Every GM passenger car marque including Cadillac has a front wheel drive
car.

http://tinyurl.com/n893d

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44179E5F.34E39D56@***.net...
> Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
> engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
> http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road
>> today,
>> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
>> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to
>> name a
>> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
>>
>> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive
>> vehicle,
>> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
>> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
>> 600.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
>> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
>> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
>> fact...I
>> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
>> conditions
>> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
>> brakes
>> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
>> Grand
>> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
>> > >
>> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
>> running
>> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
>> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
>> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
>> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I
>> > > run a
>> > > good tire!
>> > >
>> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep
>> > > do
>> you
>> > > drive??
>> > >
>> > > Jeff

 

Every GM passenger car marque including Cadillac has a front wheel drive
car.

http://tinyurl.com/n893d

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44179E5F.34E39D56@***.net...
> Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
> engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
> http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road
>> today,
>> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
>> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to
>> name a
>> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
>>
>> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive
>> vehicle,
>> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
>> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
>> 600.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
>> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
>> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
>> fact...I
>> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
>> conditions
>> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
>> brakes
>> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
>> Grand
>> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
>> > >
>> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
>> running
>> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
>> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
>> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
>> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I
>> > > run a
>> > > good tire!
>> > >
>> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep
>> > > do
>> you
>> > > drive??
>> > >
>> > > Jeff

 

Every GM passenger car marque including Cadillac has a front wheel drive
car.

http://tinyurl.com/n893d

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44179E5F.34E39D56@***.net...
> Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
> engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
> http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road
>> today,
>> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
>> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to
>> name a
>> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
>>
>> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive
>> vehicle,
>> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
>> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
>> 600.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
>> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
>> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
>> fact...I
>> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
>> conditions
>> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
>> brakes
>> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
>> Grand
>> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
>> > >
>> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
>> running
>> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
>> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
>> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
>> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I
>> > > run a
>> > > good tire!
>> > >
>> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep
>> > > do
>> you
>> > > drive??
>> > >
>> > > Jeff

 

Spdloader wrote:
>
> >> > Putting a 4x4 vehicle into neutral is a last resort when you are 'out
> >> > of
> >> > control'. You may be able to stop, but you won't have control.
>
> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?

That all depends on what you had to hit or where you end up to get
stopped....

>
> >> ---You usually don't have time to react, but in a slow speed slide
> >> because
> >> your wheels don't have traction WILL correct itself if slipped into
> >> neutral
> >> and the steering wheel turned toward the slide.
> > Not in a 4x4 with a locked center diff or 'part time' drive. See
> > explanation below.
>
> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance.

Not when in part time 4x4! Drop the shifter to 2 High and 'then' your
theory works great. Yes, I 'do' drop to 2 wheel drive in some cases,
especially when needing to turn at slow speeds in slush.

> Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.

Go to a parking lot in the snow and start a turn. Then lock the rear
wheels up with the emergency brake. The rear end will swing out and
pass the front end faster than you can blink. Really. We used this
method to make 'power turns' with front wheel drive vehicles when ice
racing. We all practiced it so we could do controlled 360's or 180's or
90's....

>
> > I think folks should go out to a parking lot to learn and see the
> > differences, but as a general statement, using the gears to slow down is
> > better than brakes in a 4x4 with a locked center differential or in
> > 'part time' 4x4.
>
> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY sliding.
> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you have
> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
> slower than walking to start with.

Correct. He was attempting to drive 'too' slow down the grade. His
tires just couldn't get traction going that slow. This made his tires
scuff and break free just like jamming on the brakes. That is 'not' a
controlled decent. Part of learning how to use 4x4 is getting the feel
for the gears and engine compression so you can do a controlled decent.
This decent will be at 5-10 mph. Try to go slower and the tires start
to scuff and you lose control.

>
> > Neutral just don't work because when in a slide with the wheels turned,
> > the front wheels still have to travel 'farther' in the circle to come
> > back straight. This means one back tire or one front tire has to scuff
> > the ground or start to slide sending you into a worse slide or really
> > fast 360's. You have to have power to overcome this wheel scuff or it's
> > like locking the brake on one front ot rear or both tires.
>
> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
> because they have farther to travel.

Which defines the front tires. They have to turn faster than the rear
tires to complete the larger circle. This is the same reason you cannot
use part time 4x4 on dry pavement. Either a front or rear tire 'Must'
scuff the ground when you take a corner. If it doesn't, you 'will'
break something like a u-joint or a t-case.

> >
> >> ---In the accidents I investigated, numbering in the very high hundreds,
> >> SPEED was the single most cause of those accidents on exit ramps. Not
> >> shifting into neutral, but SPEED. Driving too fast for conditions, merely
> >> because they are in a 4WD, is what causes people to crash SUV's in
> >> inclement
> >> weather.
> >
> > They then hit the brakes to slow down maybe dumping the clutch, maybe
> > not as in an auto and as soon as the front tires skidded, the rears
> > skidded and off to the low side they went faster than they can blink.
> > Just like pulling on the emergency brake half way around a corner. Try
> > it, it's fun...
>
> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your traction".
> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has nothing
> to do with the original post.
>
> > If they had of used the engine to slow down, they would have been able
> > to make the corner most likely. Really, try it...
>
> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the wheel
> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
> gearing.

Letting off the gas in high gear so the engine starts the decelerating
is not the same as jamming it into a lower gear. A Jeep will stop or
slow down amazingly fast in part time 4x4 when you just let off the
gas. Back to my parking lot to learn recommendation....

>
> > Jeep 4x4 works 'really' well when you learn it.
>
> ---Obvious insult ignored.

Not intended, it was a long day.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

Spdloader wrote:
>
> >> > Putting a 4x4 vehicle into neutral is a last resort when you are 'out
> >> > of
> >> > control'. You may be able to stop, but you won't have control.
>
> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?

That all depends on what you had to hit or where you end up to get
stopped....

>
> >> ---You usually don't have time to react, but in a slow speed slide
> >> because
> >> your wheels don't have traction WILL correct itself if slipped into
> >> neutral
> >> and the steering wheel turned toward the slide.
> > Not in a 4x4 with a locked center diff or 'part time' drive. See
> > explanation below.
>
> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance.

Not when in part time 4x4! Drop the shifter to 2 High and 'then' your
theory works great. Yes, I 'do' drop to 2 wheel drive in some cases,
especially when needing to turn at slow speeds in slush.

> Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.

Go to a parking lot in the snow and start a turn. Then lock the rear
wheels up with the emergency brake. The rear end will swing out and
pass the front end faster than you can blink. Really. We used this
method to make 'power turns' with front wheel drive vehicles when ice
racing. We all practiced it so we could do controlled 360's or 180's or
90's....

>
> > I think folks should go out to a parking lot to learn and see the
> > differences, but as a general statement, using the gears to slow down is
> > better than brakes in a 4x4 with a locked center differential or in
> > 'part time' 4x4.
>
> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY sliding.
> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you have
> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
> slower than walking to start with.

Correct. He was attempting to drive 'too' slow down the grade. His
tires just couldn't get traction going that slow. This made his tires
scuff and break free just like jamming on the brakes. That is 'not' a
controlled decent. Part of learning how to use 4x4 is getting the feel
for the gears and engine compression so you can do a controlled decent.
This decent will be at 5-10 mph. Try to go slower and the tires start
to scuff and you lose control.

>
> > Neutral just don't work because when in a slide with the wheels turned,
> > the front wheels still have to travel 'farther' in the circle to come
> > back straight. This means one back tire or one front tire has to scuff
> > the ground or start to slide sending you into a worse slide or really
> > fast 360's. You have to have power to overcome this wheel scuff or it's
> > like locking the brake on one front ot rear or both tires.
>
> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
> because they have farther to travel.

Which defines the front tires. They have to turn faster than the rear
tires to complete the larger circle. This is the same reason you cannot
use part time 4x4 on dry pavement. Either a front or rear tire 'Must'
scuff the ground when you take a corner. If it doesn't, you 'will'
break something like a u-joint or a t-case.

> >
> >> ---In the accidents I investigated, numbering in the very high hundreds,
> >> SPEED was the single most cause of those accidents on exit ramps. Not
> >> shifting into neutral, but SPEED. Driving too fast for conditions, merely
> >> because they are in a 4WD, is what causes people to crash SUV's in
> >> inclement
> >> weather.
> >
> > They then hit the brakes to slow down maybe dumping the clutch, maybe
> > not as in an auto and as soon as the front tires skidded, the rears
> > skidded and off to the low side they went faster than they can blink.
> > Just like pulling on the emergency brake half way around a corner. Try
> > it, it's fun...
>
> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your traction".
> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has nothing
> to do with the original post.
>
> > If they had of used the engine to slow down, they would have been able
> > to make the corner most likely. Really, try it...
>
> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the wheel
> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
> gearing.

Letting off the gas in high gear so the engine starts the decelerating
is not the same as jamming it into a lower gear. A Jeep will stop or
slow down amazingly fast in part time 4x4 when you just let off the
gas. Back to my parking lot to learn recommendation....

>
> > Jeep 4x4 works 'really' well when you learn it.
>
> ---Obvious insult ignored.

Not intended, it was a long day.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

Spdloader wrote:
>
> >> > Putting a 4x4 vehicle into neutral is a last resort when you are 'out
> >> > of
> >> > control'. You may be able to stop, but you won't have control.
>
> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?

That all depends on what you had to hit or where you end up to get
stopped....

>
> >> ---You usually don't have time to react, but in a slow speed slide
> >> because
> >> your wheels don't have traction WILL correct itself if slipped into
> >> neutral
> >> and the steering wheel turned toward the slide.
> > Not in a 4x4 with a locked center diff or 'part time' drive. See
> > explanation below.
>
> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance.

Not when in part time 4x4! Drop the shifter to 2 High and 'then' your
theory works great. Yes, I 'do' drop to 2 wheel drive in some cases,
especially when needing to turn at slow speeds in slush.

> Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.

Go to a parking lot in the snow and start a turn. Then lock the rear
wheels up with the emergency brake. The rear end will swing out and
pass the front end faster than you can blink. Really. We used this
method to make 'power turns' with front wheel drive vehicles when ice
racing. We all practiced it so we could do controlled 360's or 180's or
90's....

>
> > I think folks should go out to a parking lot to learn and see the
> > differences, but as a general statement, using the gears to slow down is
> > better than brakes in a 4x4 with a locked center differential or in
> > 'part time' 4x4.
>
> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY sliding.
> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you have
> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
> slower than walking to start with.

Correct. He was attempting to drive 'too' slow down the grade. His
tires just couldn't get traction going that slow. This made his tires
scuff and break free just like jamming on the brakes. That is 'not' a
controlled decent. Part of learning how to use 4x4 is getting the feel
for the gears and engine compression so you can do a controlled decent.
This decent will be at 5-10 mph. Try to go slower and the tires start
to scuff and you lose control.

>
> > Neutral just don't work because when in a slide with the wheels turned,
> > the front wheels still have to travel 'farther' in the circle to come
> > back straight. This means one back tire or one front tire has to scuff
> > the ground or start to slide sending you into a worse slide or really
> > fast 360's. You have to have power to overcome this wheel scuff or it's
> > like locking the brake on one front ot rear or both tires.
>
> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
> because they have farther to travel.

Which defines the front tires. They have to turn faster than the rear
tires to complete the larger circle. This is the same reason you cannot
use part time 4x4 on dry pavement. Either a front or rear tire 'Must'
scuff the ground when you take a corner. If it doesn't, you 'will'
break something like a u-joint or a t-case.

> >
> >> ---In the accidents I investigated, numbering in the very high hundreds,
> >> SPEED was the single most cause of those accidents on exit ramps. Not
> >> shifting into neutral, but SPEED. Driving too fast for conditions, merely
> >> because they are in a 4WD, is what causes people to crash SUV's in
> >> inclement
> >> weather.
> >
> > They then hit the brakes to slow down maybe dumping the clutch, maybe
> > not as in an auto and as soon as the front tires skidded, the rears
> > skidded and off to the low side they went faster than they can blink.
> > Just like pulling on the emergency brake half way around a corner. Try
> > it, it's fun...
>
> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your traction".
> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has nothing
> to do with the original post.
>
> > If they had of used the engine to slow down, they would have been able
> > to make the corner most likely. Really, try it...
>
> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the wheel
> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
> gearing.

Letting off the gas in high gear so the engine starts the decelerating
is not the same as jamming it into a lower gear. A Jeep will stop or
slow down amazingly fast in part time 4x4 when you just let off the
gas. Back to my parking lot to learn recommendation....

>
> > Jeep 4x4 works 'really' well when you learn it.
>
> ---Obvious insult ignored.

Not intended, it was a long day.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

Spdloader wrote:
>
> >> > Putting a 4x4 vehicle into neutral is a last resort when you are 'out
> >> > of
> >> > control'. You may be able to stop, but you won't have control.
>
> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?

That all depends on what you had to hit or where you end up to get
stopped....

>
> >> ---You usually don't have time to react, but in a slow speed slide
> >> because
> >> your wheels don't have traction WILL correct itself if slipped into
> >> neutral
> >> and the steering wheel turned toward the slide.
> > Not in a 4x4 with a locked center diff or 'part time' drive. See
> > explanation below.
>
> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance.

Not when in part time 4x4! Drop the shifter to 2 High and 'then' your
theory works great. Yes, I 'do' drop to 2 wheel drive in some cases,
especially when needing to turn at slow speeds in slush.

> Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.

Go to a parking lot in the snow and start a turn. Then lock the rear
wheels up with the emergency brake. The rear end will swing out and
pass the front end faster than you can blink. Really. We used this
method to make 'power turns' with front wheel drive vehicles when ice
racing. We all practiced it so we could do controlled 360's or 180's or
90's....

>
> > I think folks should go out to a parking lot to learn and see the
> > differences, but as a general statement, using the gears to slow down is
> > better than brakes in a 4x4 with a locked center differential or in
> > 'part time' 4x4.
>
> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY sliding.
> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you have
> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
> slower than walking to start with.

Correct. He was attempting to drive 'too' slow down the grade. His
tires just couldn't get traction going that slow. This made his tires
scuff and break free just like jamming on the brakes. That is 'not' a
controlled decent. Part of learning how to use 4x4 is getting the feel
for the gears and engine compression so you can do a controlled decent.
This decent will be at 5-10 mph. Try to go slower and the tires start
to scuff and you lose control.

>
> > Neutral just don't work because when in a slide with the wheels turned,
> > the front wheels still have to travel 'farther' in the circle to come
> > back straight. This means one back tire or one front tire has to scuff
> > the ground or start to slide sending you into a worse slide or really
> > fast 360's. You have to have power to overcome this wheel scuff or it's
> > like locking the brake on one front ot rear or both tires.
>
> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
> because they have farther to travel.

Which defines the front tires. They have to turn faster than the rear
tires to complete the larger circle. This is the same reason you cannot
use part time 4x4 on dry pavement. Either a front or rear tire 'Must'
scuff the ground when you take a corner. If it doesn't, you 'will'
break something like a u-joint or a t-case.

> >
> >> ---In the accidents I investigated, numbering in the very high hundreds,
> >> SPEED was the single most cause of those accidents on exit ramps. Not
> >> shifting into neutral, but SPEED. Driving too fast for conditions, merely
> >> because they are in a 4WD, is what causes people to crash SUV's in
> >> inclement
> >> weather.
> >
> > They then hit the brakes to slow down maybe dumping the clutch, maybe
> > not as in an auto and as soon as the front tires skidded, the rears
> > skidded and off to the low side they went faster than they can blink.
> > Just like pulling on the emergency brake half way around a corner. Try
> > it, it's fun...
>
> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your traction".
> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has nothing
> to do with the original post.
>
> > If they had of used the engine to slow down, they would have been able
> > to make the corner most likely. Really, try it...
>
> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the wheel
> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
> gearing.

Letting off the gas in high gear so the engine starts the decelerating
is not the same as jamming it into a lower gear. A Jeep will stop or
slow down amazingly fast in part time 4x4 when you just let off the
gas. Back to my parking lot to learn recommendation....

>
> > Jeep 4x4 works 'really' well when you learn it.
>
> ---Obvious insult ignored.

Not intended, it was a long day.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

Front drive was invented here too. http://www.panacealimo.com/cord.html

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:FcidnQW-oMVrgIXZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Every GM passenger car marque including Cadillac has a front wheel drive
> car.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/n893d
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44179E5F.34E39D56@***.net...
> > Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
> > engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
> > http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road
> >> today,
> >> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you
forget
> >> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to
> >> name a
> >> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
> >>
> >> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive
> >> vehicle,
> >> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast,
it
> >> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled
Honda
> >> 600.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> >> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> >> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
> >> fact...I
> >> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
> >> conditions
> >> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit
the
> >> brakes
> >> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike
my
> >> Grand
> >> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> >> > >
> >> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
> >> running
> >> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain
snow
> >> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss
of
> >> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all
the
> >> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I
> >> > > run a
> >> > > good tire!
> >> > >
> >> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep
> >> > > do
> >> you
> >> > > drive??
> >> > >
> >> > > Jeff
>
>

 

Front drive was invented here too. http://www.panacealimo.com/cord.html

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:FcidnQW-oMVrgIXZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Every GM passenger car marque including Cadillac has a front wheel drive
> car.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/n893d
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44179E5F.34E39D56@***.net...
> > Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
> > engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
> > http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road
> >> today,
> >> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you
forget
> >> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to
> >> name a
> >> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
> >>
> >> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive
> >> vehicle,
> >> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast,
it
> >> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled
Honda
> >> 600.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> >> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> >> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
> >> fact...I
> >> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
> >> conditions
> >> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit
the
> >> brakes
> >> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike
my
> >> Grand
> >> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> >> > >
> >> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
> >> running
> >> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain
snow
> >> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss
of
> >> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all
the
> >> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I
> >> > > run a
> >> > > good tire!
> >> > >
> >> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep
> >> > > do
> >> you
> >> > > drive??
> >> > >
> >> > > Jeff
>
>

 

Front drive was invented here too. http://www.panacealimo.com/cord.html

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:FcidnQW-oMVrgIXZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Every GM passenger car marque including Cadillac has a front wheel drive
> car.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/n893d
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44179E5F.34E39D56@***.net...
> > Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
> > engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
> > http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road
> >> today,
> >> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you
forget
> >> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to
> >> name a
> >> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
> >>
> >> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive
> >> vehicle,
> >> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast,
it
> >> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled
Honda
> >> 600.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> >> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> >> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
> >> fact...I
> >> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
> >> conditions
> >> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit
the
> >> brakes
> >> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike
my
> >> Grand
> >> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> >> > >
> >> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
> >> running
> >> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain
snow
> >> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss
of
> >> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all
the
> >> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I
> >> > > run a
> >> > > good tire!
> >> > >
> >> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep
> >> > > do
> >> you
> >> > > drive??
> >> > >
> >> > > Jeff
>
>