Close Call!
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Re: Close Call!
You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
have.
And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
Mike Romain wrote:
> Well....
>
> The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
>
> I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
>
> In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> it. The 'part time' light means that.
>
> What are you running for rubber?
>
> Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
>
> I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
>
> Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Stimpy wrote:
>
>>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
>>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
>>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
>>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
>>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
>>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
>>small ditch to stop.
>>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
>>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
>>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
>>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
>>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
>>using the hand brake and the compression.
>>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
>>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
>>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
>>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
>>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>>
>>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
>>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
>>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
>>before trying to get it in 4LO.
Guest
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Re: Close Call!
You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
have.
And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
Mike Romain wrote:
> Well....
>
> The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
>
> I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
>
> In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> it. The 'part time' light means that.
>
> What are you running for rubber?
>
> Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
>
> I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
>
> Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Stimpy wrote:
>
>>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
>>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
>>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
>>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
>>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
>>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
>>small ditch to stop.
>>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
>>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
>>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
>>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
>>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
>>using the hand brake and the compression.
>>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
>>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
>>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
>>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
>>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>>
>>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
>>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
>>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
>>before trying to get it in 4LO.
Guest
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Re: Close Call!
You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
have.
And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
Mike Romain wrote:
> Well....
>
> The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
>
> I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
>
> In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> it. The 'part time' light means that.
>
> What are you running for rubber?
>
> Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
>
> I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
>
> Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Stimpy wrote:
>
>>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
>>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
>>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
>>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
>>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
>>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
>>small ditch to stop.
>>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
>>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
>>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
>>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
>>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
>>using the hand brake and the compression.
>>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
>>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
>>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
>>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
>>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>>
>>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
>>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
>>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
>>before trying to get it in 4LO.
Guest
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Re: Close Call!
When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
brakes.
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> have.
>
> And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Well....
> >
> > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> >
> > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
> >
> > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> >
> > What are you running for rubber?
> >
> > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
> >
> > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> >
> > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> >
> >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
> >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
> >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
> >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
> >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
> >>small ditch to stop.
> >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
> >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
> >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
> >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
> >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
> >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
> >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
> >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >>
> >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
> >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
brakes.
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> have.
>
> And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Well....
> >
> > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> >
> > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
> >
> > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> >
> > What are you running for rubber?
> >
> > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
> >
> > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> >
> > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> >
> >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
> >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
> >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
> >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
> >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
> >>small ditch to stop.
> >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
> >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
> >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
> >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
> >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
> >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
> >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
> >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >>
> >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
> >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
Guest
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Re: Close Call!
When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
brakes.
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> have.
>
> And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Well....
> >
> > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> >
> > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
> >
> > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> >
> > What are you running for rubber?
> >
> > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
> >
> > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> >
> > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> >
> >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
> >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
> >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
> >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
> >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
> >>small ditch to stop.
> >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
> >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
> >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
> >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
> >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
> >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
> >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
> >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >>
> >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
> >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
brakes.
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> have.
>
> And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Well....
> >
> > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> >
> > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
> >
> > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> >
> > What are you running for rubber?
> >
> > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
> >
> > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> >
> > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> >
> >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
> >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
> >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
> >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
> >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
> >>small ditch to stop.
> >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
> >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
> >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
> >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
> >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
> >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
> >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
> >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >>
> >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
> >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
brakes.
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> have.
>
> And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Well....
> >
> > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> >
> > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
> >
> > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> >
> > What are you running for rubber?
> >
> > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
> >
> > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> >
> > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> >
> >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
> >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
> >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
> >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
> >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
> >>small ditch to stop.
> >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
> >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
> >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
> >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
> >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
> >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
> >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
> >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >>
> >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
> >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
brakes.
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> have.
>
> And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Well....
> >
> > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> >
> > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
> >
> > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> >
> > What are you running for rubber?
> >
> > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
> >
> > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> >
> > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> >
> >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
> >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
> >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
> >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
> >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
> >>small ditch to stop.
> >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
> >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
> >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
> >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
> >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
> >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
> >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
> >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >>
> >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
> >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
brakes.
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> have.
>
> And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Well....
> >
> > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> >
> > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
> >
> > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> >
> > What are you running for rubber?
> >
> > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
> >
> > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> >
> > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> >
> >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
> >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
> >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
> >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
> >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
> >>small ditch to stop.
> >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
> >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
> >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
> >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
> >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
> >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
> >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
> >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >>
> >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
> >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
brakes.
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> have.
>
> And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Well....
> >
> > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off the
> > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> >
> > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of control.
> >
> > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> >
> > What are you running for rubber?
> >
> > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail on
> > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got the
> > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you on
> > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the brakes,
> > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use the
> > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup then.
> >
> > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> >
> > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> >
> >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
> >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to
> >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
> >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as
> >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a
> >>small ditch to stop.
> >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on
> >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
> >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
> >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny
> >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed,
> >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
> >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on
> >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >>
> >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime
> >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
From the discussion here, it sounds as if "part time" is better for going
uphill, and "full time" might be better for downhill. There is lots of ice
and snow outside, after a monster Colorado spring blizzard, but I don't have
a "full time" four wheel drive vehicle to try this theory out.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4416FE23.3D05C5DE@sympatico.ca...
> When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
> 4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
> the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
> brakes.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
> > And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > Well....
> > >
> > > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off
the
> > > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> > >
> > > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
> > >
> > > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> > >
> > > What are you running for rubber?
> > >
> > > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail
on
> > > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got
the
> > > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you
on
> > > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the
brakes,
> > > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use
the
> > > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup
then.
> > >
> > > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> > >
> > > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
play in
> > >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
decided to
> > >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
that
> > >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding as
> > >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it in a
> > >>small ditch to stop.
> > >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
back on
> > >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice. I
> > >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
possible
> > >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> > >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
> > >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
> > >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
my
> > >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
home on
> > >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > >>
> > >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
have
> > >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
> > >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
uphill, and "full time" might be better for downhill. There is lots of ice
and snow outside, after a monster Colorado spring blizzard, but I don't have
a "full time" four wheel drive vehicle to try this theory out.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4416FE23.3D05C5DE@sympatico.ca...
> When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
> 4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
> the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
> brakes.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
> > And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > Well....
> > >
> > > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off
the
> > > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> > >
> > > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
> > >
> > > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> > >
> > > What are you running for rubber?
> > >
> > > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail
on
> > > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got
the
> > > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you
on
> > > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the
brakes,
> > > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use
the
> > > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup
then.
> > >
> > > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> > >
> > > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
play in
> > >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
decided to
> > >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
that
> > >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding as
> > >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it in a
> > >>small ditch to stop.
> > >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
back on
> > >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice. I
> > >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
possible
> > >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> > >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
> > >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
> > >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
my
> > >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
home on
> > >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > >>
> > >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
have
> > >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
> > >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
From the discussion here, it sounds as if "part time" is better for going
uphill, and "full time" might be better for downhill. There is lots of ice
and snow outside, after a monster Colorado spring blizzard, but I don't have
a "full time" four wheel drive vehicle to try this theory out.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4416FE23.3D05C5DE@sympatico.ca...
> When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
> 4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
> the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
> brakes.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
> > And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > Well....
> > >
> > > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off
the
> > > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> > >
> > > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
> > >
> > > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> > >
> > > What are you running for rubber?
> > >
> > > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail
on
> > > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got
the
> > > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you
on
> > > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the
brakes,
> > > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use
the
> > > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup
then.
> > >
> > > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> > >
> > > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
play in
> > >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
decided to
> > >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
that
> > >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding as
> > >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it in a
> > >>small ditch to stop.
> > >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
back on
> > >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice. I
> > >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
possible
> > >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> > >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
> > >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
> > >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
my
> > >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
home on
> > >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > >>
> > >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
have
> > >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
> > >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
uphill, and "full time" might be better for downhill. There is lots of ice
and snow outside, after a monster Colorado spring blizzard, but I don't have
a "full time" four wheel drive vehicle to try this theory out.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4416FE23.3D05C5DE@sympatico.ca...
> When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
> 4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
> the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
> brakes.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
> > And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > Well....
> > >
> > > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off
the
> > > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> > >
> > > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
> > >
> > > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> > >
> > > What are you running for rubber?
> > >
> > > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail
on
> > > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got
the
> > > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you
on
> > > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the
brakes,
> > > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use
the
> > > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup
then.
> > >
> > > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> > >
> > > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
play in
> > >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
decided to
> > >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
that
> > >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding as
> > >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it in a
> > >>small ditch to stop.
> > >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
back on
> > >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice. I
> > >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
possible
> > >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> > >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
> > >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
> > >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
my
> > >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
home on
> > >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > >>
> > >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
have
> > >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
> > >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
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Re: Close Call!
From the discussion here, it sounds as if "part time" is better for going
uphill, and "full time" might be better for downhill. There is lots of ice
and snow outside, after a monster Colorado spring blizzard, but I don't have
a "full time" four wheel drive vehicle to try this theory out.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4416FE23.3D05C5DE@sympatico.ca...
> When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
> 4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
> the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
> brakes.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
> > And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > Well....
> > >
> > > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off
the
> > > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> > >
> > > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
> > >
> > > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> > >
> > > What are you running for rubber?
> > >
> > > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail
on
> > > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got
the
> > > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you
on
> > > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the
brakes,
> > > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use
the
> > > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup
then.
> > >
> > > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> > >
> > > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
play in
> > >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
decided to
> > >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
that
> > >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding as
> > >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it in a
> > >>small ditch to stop.
> > >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
back on
> > >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice. I
> > >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
possible
> > >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> > >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
> > >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
> > >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
my
> > >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
home on
> > >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > >>
> > >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
have
> > >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
> > >>before trying to get it in 4LO.
uphill, and "full time" might be better for downhill. There is lots of ice
and snow outside, after a monster Colorado spring blizzard, but I don't have
a "full time" four wheel drive vehicle to try this theory out.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4416FE23.3D05C5DE@sympatico.ca...
> When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up all
> 4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to find
> the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
> brakes.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
> > And, of course, all bets are off when on an icy incline.
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > Well....
> > >
> > > The owners manual in 'both' of my Jeeps plainly states to 'stay off
the
> > > brakes and to use the gears' in slippery situations.
> > >
> > > I ice and snow drive off road all the time and have found that
> > > surprisingly the owners manual is correct. If you use the brakes, you
> > > will fast lose control and if you use neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
> > >
> > > In the above case, I would be using 4 low in 2nd or more likely 3rd
> > > gear. I have a 5 speed. If I couldn't hold control, then I would be
> > > taking a 'serious' look at my tires. You were in low by the sound of
> > > it. The 'part time' light means that.
> > >
> > > What are you running for rubber?
> > >
> > > Summer or 'all season' tires have no place on a mountain ravine trail
on
> > > ice unless you have chains on. Period. Been there, done that, got
the
> > > crap scared out of me when I had to do the 'exact' same thing as you
on
> > > a logging trail near Tahsis on Vancouver Island. If I used the
brakes,
> > > the front wheels locked and I slid to the cliff edge so I had to use
the
> > > emergency brake and low and neutral. I also had my wife and kid out
> > > watching. I had half worn all season tires on a Chevy 2 WD pickup
then.
> > >
> > > I think you have just reached the limit of the equipment, not that you
> > > really did anything wrong. You tried it all by the sounds of it... I
> > > sure never tried anything that steep in my Chevy again....
> > >
> > > Glad to hear you got out of it in one piece.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > >>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
play in
> > >>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > >>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
decided to
> > >>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
that
> > >>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding as
> > >>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it in a
> > >>small ditch to stop.
> > >>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > >>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
back on
> > >>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > >>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice. I
> > >>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
possible
> > >>using the hand brake and the compression.
> > >>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
> > >>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
> > >>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
my
> > >>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
home on
> > >>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > >>
> > >>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > >>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
have
> > >>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > >>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
> > >>before trying to get it in 4LO.