Was that in Georgia? ;^)

(Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
overdrive".)

Earle

"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:LBHRf.64978$%84.18083@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by shifting
> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>
> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law
enforcement
> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not by
> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>
> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as
you
> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>
> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are trying
> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>
> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn.
Shift
> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
> better control of your vehicle.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
> > We do these year round.
> >
> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
> >
> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
> >
> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
> >
> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
> >>
> >> 0K, here's the thing....
> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in
gear
> >> and
> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not
turning
> >> fast enough.
> >>
> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not
> >> in
> >> control anymore.
> >>
> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the
brakes.
> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
> >>
> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's
down
> >> a
> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
> >> > > control
> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
> >> > > hampered
> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
> >> > > would
> >> > > have.
> >> > >
> >> >
>
>

 

That's called Mexican overdrive out here, it's still against the
law.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle

 

That's called Mexican overdrive out here, it's still against the
law.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle

 

That's called Mexican overdrive out here, it's still against the
law.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle

 

That's called Mexican overdrive out here, it's still against the
law.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle

 

The OP was 'not' trying to stop, he was trying to do a controlled
decent.

Putting a 4x4 vehicle into neutral is a last resort when you are 'out of
control'. You may be able to stop, but you won't have control.

What works 'for me in my Jeep' is just by pure coincidence the 'exact'
way the Jeep engineers say to hold control in 'both' my CJ7's and my
XJ's owners manuals. Hmm.....

What worked in your 2 wheel drive cruiser was right for the cruiser.
Neutral can save your butt when the proportioning valve won't lock the
rear drive wheels and they want to push you on through the intersection.

As a cop, I 'highly' doubt you were trained in 4x4 control. It is
'nothing' like controlling a rear wheel drive cruiser, not even close.
Even a front wheel drive car reacts different than the rear wheel drive
cruiser. With the front wheel drive you 'give' it gas to control a
corner and your steering. In a part time 4x4 system, when you lock the
front brakes, All 4 wheels lock up and you go sideways faster than you
can blink. That is why you see a lot of them in the ditch on exit
ramps. They went to neutral and hit the brakes to slow down because
they 'heard that works' and zing, there they be in the ditch.

As a cop you also should be aware that coasting downhill in neutral is
totally illegal for the reason you cannot hold control of the vehicle.
The suspension unloads and floats and you lose any engine braking
control.

I am serious when I said I take out groups of Jeepers to learn how to
control their Jeeps in snow and ice. I have done a lot of trips with
bunches of them posted on the net at alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4.

I have tried the stopping at a mark test many many times and have tried
all combinations to get stopped. In gear with no brakes until the last
second still works best.

I 'highly' recommend folks hit an empty parking lot come first good snow
and try their 4x4 out. It will amaze and scare them with what can
happen fast. Be prepared to answer the cop correctly by saying you are
learning 4x4 when he accuses you of 'stunting' in the parking lot. ;-)

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by shifting
> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>
> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law enforcement
> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not by
> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>
> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as you
> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>
> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are trying
> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>
> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn. Shift
> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
> better control of your vehicle.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
> > We do these year round.
> >
> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
> >
> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
> >
> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
> >
> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
> >>
> >> 0K, here's the thing....
> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
> >> and
> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> >> fast enough.
> >>
> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not
> >> in
> >> control anymore.
> >>
> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
> >>
> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
> >> a
> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
> >> > > control
> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
> >> > > hampered
> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
> >> > > would
> >> > > have.
> >> > >
> >> >

 

The OP was 'not' trying to stop, he was trying to do a controlled
decent.

Putting a 4x4 vehicle into neutral is a last resort when you are 'out of
control'. You may be able to stop, but you won't have control.

What works 'for me in my Jeep' is just by pure coincidence the 'exact'
way the Jeep engineers say to hold control in 'both' my CJ7's and my
XJ's owners manuals. Hmm.....

What worked in your 2 wheel drive cruiser was right for the cruiser.
Neutral can save your butt when the proportioning valve won't lock the
rear drive wheels and they want to push you on through the intersection.

As a cop, I 'highly' doubt you were trained in 4x4 control. It is
'nothing' like controlling a rear wheel drive cruiser, not even close.
Even a front wheel drive car reacts different than the rear wheel drive
cruiser. With the front wheel drive you 'give' it gas to control a
corner and your steering. In a part time 4x4 system, when you lock the
front brakes, All 4 wheels lock up and you go sideways faster than you
can blink. That is why you see a lot of them in the ditch on exit
ramps. They went to neutral and hit the brakes to slow down because
they 'heard that works' and zing, there they be in the ditch.

As a cop you also should be aware that coasting downhill in neutral is
totally illegal for the reason you cannot hold control of the vehicle.
The suspension unloads and floats and you lose any engine braking
control.

I am serious when I said I take out groups of Jeepers to learn how to
control their Jeeps in snow and ice. I have done a lot of trips with
bunches of them posted on the net at alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4.

I have tried the stopping at a mark test many many times and have tried
all combinations to get stopped. In gear with no brakes until the last
second still works best.

I 'highly' recommend folks hit an empty parking lot come first good snow
and try their 4x4 out. It will amaze and scare them with what can
happen fast. Be prepared to answer the cop correctly by saying you are
learning 4x4 when he accuses you of 'stunting' in the parking lot. ;-)

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by shifting
> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>
> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law enforcement
> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not by
> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>
> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as you
> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>
> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are trying
> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>
> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn. Shift
> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
> better control of your vehicle.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
> > We do these year round.
> >
> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
> >
> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
> >
> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
> >
> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
> >>
> >> 0K, here's the thing....
> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
> >> and
> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> >> fast enough.
> >>
> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not
> >> in
> >> control anymore.
> >>
> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
> >>
> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
> >> a
> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
> >> > > control
> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
> >> > > hampered
> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
> >> > > would
> >> > > have.
> >> > >
> >> >

 

The OP was 'not' trying to stop, he was trying to do a controlled
decent.

Putting a 4x4 vehicle into neutral is a last resort when you are 'out of
control'. You may be able to stop, but you won't have control.

What works 'for me in my Jeep' is just by pure coincidence the 'exact'
way the Jeep engineers say to hold control in 'both' my CJ7's and my
XJ's owners manuals. Hmm.....

What worked in your 2 wheel drive cruiser was right for the cruiser.
Neutral can save your butt when the proportioning valve won't lock the
rear drive wheels and they want to push you on through the intersection.

As a cop, I 'highly' doubt you were trained in 4x4 control. It is
'nothing' like controlling a rear wheel drive cruiser, not even close.
Even a front wheel drive car reacts different than the rear wheel drive
cruiser. With the front wheel drive you 'give' it gas to control a
corner and your steering. In a part time 4x4 system, when you lock the
front brakes, All 4 wheels lock up and you go sideways faster than you
can blink. That is why you see a lot of them in the ditch on exit
ramps. They went to neutral and hit the brakes to slow down because
they 'heard that works' and zing, there they be in the ditch.

As a cop you also should be aware that coasting downhill in neutral is
totally illegal for the reason you cannot hold control of the vehicle.
The suspension unloads and floats and you lose any engine braking
control.

I am serious when I said I take out groups of Jeepers to learn how to
control their Jeeps in snow and ice. I have done a lot of trips with
bunches of them posted on the net at alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4.

I have tried the stopping at a mark test many many times and have tried
all combinations to get stopped. In gear with no brakes until the last
second still works best.

I 'highly' recommend folks hit an empty parking lot come first good snow
and try their 4x4 out. It will amaze and scare them with what can
happen fast. Be prepared to answer the cop correctly by saying you are
learning 4x4 when he accuses you of 'stunting' in the parking lot. ;-)

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by shifting
> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>
> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law enforcement
> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not by
> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>
> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as you
> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>
> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are trying
> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>
> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn. Shift
> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
> better control of your vehicle.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
> > We do these year round.
> >
> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
> >
> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
> >
> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
> >
> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
> >>
> >> 0K, here's the thing....
> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
> >> and
> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> >> fast enough.
> >>
> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not
> >> in
> >> control anymore.
> >>
> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
> >>
> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
> >> a
> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
> >> > > control
> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
> >> > > hampered
> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
> >> > > would
> >> > > have.
> >> > >
> >> >

 

The OP was 'not' trying to stop, he was trying to do a controlled
decent.

Putting a 4x4 vehicle into neutral is a last resort when you are 'out of
control'. You may be able to stop, but you won't have control.

What works 'for me in my Jeep' is just by pure coincidence the 'exact'
way the Jeep engineers say to hold control in 'both' my CJ7's and my
XJ's owners manuals. Hmm.....

What worked in your 2 wheel drive cruiser was right for the cruiser.
Neutral can save your butt when the proportioning valve won't lock the
rear drive wheels and they want to push you on through the intersection.

As a cop, I 'highly' doubt you were trained in 4x4 control. It is
'nothing' like controlling a rear wheel drive cruiser, not even close.
Even a front wheel drive car reacts different than the rear wheel drive
cruiser. With the front wheel drive you 'give' it gas to control a
corner and your steering. In a part time 4x4 system, when you lock the
front brakes, All 4 wheels lock up and you go sideways faster than you
can blink. That is why you see a lot of them in the ditch on exit
ramps. They went to neutral and hit the brakes to slow down because
they 'heard that works' and zing, there they be in the ditch.

As a cop you also should be aware that coasting downhill in neutral is
totally illegal for the reason you cannot hold control of the vehicle.
The suspension unloads and floats and you lose any engine braking
control.

I am serious when I said I take out groups of Jeepers to learn how to
control their Jeeps in snow and ice. I have done a lot of trips with
bunches of them posted on the net at alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4.

I have tried the stopping at a mark test many many times and have tried
all combinations to get stopped. In gear with no brakes until the last
second still works best.

I 'highly' recommend folks hit an empty parking lot come first good snow
and try their 4x4 out. It will amaze and scare them with what can
happen fast. Be prepared to answer the cop correctly by saying you are
learning 4x4 when he accuses you of 'stunting' in the parking lot. ;-)

Mike

Spdloader wrote:
>
> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by shifting
> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>
> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law enforcement
> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not by
> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>
> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as you
> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>
> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are trying
> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>
> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn. Shift
> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
> better control of your vehicle.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
> > We do these year round.
> >
> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
> >
> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
> >
> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
> >
> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
> >>
> >> 0K, here's the thing....
> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
> >> and
> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> >> fast enough.
> >>
> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not
> >> in
> >> control anymore.
> >>
> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
> >>
> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
> >> a
> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
> >> > > control
> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
> >> > > hampered
> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
> >> > > would
> >> > > have.
> >> > >
> >> >

 

Nope. North Cackalacky.

Spdloader


"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44174b7e$0$22058$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:LBHRf.64978$%84.18083@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by
>> shifting
>> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>>
>> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law
> enforcement
>> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not
>> by
>> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>>
>> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as
> you
>> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>>
>> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are
>> trying
>> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>>
>> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
>> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn.
> Shift
>> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
>> better control of your vehicle.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
>> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
>> > We do these year round.
>> >
>> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
>> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
>> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>> >
>> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
>> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
>> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels
>> > and
>> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
>> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>> >
>> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>> >
>> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
>> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
>> > control.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 0K, here's the thing....
>> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in
> gear
>> >> and
>> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not
> turning
>> >> fast enough.
>> >>
>> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your
>> >> not
>> >> in
>> >> control anymore.
>> >>
>> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the
> brakes.
>> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start
>> >> to
>> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
>> >>
>> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's
> down
>> >> a
>> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and
>> >> > low
>> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom
>> >> >
>> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
>> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
>> >> > > control
>> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
>> >> > > hampered
>> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
>> >> > > would
>> >> > > have.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>