What does the Mechanic get
#161
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Re: What does the Mechanic get
Roughly 1/14/04 11:12, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
> "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:bu42fq$deoei$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Green River? Nice town, interesting cemetary. I spent 2 days there last
>> August
>> --
>> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>>
>>
>
> In the cemetary?
Since CR got killed on the river, and Ray died, Rays Tavern is no
longer the hot place in town. The cemetary has more life than
what is left....
> "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:bu42fq$deoei$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Green River? Nice town, interesting cemetary. I spent 2 days there last
>> August
>> --
>> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>>
>>
>
> In the cemetary?
Since CR got killed on the river, and Ray died, Rays Tavern is no
longer the hot place in town. The cemetary has more life than
what is left....
#162
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Re: What does the Mechanic get
Roughly 1/14/04 11:12, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
> "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:bu42fq$deoei$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Green River? Nice town, interesting cemetary. I spent 2 days there last
>> August
>> --
>> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>>
>>
>
> In the cemetary?
Since CR got killed on the river, and Ray died, Rays Tavern is no
longer the hot place in town. The cemetary has more life than
what is left....
> "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:bu42fq$deoei$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Green River? Nice town, interesting cemetary. I spent 2 days there last
>> August
>> --
>> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>>
>>
>
> In the cemetary?
Since CR got killed on the river, and Ray died, Rays Tavern is no
longer the hot place in town. The cemetary has more life than
what is left....
#163
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Re: What does the Mechanic get
Roughly 1/14/04 11:12, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
> "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:bu42fq$deoei$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Green River? Nice town, interesting cemetary. I spent 2 days there last
>> August
>> --
>> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>>
>>
>
> In the cemetary?
Since CR got killed on the river, and Ray died, Rays Tavern is no
longer the hot place in town. The cemetary has more life than
what is left....
> "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:bu42fq$deoei$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Green River? Nice town, interesting cemetary. I spent 2 days there last
>> August
>> --
>> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>>
>>
>
> In the cemetary?
Since CR got killed on the river, and Ray died, Rays Tavern is no
longer the hot place in town. The cemetary has more life than
what is left....
#167
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Re: What does the Mechanic get
In message <uIfNb.65930$I06.302336@attbi_s01>, "L0nD0t.$t0we11" wrote:
>Roughly 1/13/04 18:19, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
>> There has been talk for years about how the automakers should "give" the
>> diagnostic information and schematics to anyone that asks for them.
>
> Do franchised dealers get this information for free, perhaps due to
> some oddball quirk of warranty law, or does the dealer also have to
> pay for this stuff?
Yeah, the dealer has to pay for it. Same as any special tools the manufacturer
requires the dealer to have. It's not optional. :-)
>
> One could make the argument that the dealer pays for this material in
> the form of the money that changes hands between them and the maker...
>
> I have some difficulty grasping the logic that the manufacturer should
> offer this information for free, although I can agree that it should
> be available, including service bulletins, for reasonable cost.
>
> I've run into two types of independent shops that tend to be
> consistently better than dealers.
>
> The first is the specialty shop, and in every case I've run into,
> it was owned and operated by a very senior mechanic and/or service
> manager from a dealer. Have even been referred to these shops
> by the local dealers for particularly oddball problems. e.g. the
> Volvo specialist down in Torrance Ca, owned by Peter, a former
> mktg manager of Volvo, who has the original Car of the Year trophy
> for the turbovolvo on his desk.
>
> The other is the specialty high tech shop. These are typically
> owned and operated by folks with masters degrees in mech engineering
> [or better] who run the shop for the love of it. And tend to be
> cleaner than the typical hospital surgery. Tend to specialize in
> blueprinting, etc. etc. and are almost always higher priced than
> the local dealers.
>
> Then there are the in betweens, which in my experience have varied
> from really surprisingly good [oddly enough all of those level have
> had good relationships with the local dealers] to just flat out
> incompetent and occasionally ripoff. Not surprisingly, most of
> this bottom feeder class tend to badmouth the local dealers.
>Roughly 1/13/04 18:19, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
>> There has been talk for years about how the automakers should "give" the
>> diagnostic information and schematics to anyone that asks for them.
>
> Do franchised dealers get this information for free, perhaps due to
> some oddball quirk of warranty law, or does the dealer also have to
> pay for this stuff?
Yeah, the dealer has to pay for it. Same as any special tools the manufacturer
requires the dealer to have. It's not optional. :-)
>
> One could make the argument that the dealer pays for this material in
> the form of the money that changes hands between them and the maker...
>
> I have some difficulty grasping the logic that the manufacturer should
> offer this information for free, although I can agree that it should
> be available, including service bulletins, for reasonable cost.
>
> I've run into two types of independent shops that tend to be
> consistently better than dealers.
>
> The first is the specialty shop, and in every case I've run into,
> it was owned and operated by a very senior mechanic and/or service
> manager from a dealer. Have even been referred to these shops
> by the local dealers for particularly oddball problems. e.g. the
> Volvo specialist down in Torrance Ca, owned by Peter, a former
> mktg manager of Volvo, who has the original Car of the Year trophy
> for the turbovolvo on his desk.
>
> The other is the specialty high tech shop. These are typically
> owned and operated by folks with masters degrees in mech engineering
> [or better] who run the shop for the love of it. And tend to be
> cleaner than the typical hospital surgery. Tend to specialize in
> blueprinting, etc. etc. and are almost always higher priced than
> the local dealers.
>
> Then there are the in betweens, which in my experience have varied
> from really surprisingly good [oddly enough all of those level have
> had good relationships with the local dealers] to just flat out
> incompetent and occasionally ripoff. Not surprisingly, most of
> this bottom feeder class tend to badmouth the local dealers.
#168
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Re: What does the Mechanic get
In message <uIfNb.65930$I06.302336@attbi_s01>, "L0nD0t.$t0we11" wrote:
>Roughly 1/13/04 18:19, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
>> There has been talk for years about how the automakers should "give" the
>> diagnostic information and schematics to anyone that asks for them.
>
> Do franchised dealers get this information for free, perhaps due to
> some oddball quirk of warranty law, or does the dealer also have to
> pay for this stuff?
Yeah, the dealer has to pay for it. Same as any special tools the manufacturer
requires the dealer to have. It's not optional. :-)
>
> One could make the argument that the dealer pays for this material in
> the form of the money that changes hands between them and the maker...
>
> I have some difficulty grasping the logic that the manufacturer should
> offer this information for free, although I can agree that it should
> be available, including service bulletins, for reasonable cost.
>
> I've run into two types of independent shops that tend to be
> consistently better than dealers.
>
> The first is the specialty shop, and in every case I've run into,
> it was owned and operated by a very senior mechanic and/or service
> manager from a dealer. Have even been referred to these shops
> by the local dealers for particularly oddball problems. e.g. the
> Volvo specialist down in Torrance Ca, owned by Peter, a former
> mktg manager of Volvo, who has the original Car of the Year trophy
> for the turbovolvo on his desk.
>
> The other is the specialty high tech shop. These are typically
> owned and operated by folks with masters degrees in mech engineering
> [or better] who run the shop for the love of it. And tend to be
> cleaner than the typical hospital surgery. Tend to specialize in
> blueprinting, etc. etc. and are almost always higher priced than
> the local dealers.
>
> Then there are the in betweens, which in my experience have varied
> from really surprisingly good [oddly enough all of those level have
> had good relationships with the local dealers] to just flat out
> incompetent and occasionally ripoff. Not surprisingly, most of
> this bottom feeder class tend to badmouth the local dealers.
>Roughly 1/13/04 18:19, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
>> There has been talk for years about how the automakers should "give" the
>> diagnostic information and schematics to anyone that asks for them.
>
> Do franchised dealers get this information for free, perhaps due to
> some oddball quirk of warranty law, or does the dealer also have to
> pay for this stuff?
Yeah, the dealer has to pay for it. Same as any special tools the manufacturer
requires the dealer to have. It's not optional. :-)
>
> One could make the argument that the dealer pays for this material in
> the form of the money that changes hands between them and the maker...
>
> I have some difficulty grasping the logic that the manufacturer should
> offer this information for free, although I can agree that it should
> be available, including service bulletins, for reasonable cost.
>
> I've run into two types of independent shops that tend to be
> consistently better than dealers.
>
> The first is the specialty shop, and in every case I've run into,
> it was owned and operated by a very senior mechanic and/or service
> manager from a dealer. Have even been referred to these shops
> by the local dealers for particularly oddball problems. e.g. the
> Volvo specialist down in Torrance Ca, owned by Peter, a former
> mktg manager of Volvo, who has the original Car of the Year trophy
> for the turbovolvo on his desk.
>
> The other is the specialty high tech shop. These are typically
> owned and operated by folks with masters degrees in mech engineering
> [or better] who run the shop for the love of it. And tend to be
> cleaner than the typical hospital surgery. Tend to specialize in
> blueprinting, etc. etc. and are almost always higher priced than
> the local dealers.
>
> Then there are the in betweens, which in my experience have varied
> from really surprisingly good [oddly enough all of those level have
> had good relationships with the local dealers] to just flat out
> incompetent and occasionally ripoff. Not surprisingly, most of
> this bottom feeder class tend to badmouth the local dealers.
#169
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Re: What does the Mechanic get
In message <uIfNb.65930$I06.302336@attbi_s01>, "L0nD0t.$t0we11" wrote:
>Roughly 1/13/04 18:19, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
>> There has been talk for years about how the automakers should "give" the
>> diagnostic information and schematics to anyone that asks for them.
>
> Do franchised dealers get this information for free, perhaps due to
> some oddball quirk of warranty law, or does the dealer also have to
> pay for this stuff?
Yeah, the dealer has to pay for it. Same as any special tools the manufacturer
requires the dealer to have. It's not optional. :-)
>
> One could make the argument that the dealer pays for this material in
> the form of the money that changes hands between them and the maker...
>
> I have some difficulty grasping the logic that the manufacturer should
> offer this information for free, although I can agree that it should
> be available, including service bulletins, for reasonable cost.
>
> I've run into two types of independent shops that tend to be
> consistently better than dealers.
>
> The first is the specialty shop, and in every case I've run into,
> it was owned and operated by a very senior mechanic and/or service
> manager from a dealer. Have even been referred to these shops
> by the local dealers for particularly oddball problems. e.g. the
> Volvo specialist down in Torrance Ca, owned by Peter, a former
> mktg manager of Volvo, who has the original Car of the Year trophy
> for the turbovolvo on his desk.
>
> The other is the specialty high tech shop. These are typically
> owned and operated by folks with masters degrees in mech engineering
> [or better] who run the shop for the love of it. And tend to be
> cleaner than the typical hospital surgery. Tend to specialize in
> blueprinting, etc. etc. and are almost always higher priced than
> the local dealers.
>
> Then there are the in betweens, which in my experience have varied
> from really surprisingly good [oddly enough all of those level have
> had good relationships with the local dealers] to just flat out
> incompetent and occasionally ripoff. Not surprisingly, most of
> this bottom feeder class tend to badmouth the local dealers.
>Roughly 1/13/04 18:19, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
>> There has been talk for years about how the automakers should "give" the
>> diagnostic information and schematics to anyone that asks for them.
>
> Do franchised dealers get this information for free, perhaps due to
> some oddball quirk of warranty law, or does the dealer also have to
> pay for this stuff?
Yeah, the dealer has to pay for it. Same as any special tools the manufacturer
requires the dealer to have. It's not optional. :-)
>
> One could make the argument that the dealer pays for this material in
> the form of the money that changes hands between them and the maker...
>
> I have some difficulty grasping the logic that the manufacturer should
> offer this information for free, although I can agree that it should
> be available, including service bulletins, for reasonable cost.
>
> I've run into two types of independent shops that tend to be
> consistently better than dealers.
>
> The first is the specialty shop, and in every case I've run into,
> it was owned and operated by a very senior mechanic and/or service
> manager from a dealer. Have even been referred to these shops
> by the local dealers for particularly oddball problems. e.g. the
> Volvo specialist down in Torrance Ca, owned by Peter, a former
> mktg manager of Volvo, who has the original Car of the Year trophy
> for the turbovolvo on his desk.
>
> The other is the specialty high tech shop. These are typically
> owned and operated by folks with masters degrees in mech engineering
> [or better] who run the shop for the love of it. And tend to be
> cleaner than the typical hospital surgery. Tend to specialize in
> blueprinting, etc. etc. and are almost always higher priced than
> the local dealers.
>
> Then there are the in betweens, which in my experience have varied
> from really surprisingly good [oddly enough all of those level have
> had good relationships with the local dealers] to just flat out
> incompetent and occasionally ripoff. Not surprisingly, most of
> this bottom feeder class tend to badmouth the local dealers.
#170
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Re: What does the Mechanic get
This is exactly correct, and the way it is done at a large majority of
dealerships.
Jerry
"Bill Beyer" <bill_beyer@excite.cXoYmZ> wrote in message
news:PMkNb.68166$xy6.126375@attbi_s02...
>
> "Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9470A4BD6B71Deatmorecotton@207.14.113.17.. .
> > "Jerry Newton" <fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote in
> > news:4005764b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net:
> >
> > >
> > > Well, that's not so in most dealerships. The tech gets paid when he
> > > is working on a paying customer's automobile. Tech doesn't get paid
> > > to clean the house, train the new guy, road test for hours to
> > > duplicate an impossible concern, etc..
> >
> > I have never known a dealership mechanic who didn't simply draw a salary
> or
> > hourly wage for the time he was at the dealership. Are you saying that
the
> > dealership mechanics you know are independent contractors who only get
> paid
> > while they're actualy working on a customer vehicle?
>
> It depends on what part of the country you're in. Many dealerships are
still
> "flat rate" IOW they get paid what the book says they get paid on a per
job
> basis regardless of how long it actually takes them to complete the job.
The
> upside is that it's possible for a technician to "flag" more than 8 hours
a
> day or 40 hours a week even though he only works for 40 hours.
>
> For example: The Chilton's Flat Rate Manual calls for a heater core
> replacement to pay 4 hours so the customer is quoted 4 hours of labor at
the
> posted shop rate. The technician happens to know a shortcut to get the job
> done in only 2 hours of real time but he "flags" the job at 4 hours at his
> hourly pay rate. The customer pays for 4 hours worth of work, the
technician
> gets paid for 4 hours of work but he still has an extra 2 hours to
complete
> more jobs. At the end of the day the technician's timecard could show him
> working 8 hours but getting paid for 10-12 hours depending on what other
> jobs he completed.
>
>
dealerships.
Jerry
"Bill Beyer" <bill_beyer@excite.cXoYmZ> wrote in message
news:PMkNb.68166$xy6.126375@attbi_s02...
>
> "Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9470A4BD6B71Deatmorecotton@207.14.113.17.. .
> > "Jerry Newton" <fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote in
> > news:4005764b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net:
> >
> > >
> > > Well, that's not so in most dealerships. The tech gets paid when he
> > > is working on a paying customer's automobile. Tech doesn't get paid
> > > to clean the house, train the new guy, road test for hours to
> > > duplicate an impossible concern, etc..
> >
> > I have never known a dealership mechanic who didn't simply draw a salary
> or
> > hourly wage for the time he was at the dealership. Are you saying that
the
> > dealership mechanics you know are independent contractors who only get
> paid
> > while they're actualy working on a customer vehicle?
>
> It depends on what part of the country you're in. Many dealerships are
still
> "flat rate" IOW they get paid what the book says they get paid on a per
job
> basis regardless of how long it actually takes them to complete the job.
The
> upside is that it's possible for a technician to "flag" more than 8 hours
a
> day or 40 hours a week even though he only works for 40 hours.
>
> For example: The Chilton's Flat Rate Manual calls for a heater core
> replacement to pay 4 hours so the customer is quoted 4 hours of labor at
the
> posted shop rate. The technician happens to know a shortcut to get the job
> done in only 2 hours of real time but he "flags" the job at 4 hours at his
> hourly pay rate. The customer pays for 4 hours worth of work, the
technician
> gets paid for 4 hours of work but he still has an extra 2 hours to
complete
> more jobs. At the end of the day the technician's timecard could show him
> working 8 hours but getting paid for 10-12 hours depending on what other
> jobs he completed.
>
>