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Close Call!
OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in
the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a small ditch to stop. I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible using the hand brake and the compression. After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up) OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO. |
Re: Close Call!
I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ, but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too. You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did mine stopped and in neutral. The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer) high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case. On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control. Slow and deliberate is the key. Good luck, Spdloader "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga... > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had > to put it in a small ditch to stop. > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as > possible using the hand brake and the compression. > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up) > > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO. > |
Re: Close Call!
I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ, but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too. You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did mine stopped and in neutral. The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer) high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case. On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control. Slow and deliberate is the key. Good luck, Spdloader "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga... > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had > to put it in a small ditch to stop. > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as > possible using the hand brake and the compression. > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up) > > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO. > |
Re: Close Call!
I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ, but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too. You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did mine stopped and in neutral. The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer) high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case. On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control. Slow and deliberate is the key. Good luck, Spdloader "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga... > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had > to put it in a small ditch to stop. > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as > possible using the hand brake and the compression. > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up) > > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO. > |
Re: Close Call!
I lived in the snowy area of WV for 11 years. The road up to my house from
the highway was as you described. Going up was not too bad in my old '90 XJ, but coming down, now THAT was a lesson in nerves. I learned to shift the transmission to neutral, before going down hill, and when I wanted to come to a stop. In Drive, the engine actually pushes you to the point of breaking traction in a steep downhill like that. I went down that hill backwards a time or two. NOT on purpose. Ruined my drawers too. You should be able to shift on into low range by moving the lever to the side then pulling on back. It's not a straight pull into 4Lo. I always did mine stopped and in neutral. The compound in your tires has everything to do with traction. Soft tires (low durometer) with lots of little "edges" in the tread will do better in snow than the big mud type tires, or tires with a harder, (high durometer) high mileage sort of compound. That may or may not be your case. On ice, you could have twelve-wheel-drive, and still slide out of control. Slow and deliberate is the key. Good luck, Spdloader "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga... > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play > in the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up > several times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I > decided to turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper > from that point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start > sliding as soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had > to put it in a small ditch to stop. > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back > on the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on > the road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like > ice. I couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as > possible using the hand brake and the compression. > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some > shinny new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was > embarrassed, me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no > damage except my ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 > all the way home on dry pavement (pretty shook-up) > > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 > FullTime before trying to get it in 4LO. > |
Re: Close Call!
This could be anything, but there are a few things for you to check out. Do
you have the proper pressure in your tires? Are they snow, mud and snow, all terrain tires? How fast did your foot hit that brake? If you lock up the wheels, you will slide on any surface, especially snow, especially wet spring snow. I just got back from Durango in a blinding spring blizzard. Visibility was about ten feet on top of Molas Pass. I have a Jeep, but I took the Suburban of course. I had it in first, from the top of the Pass to my home in Silverton. Being conservative is how I got to be fifty-five years old. Damn! I forgot all about low range, until I read your post. The Suburban is heavier than the Jeep too, and presses down harder on the road, giving more traction. It will go through big snow banks, but don't drive it fast on slick roads. Maybe that is how the Chevy pickup did better than you. If you had the range shifter in the right slot, chances are good that you were actually in 4 lo. I am not sure whether there is a separate light for it. Maybe it shares the light with 4 PartTime. If you have an owner's manual you should look in it to make sure. The worst road surface I have driven on, was a Virginia road in spring, covered with ice, with rain water on top of that. Nasty! Earle "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga... > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in > the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several > times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to > turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that > point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as > soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a > small ditch to stop. > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on > the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the > road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I > couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible > using the hand brake and the compression. > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny > new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed, > me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my > ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on > dry pavement (pretty shook-up) > > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime > before trying to get it in 4LO. > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** |
Re: Close Call!
This could be anything, but there are a few things for you to check out. Do
you have the proper pressure in your tires? Are they snow, mud and snow, all terrain tires? How fast did your foot hit that brake? If you lock up the wheels, you will slide on any surface, especially snow, especially wet spring snow. I just got back from Durango in a blinding spring blizzard. Visibility was about ten feet on top of Molas Pass. I have a Jeep, but I took the Suburban of course. I had it in first, from the top of the Pass to my home in Silverton. Being conservative is how I got to be fifty-five years old. Damn! I forgot all about low range, until I read your post. The Suburban is heavier than the Jeep too, and presses down harder on the road, giving more traction. It will go through big snow banks, but don't drive it fast on slick roads. Maybe that is how the Chevy pickup did better than you. If you had the range shifter in the right slot, chances are good that you were actually in 4 lo. I am not sure whether there is a separate light for it. Maybe it shares the light with 4 PartTime. If you have an owner's manual you should look in it to make sure. The worst road surface I have driven on, was a Virginia road in spring, covered with ice, with rain water on top of that. Nasty! Earle "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga... > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in > the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several > times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to > turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that > point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as > soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a > small ditch to stop. > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on > the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the > road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I > couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible > using the hand brake and the compression. > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny > new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed, > me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my > ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on > dry pavement (pretty shook-up) > > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime > before trying to get it in 4LO. > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** |
Re: Close Call!
This could be anything, but there are a few things for you to check out. Do
you have the proper pressure in your tires? Are they snow, mud and snow, all terrain tires? How fast did your foot hit that brake? If you lock up the wheels, you will slide on any surface, especially snow, especially wet spring snow. I just got back from Durango in a blinding spring blizzard. Visibility was about ten feet on top of Molas Pass. I have a Jeep, but I took the Suburban of course. I had it in first, from the top of the Pass to my home in Silverton. Being conservative is how I got to be fifty-five years old. Damn! I forgot all about low range, until I read your post. The Suburban is heavier than the Jeep too, and presses down harder on the road, giving more traction. It will go through big snow banks, but don't drive it fast on slick roads. Maybe that is how the Chevy pickup did better than you. If you had the range shifter in the right slot, chances are good that you were actually in 4 lo. I am not sure whether there is a separate light for it. Maybe it shares the light with 4 PartTime. If you have an owner's manual you should look in it to make sure. The worst road surface I have driven on, was a Virginia road in spring, covered with ice, with rain water on top of that. Nasty! Earle "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga... > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in > the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several > times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to > turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that > point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as > soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a > small ditch to stop. > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on > the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the > road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I > couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible > using the hand brake and the compression. > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny > new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed, > me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my > ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on > dry pavement (pretty shook-up) > > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime > before trying to get it in 4LO. > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** |
Re: Close Call!
This could be anything, but there are a few things for you to check out. Do
you have the proper pressure in your tires? Are they snow, mud and snow, all terrain tires? How fast did your foot hit that brake? If you lock up the wheels, you will slide on any surface, especially snow, especially wet spring snow. I just got back from Durango in a blinding spring blizzard. Visibility was about ten feet on top of Molas Pass. I have a Jeep, but I took the Suburban of course. I had it in first, from the top of the Pass to my home in Silverton. Being conservative is how I got to be fifty-five years old. Damn! I forgot all about low range, until I read your post. The Suburban is heavier than the Jeep too, and presses down harder on the road, giving more traction. It will go through big snow banks, but don't drive it fast on slick roads. Maybe that is how the Chevy pickup did better than you. If you had the range shifter in the right slot, chances are good that you were actually in 4 lo. I am not sure whether there is a separate light for it. Maybe it shares the light with 4 PartTime. If you have an owner's manual you should look in it to make sure. The worst road surface I have driven on, was a Virginia road in spring, covered with ice, with rain water on top of that. Nasty! Earle "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga... > OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in > the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several > times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to > turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that > point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as > soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a > small ditch to stop. > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on > the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the > road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I > couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible > using the hand brake and the compression. > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny > new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed, > me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my > ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on > dry pavement (pretty shook-up) > > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime > before trying to get it in 4LO. > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** |
Re: Close Call!
Stimpy proclaimed:
> OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play in > the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several > times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided to > turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that > point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding as > soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in a > small ditch to stop. > I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the > ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back on > the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the > road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I > couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible > using the hand brake and the compression. > After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some shinny > new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was embarrassed, > me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my > ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home on > dry pavement (pretty shook-up) > > OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good > experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have > the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the > right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4 FullTime > before trying to get it in 4LO. Rule Number One: Four wheel drive is not four wheel stop. And it cannot make up for poor choice of tire. Or lack of driver experience. With few exceptions, NEVER try to use 4 wheel low on ice and snow. I honestly can't think of any exceptions unless you really need the extra pulling power and are using chains on all four wheels. In general, the highest gear that keeps your vehicle moving is the best gear on slippery. Downhill NEVER downshift. Pretend there is an egg between your foot and the brake pedal. Use the steering wheel with extreme caution. Keep the wheels turning at all times, particularly if you are trying to turn. That means to avoid a sliding wheel at all costs. |
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