"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:441723DA.5F56F9F4@sympatico.ca...
:I would be interested to try that too. I have put on a lot of local off
: road runs to help show folks what their Jeep can and can't do in the
: snow but have never had a 'full time' vs 'part time' test.
:
: I am thinking you lose most of the engine braking effect with the full
: time, but don't know.
:
: Mike
:
: Earle Horton wrote:
: >
: > From the discussion here, it sounds as if "part time" is better for
going
: > uphill, and "full time" might be better for downhill. There is lots of
ice
: > and snow outside, after a monster Colorado spring blizzard, but I don't
have
: > a "full time" four wheel drive vehicle to try this theory out.
: >
: > Earle
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:4416FE23.3D05C5DE@sympatico.ca...
: > > When in 4x4 'part time' you have the dubious pleasure of locking up
all
: > > 4 wheels when the fronts lock.... Instant sideways slide or how to
find
: > > the 'low side' without lockers.... Hense the need to stay off the
: > > brakes.
: > >
snip

Tires are everything in snow and chains are everything on ice.

 

"Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
: OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
in
: the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
: times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided
to
: turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
: point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
as
: soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in
a
: small ditch to stop.
: I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
: ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
on
: the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
: road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
: couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
: using the hand brake and the compression.
: After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
: new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
: me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
: ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home
on
: dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
:
: OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
: experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
: the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
: right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
: before trying to get it in 4LO.
:
:

It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this matter ; P

 

"Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
: OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
in
: the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
: times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided
to
: turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
: point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
as
: soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in
a
: small ditch to stop.
: I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
: ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
on
: the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
: road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
: couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
: using the hand brake and the compression.
: After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
: new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
: me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
: ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home
on
: dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
:
: OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
: experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
: the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
: right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
: before trying to get it in 4LO.
:
:

It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this matter ; P

 

"Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
: OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
in
: the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
: times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided
to
: turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
: point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
as
: soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in
a
: small ditch to stop.
: I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
: ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
on
: the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
: road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
: couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
: using the hand brake and the compression.
: After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
: new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
: me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
: ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home
on
: dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
:
: OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
: experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
: the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
: right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
: before trying to get it in 4LO.
:
:

It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this matter ; P

 

"Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
: OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
in
: the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
: times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided
to
: turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
: point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
as
: soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it in
a
: small ditch to stop.
: I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
: ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
on
: the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
: road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice. I
: couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
: using the hand brake and the compression.
: After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
shinny
: new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
embarrassed,
: me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
: ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home
on
: dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
:
: OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
: experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I have
: the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
: right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
FullTime
: before trying to get it in 4LO.
:
:

It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this matter ; P

 

I don't think there's any wackos in Europe, just *****.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yep, rear-wheel drive is much better for high-performance cars, when the
> drive wheels and the steering wheels are separated. But to say they "went
> back" implies that they don't make FWD cars anymore.
>
> American engineered for Americans rear wheel drive? Wonder how many Mercedes
> and BMW's are front wheel drive...

 

I don't think there's any wackos in Europe, just *****.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yep, rear-wheel drive is much better for high-performance cars, when the
> drive wheels and the steering wheels are separated. But to say they "went
> back" implies that they don't make FWD cars anymore.
>
> American engineered for Americans rear wheel drive? Wonder how many Mercedes
> and BMW's are front wheel drive...

 

I don't think there's any wackos in Europe, just *****.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yep, rear-wheel drive is much better for high-performance cars, when the
> drive wheels and the steering wheels are separated. But to say they "went
> back" implies that they don't make FWD cars anymore.
>
> American engineered for Americans rear wheel drive? Wonder how many Mercedes
> and BMW's are front wheel drive...

 

I don't think there's any wackos in Europe, just *****.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yep, rear-wheel drive is much better for high-performance cars, when the
> drive wheels and the steering wheels are separated. But to say they "went
> back" implies that they don't make FWD cars anymore.
>
> American engineered for Americans rear wheel drive? Wonder how many Mercedes
> and BMW's are front wheel drive...

 

Plenty in San Diego, too...

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:441888CB.C0E801CE@***.net...
> I don't think there's any wackos in Europe, just *****.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Yep, rear-wheel drive is much better for high-performance cars, when the
>> drive wheels and the steering wheels are separated. But to say they "went
>> back" implies that they don't make FWD cars anymore.
>>
>> American engineered for Americans rear wheel drive? Wonder how many
>> Mercedes
>> and BMW's are front wheel drive...