Close Call!
#21
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Re: Close Call!
>"How fast did your foot hit that brake?"... normal, I was only going 2-3
miles an hour. it would actually start sliding from a dead stop with my foot
on the brake from gravity. That got me on the hand brake. I think foot type
parking brakes should be outlawed because my hand style brake saved my butt!
>"Tires?"... street tires... I know, not prepared I need lockers, lifts, and
>as we used to say back in the 70's "Meats"
> "If you had the range shifter in the right slot, chances are good that you
> were actually in 4 lo"... I tried it again this evening out in front and
> it was in 4LO, just the light says 4 FullTime. I know there is less
> traction in 4 FullTime than 4PartTime so I was worried and put it back in
> 4 PartTime on my way down.
"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:441398cc$0$9162$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.co m...
> This could be anything, but there are a few things for you to check out.
> Do
> you have the proper pressure in your tires? Are they snow, mud and snow,
> all terrain tires? How fast did your foot hit that brake? If you lock up
> the wheels, you will slide on any surface, especially snow, especially wet
> spring snow.
>
> I just got back from Durango in a blinding spring blizzard. Visibility
> was
> about ten feet on top of Molas Pass. I have a Jeep, but I took the
> Suburban
> of course. I had it in first, from the top of the Pass to my home in
> Silverton. Being conservative is how I got to be fifty-five years old.
> Damn! I forgot all about low range, until I read your post. The Suburban
> is heavier than the Jeep too, and presses down harder on the road, giving
> more traction. It will go through big snow banks, but don't drive it fast
> on slick roads. Maybe that is how the Chevy pickup did better than you.
>
> If you had the range shifter in the right slot, chances are good that you
> were actually in 4 lo. I am not sure whether there is a separate light
> for
> it. Maybe it shares the light with 4 PartTime. If you have an owner's
> manual you should look in it to make sure.
>
> The worst road surface I have driven on, was a Virginia road in spring,
> covered with ice, with rain water on top of that. Nasty!
>
> Earle
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> in
>> the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
>> times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided
> to
>> turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
>> point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
> as
>> soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
>> in
> a
>> small ditch to stop.
>> I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
>> ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> on
>> the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
>> road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
>> I
>> couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
>> using the hand brake and the compression.
>> After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> shinny
>> new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> embarrassed,
>> me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
>> ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home
> on
>> dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>>
>> OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> have
>> the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
>> right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> FullTime
>> before trying to get it in 4LO.
>>
>>
>
>
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miles an hour. it would actually start sliding from a dead stop with my foot
on the brake from gravity. That got me on the hand brake. I think foot type
parking brakes should be outlawed because my hand style brake saved my butt!
>"Tires?"... street tires... I know, not prepared I need lockers, lifts, and
>as we used to say back in the 70's "Meats"
> "If you had the range shifter in the right slot, chances are good that you
> were actually in 4 lo"... I tried it again this evening out in front and
> it was in 4LO, just the light says 4 FullTime. I know there is less
> traction in 4 FullTime than 4PartTime so I was worried and put it back in
> 4 PartTime on my way down.
"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:441398cc$0$9162$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.co m...
> This could be anything, but there are a few things for you to check out.
> Do
> you have the proper pressure in your tires? Are they snow, mud and snow,
> all terrain tires? How fast did your foot hit that brake? If you lock up
> the wheels, you will slide on any surface, especially snow, especially wet
> spring snow.
>
> I just got back from Durango in a blinding spring blizzard. Visibility
> was
> about ten feet on top of Molas Pass. I have a Jeep, but I took the
> Suburban
> of course. I had it in first, from the top of the Pass to my home in
> Silverton. Being conservative is how I got to be fifty-five years old.
> Damn! I forgot all about low range, until I read your post. The Suburban
> is heavier than the Jeep too, and presses down harder on the road, giving
> more traction. It will go through big snow banks, but don't drive it fast
> on slick roads. Maybe that is how the Chevy pickup did better than you.
>
> If you had the range shifter in the right slot, chances are good that you
> were actually in 4 lo. I am not sure whether there is a separate light
> for
> it. Maybe it shares the light with 4 PartTime. If you have an owner's
> manual you should look in it to make sure.
>
> The worst road surface I have driven on, was a Virginia road in spring,
> covered with ice, with rain water on top of that. Nasty!
>
> Earle
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> in
>> the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
>> times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided
> to
>> turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
>> point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
> as
>> soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
>> in
> a
>> small ditch to stop.
>> I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
>> ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> on
>> the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
>> road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
>> I
>> couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
>> using the hand brake and the compression.
>> After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> shinny
>> new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> embarrassed,
>> me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
>> ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home
> on
>> dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>>
>> OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> have
>> the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
>> right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> FullTime
>> before trying to get it in 4LO.
>>
>>
>
>
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#22
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Re: Close Call!
From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ,
> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come
> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking
> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>
> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did
> mine stopped and in neutral.
>
> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in
> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer)
> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>
> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control.
> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper
> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had
> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45
> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >
> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ,
> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come
> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking
> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>
> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did
> mine stopped and in neutral.
>
> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in
> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer)
> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>
> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control.
> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper
> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had
> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45
> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >
> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#23
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Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ,
> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come
> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking
> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>
> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did
> mine stopped and in neutral.
>
> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in
> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer)
> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>
> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control.
> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper
> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had
> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45
> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >
> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ,
> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come
> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking
> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>
> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did
> mine stopped and in neutral.
>
> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in
> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer)
> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>
> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control.
> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper
> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had
> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45
> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >
> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ,
> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come
> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking
> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>
> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did
> mine stopped and in neutral.
>
> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in
> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer)
> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>
> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control.
> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper
> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had
> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45
> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >
> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ,
> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come
> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking
> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>
> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did
> mine stopped and in neutral.
>
> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in
> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer)
> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>
> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control.
> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper
> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had
> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45
> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >
> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ,
> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come
> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking
> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>
> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did
> mine stopped and in neutral.
>
> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in
> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer)
> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>
> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control.
> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper
> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had
> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45
> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >
> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ,
> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come
> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking
> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>
> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did
> mine stopped and in neutral.
>
> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in
> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer)
> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>
> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control.
> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper
> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had
> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45
> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> >
> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
>" Same holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too
>fast and the ride gets exciting.
Actually I wasn't going fast enough to gear down and my foot was never on
the gas...:-) on 95 percent of the 3/4 mile trip I was going slower than
walking, with my hand on the parking brake. I would let off the brakes
whenever I wanted to stop sliding but the road was too steep to just go for
it without using my brakes sometime down the road. ...
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-NRX841IfSdYR@anon.none.net...
> From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
> messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
> using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
> you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
> as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
> increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
> when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
> locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
> holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
> and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
> and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
> stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
>
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house
>> from
>> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90
>> XJ,
>> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
>> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to
>> come
>> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of
>> breaking
>> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
>> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>>
>> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
>> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always
>> did
>> mine stopped and in neutral.
>>
>> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
>> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better
>> in
>> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high
>> durometer)
>> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>>
>> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of
>> control.
>> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
>> > play
>> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
>> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so
>> > I
>> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got
>> > steeper
>> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I
>> > start
>> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I
>> > had
>> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
>> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
>> > the
>> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
>> > back
>> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
>> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
>> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
>> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
>> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
>> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went
>> > 45
>> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>> >
>> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> > have
>> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
>> > the
>> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
>fast and the ride gets exciting.
Actually I wasn't going fast enough to gear down and my foot was never on
the gas...:-) on 95 percent of the 3/4 mile trip I was going slower than
walking, with my hand on the parking brake. I would let off the brakes
whenever I wanted to stop sliding but the road was too steep to just go for
it without using my brakes sometime down the road. ...
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-NRX841IfSdYR@anon.none.net...
> From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
> messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
> using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
> you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
> as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
> increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
> when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
> locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
> holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
> and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
> and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
> stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
>
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house
>> from
>> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90
>> XJ,
>> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
>> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to
>> come
>> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of
>> breaking
>> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
>> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>>
>> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
>> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always
>> did
>> mine stopped and in neutral.
>>
>> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
>> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better
>> in
>> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high
>> durometer)
>> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>>
>> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of
>> control.
>> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
>> > play
>> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
>> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so
>> > I
>> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got
>> > steeper
>> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I
>> > start
>> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I
>> > had
>> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
>> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
>> > the
>> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
>> > back
>> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
>> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
>> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
>> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
>> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
>> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went
>> > 45
>> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>> >
>> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> > have
>> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
>> > the
>> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
>" Same holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too
>fast and the ride gets exciting.
Actually I wasn't going fast enough to gear down and my foot was never on
the gas...:-) on 95 percent of the 3/4 mile trip I was going slower than
walking, with my hand on the parking brake. I would let off the brakes
whenever I wanted to stop sliding but the road was too steep to just go for
it without using my brakes sometime down the road. ...
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-NRX841IfSdYR@anon.none.net...
> From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
> messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
> using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
> you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
> as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
> increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
> when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
> locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
> holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
> and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
> and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
> stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
>
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house
>> from
>> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90
>> XJ,
>> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
>> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to
>> come
>> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of
>> breaking
>> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
>> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>>
>> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
>> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always
>> did
>> mine stopped and in neutral.
>>
>> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
>> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better
>> in
>> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high
>> durometer)
>> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>>
>> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of
>> control.
>> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
>> > play
>> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
>> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so
>> > I
>> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got
>> > steeper
>> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I
>> > start
>> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I
>> > had
>> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
>> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
>> > the
>> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
>> > back
>> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
>> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
>> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
>> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
>> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
>> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went
>> > 45
>> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>> >
>> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> > have
>> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
>> > the
>> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
>fast and the ride gets exciting.
Actually I wasn't going fast enough to gear down and my foot was never on
the gas...:-) on 95 percent of the 3/4 mile trip I was going slower than
walking, with my hand on the parking brake. I would let off the brakes
whenever I wanted to stop sliding but the road was too steep to just go for
it without using my brakes sometime down the road. ...
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-NRX841IfSdYR@anon.none.net...
> From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
> messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
> using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
> you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
> as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
> increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
> when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
> locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
> holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
> and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
> and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
> stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
>
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house
>> from
>> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90
>> XJ,
>> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
>> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to
>> come
>> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of
>> breaking
>> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
>> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>>
>> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
>> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always
>> did
>> mine stopped and in neutral.
>>
>> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
>> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better
>> in
>> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high
>> durometer)
>> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>>
>> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of
>> control.
>> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
>> > play
>> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
>> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so
>> > I
>> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got
>> > steeper
>> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I
>> > start
>> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I
>> > had
>> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
>> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
>> > the
>> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
>> > back
>> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
>> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
>> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
>> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
>> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
>> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went
>> > 45
>> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>> >
>> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> > have
>> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
>> > the
>> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
>" Same holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too
>fast and the ride gets exciting.
Actually I wasn't going fast enough to gear down and my foot was never on
the gas...:-) on 95 percent of the 3/4 mile trip I was going slower than
walking, with my hand on the parking brake. I would let off the brakes
whenever I wanted to stop sliding but the road was too steep to just go for
it without using my brakes sometime down the road. ...
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-NRX841IfSdYR@anon.none.net...
> From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
> messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
> using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
> you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
> as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
> increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
> when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
> locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
> holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
> and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
> and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
> stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
>
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house
>> from
>> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90
>> XJ,
>> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
>> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to
>> come
>> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of
>> breaking
>> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
>> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>>
>> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
>> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always
>> did
>> mine stopped and in neutral.
>>
>> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
>> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better
>> in
>> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high
>> durometer)
>> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>>
>> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of
>> control.
>> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
>> > play
>> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
>> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so
>> > I
>> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got
>> > steeper
>> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I
>> > start
>> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I
>> > had
>> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
>> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
>> > the
>> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
>> > back
>> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
>> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
>> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
>> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
>> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
>> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went
>> > 45
>> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>> >
>> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> > have
>> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
>> > the
>> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
>fast and the ride gets exciting.
Actually I wasn't going fast enough to gear down and my foot was never on
the gas...:-) on 95 percent of the 3/4 mile trip I was going slower than
walking, with my hand on the parking brake. I would let off the brakes
whenever I wanted to stop sliding but the road was too steep to just go for
it without using my brakes sometime down the road. ...
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-NRX841IfSdYR@anon.none.net...
> From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
> messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
> using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
> you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
> as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
> increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
> when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
> locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
> holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
> and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
> and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
> stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
>
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house
>> from
>> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90
>> XJ,
>> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
>> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to
>> come
>> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of
>> breaking
>> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
>> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>>
>> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
>> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always
>> did
>> mine stopped and in neutral.
>>
>> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
>> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better
>> in
>> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high
>> durometer)
>> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>>
>> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of
>> control.
>> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
>> > play
>> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
>> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so
>> > I
>> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got
>> > steeper
>> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I
>> > start
>> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I
>> > had
>> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
>> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
>> > the
>> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
>> > back
>> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
>> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
>> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
>> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
>> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
>> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went
>> > 45
>> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>> >
>> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> > have
>> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
>> > the
>> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
>" Same holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too
>fast and the ride gets exciting.
Actually I wasn't going fast enough to gear down and my foot was never on
the gas...:-) on 95 percent of the 3/4 mile trip I was going slower than
walking, with my hand on the parking brake. I would let off the brakes
whenever I wanted to stop sliding but the road was too steep to just go for
it without using my brakes sometime down the road. ...
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-NRX841IfSdYR@anon.none.net...
> From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
> messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
> using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
> you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
> as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
> increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
> when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
> locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
> holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
> and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
> and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
> stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
>
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house
>> from
>> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90
>> XJ,
>> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
>> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to
>> come
>> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of
>> breaking
>> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
>> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>>
>> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
>> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always
>> did
>> mine stopped and in neutral.
>>
>> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
>> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better
>> in
>> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high
>> durometer)
>> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>>
>> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of
>> control.
>> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
>> > play
>> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
>> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so
>> > I
>> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got
>> > steeper
>> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I
>> > start
>> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I
>> > had
>> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
>> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
>> > the
>> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
>> > back
>> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
>> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
>> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
>> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
>> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
>> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went
>> > 45
>> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>> >
>> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> > have
>> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
>> > the
>> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
>fast and the ride gets exciting.
Actually I wasn't going fast enough to gear down and my foot was never on
the gas...:-) on 95 percent of the 3/4 mile trip I was going slower than
walking, with my hand on the parking brake. I would let off the brakes
whenever I wanted to stop sliding but the road was too steep to just go for
it without using my brakes sometime down the road. ...
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-NRX841IfSdYR@anon.none.net...
> From experience with one of those "learning moments" the first time I
> messed around on a really bad packed snow setup, think twice before
> using 4-lo on the slick-as-snot stuff. Another case where 4wd helps
> you go but doesn't do squat for stopping. The problem is that just
> as 4-lo increases the effective torque to help you go, it also
> increases the engine braking torque when you get off the gas - and
> when one wheel stops turning in 4wd you can count on the rest of them
> locking up as well. You become an instant 4-point hockey puck. Same
> holds for gearing down as you slow in 4-wd - let off the gas too fast
> and the ride gets exciting. The idea is to keep the wheels turning
> and not sliding - easier said than done at times - because once they
> stop turning and start sliding you've lost ALL control.
>
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:09 UTC "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house
>> from
>> the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90
>> XJ,
>> but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the
>> transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to
>> come
>> to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of
>> breaking
>> traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a
>> time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too.
>>
>> You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the
>> side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always
>> did
>> mine stopped and in neutral.
>>
>> The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires
>> (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better
>> in
>> snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high
>> durometer)
>> high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case.
>>
>> On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of
>> control.
>> Slow and deliberate is the key.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>> "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
>> > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
>> > play
>> > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
>> > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so
>> > I
>> > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got
>> > steeper
>> > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I
>> > start
>> > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I
>> > had
>> > to put it in a small ditch to stop.
>> > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
>> > the
>> > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
>> > back
>> > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
>> > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
>> > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
>> > possible using the hand brake and the compression.
>> > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>> > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>> > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no
>> > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went
>> > 45
>> > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>> >
>> > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>> > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>> > have
>> > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
>> > the
>> > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>> > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:HvKdnXu5yun5A47ZRVn-gw@comcast.com...
: Stimpy proclaimed:
:
: > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
play in
: > the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
: > times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
decided to
: > turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
that
: > point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
as
: > soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
in a
: > small ditch to stop.
: > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
: > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
back on
: > the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
: > road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
I
: > couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
possible
: > using the hand brake and the compression.
: > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
: > new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
: > me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
my
: > ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
home on
: > dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
: >
: > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
: > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
have
: > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
: > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
: > before trying to get it in 4LO.
:
: Rule Number One: Four wheel drive is not four wheel stop.
:
: And it cannot make up for poor choice of tire. Or lack of driver
: experience.
:
: With few exceptions, NEVER try to use 4 wheel low on ice and snow. I
: honestly can't think of any exceptions unless you really need the extra
: pulling power and are using chains on all four wheels. In general, the
: highest gear that keeps your vehicle moving is the best gear on slippery.
:
: Downhill NEVER downshift. Pretend there is an egg between your foot and
: the brake pedal. Use the steering wheel with extreme caution. Keep
: the wheels turning at all times, particularly if you are trying to turn.
: That means to avoid a sliding wheel at all costs.
add to that always pump your brakes instead of using steady pressure.