inserts to use unleaded fuel. Their engines were
total junk by the time they fired back through the carburetor.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
> Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
> boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
> fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
> well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
> local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
> drew a blank from them too.)
>
> What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
> machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
> backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
> switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
> you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
> would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
> Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
> rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
> \-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
> junkyard in those days.
>
> Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
> electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
> is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.
>
> I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
> the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
> no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
> be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

The old El Camino and a Dodge burned because the valves were not
converted to steel inserts to use unleaded fuel. Their engines were
total junk by the time they fired back through the carburetor.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I had an uncle that had an El Camino and a Dodge chassis small RV ( a
> Mickey Mouse deal built out of the cheap siding they sell via
> boiler-room phone operations to hicks and old people) that were dual
> fuel in that time period so I remember them, in America, and quite
> well. Throttle sticking at WOT was unheard of. (And a phone call to a
> local propane place that maintains several propane burners in the area
> drew a blank from them too.)
>
> What DID happen to Uncle Dummy (he was actually smart, but not about
> machinery) not once but twice was an underhood fire started by a
> backfire. There was a three position knob, gas/off/propane and to
> switch you put it in the middle under load then when it dropped power
> you pushed in or pulled out all the way. He'd ram the handle in and it
> would backfire and light the gasoline filled carburetor off. The El
> Camino melted the entire engine top and they had to repaint the hood,
> rewire everything, and change a lot of stuff. The Dodge-with a
> \-Six-wasn't badly damaged: you could get another $10 carb from the
> junkyard in those days.
>
> Dual fuel worked poorly in those days, but a properly engineered
> electronic system today might work fine. Straight propane done right
> is the best way to run a spark ignition engine there is.
>
> I think 0||||||0 is just an old channelmaster (remember those, from
> the Chicken Bandit days?) that if it "ain't how he was raised it ain't
> no good." They didn't have this stuff when he was a kid, so it can't
> be worth a ---- and is probably communist to boot.

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Wow, you get American Haggis ! In a Can !
http://www.caledoniankitchen.com

Haggis, Rooties and Tatties - I suppose it has a certain
ring to it ...


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:cUKZc.230$ta6.4360241@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Yes, McSweens is probably the best make. It tastes great, but it doesn't
> do to think too closely about it. The lamb stomach is used as the wrapper
> to hold it all together ( the cheaper brands use plastic).
>
> On the other hand, its probably better than eating a sausage. Or
commercial
> pies which have the tastefully named "mechanically recovered meat"
> where they it off the bone in a slurry.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kszZc.70151$yh.5100@fed1read05...
> > Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
> > lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and
> OH
> > MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb
stomach,
> > mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc..
> Holy
> > Smoke! :D
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside
temperature
> > > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> > > moving.
> > > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
> petrol
> > > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it
happening.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> > >> >
> > >> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > >> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually
killing
> > >> > > the
> > >> > driver
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> > >> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> > >> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> > >> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> > >> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> > >> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
> > >>
> > >> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> > >> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> > >> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> > >> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> > >> couldn't get to it.
> > >>
> > >> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is
the
> > >> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> > >> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> > >> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> > >> gas carburetor setups too.)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Wow, you get American Haggis ! In a Can !
http://www.caledoniankitchen.com

Haggis, Rooties and Tatties - I suppose it has a certain
ring to it ...


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:cUKZc.230$ta6.4360241@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Yes, McSweens is probably the best make. It tastes great, but it doesn't
> do to think too closely about it. The lamb stomach is used as the wrapper
> to hold it all together ( the cheaper brands use plastic).
>
> On the other hand, its probably better than eating a sausage. Or
commercial
> pies which have the tastefully named "mechanically recovered meat"
> where they it off the bone in a slurry.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kszZc.70151$yh.5100@fed1read05...
> > Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
> > lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and
> OH
> > MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb
stomach,
> > mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc..
> Holy
> > Smoke! :D
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside
temperature
> > > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> > > moving.
> > > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
> petrol
> > > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it
happening.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> > >> >
> > >> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > >> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually
killing
> > >> > > the
> > >> > driver
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> > >> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> > >> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> > >> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> > >> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> > >> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
> > >>
> > >> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> > >> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> > >> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> > >> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> > >> couldn't get to it.
> > >>
> > >> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is
the
> > >> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> > >> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> > >> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> > >> gas carburetor setups too.)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Getting Rid of Computer in Current TJ (without engine swap)
 

Wow, you get American Haggis ! In a Can !
http://www.caledoniankitchen.com

Haggis, Rooties and Tatties - I suppose it has a certain
ring to it ...


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:cUKZc.230$ta6.4360241@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Yes, McSweens is probably the best make. It tastes great, but it doesn't
> do to think too closely about it. The lamb stomach is used as the wrapper
> to hold it all together ( the cheaper brands use plastic).
>
> On the other hand, its probably better than eating a sausage. Or
commercial
> pies which have the tastefully named "mechanically recovered meat"
> where they it off the bone in a slurry.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kszZc.70151$yh.5100@fed1read05...
> > Dave, since you're from beautiful Scotland, have you had any good haggis
> > lately? I just saw the recipe for traditional haggis a few days ago and
> OH
> > MY GAWD the stuff that is in haggis!!! I mean.... sheep or lamb
stomach,
> > mutton suet, lamb's liver, "hearts and lights (?) of the sheep, etc..
> Holy
> > Smoke! :D
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:HizZc.1439$aA5.15370341@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Propane does freeze the mixer water supply when the outside
temperature
> > > is close to 32F, as the radiator thermostat prevents the water from
> > > moving.
> > > However, I've never had a problem once the engine has warmed up on
> petrol
> > > with propane at those temperatures on WOT; just can't see it
happening.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer (Propane/Petrol), '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b53da461.0409011247.2a7f2b13@posting.google.c om...
> > >> >
> > >> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:41355927.E73ED777@cox.net...
> > >> > > Propane is guarantied to freeze full throttle usually
killing
> > >> > > the
> > >> > driver
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gee, Ak Miller never had that problem-nor did any of the many
> > >> offroad, Pikes Peak, and drag racers that ran it nor anyone else I
> > >> have ever heard. I'm not saying it never ever happened-it's very
> > >> certainly not common, and I'd go so far as to say, flat impossible in
> > >> straight propane setups. Since the fuel comes in as a gas even to
> > >> over-carb dual fuel setups, I'd say it's damn rare there too.
> > >>
> > >> But if it happened-same as on a gas car-turn off the ignition. The
> > >> fuelock shuts off fuel flow cold and if the engine were at WOT it
> > >> would clear itself in less than a second. All cars today, except
> > >> Saabs, have the key on the steering column so they can't claim they
> > >> couldn't get to it.
> > >>
> > >> Bill, you've said a lot of things I don't agree with, but this is
the
> > >> first out and out dumb-as-a-rock one. This is so much horseshit I
> > >> have to believe even you don't believe it. (It might have happened on
> > >> one really shitty conversion---but it's happened on peckerwood-rigged
> > >> gas carburetor setups too.)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>