Superwinch = junk
09-04-2003, 09:31 PM
#131
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Re: Superwinch = junk
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
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> Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you
Nathan?
ive never seen the warn version, although milemarker has a free video they
will mail you on winch comparisons (vhs/dvd/cd rom). theyre trying to
promote the milemarker winch but if you look at all the data, it almost
looks like they were trying to promote the ramsey instead.
only took me about 4 days to get it too. http://milemarker.com/video.html
hell, im going to rip segments into windows streaming media anyway.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:31pflv8n8camg4a0fmvdadifm81jbm0clp@4ax.com...
> Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you
Nathan?
ive never seen the warn version, although milemarker has a free video they
will mail you on winch comparisons (vhs/dvd/cd rom). theyre trying to
promote the milemarker winch but if you look at all the data, it almost
looks like they were trying to promote the ramsey instead.
only took me about 4 days to get it too. http://milemarker.com/video.html
hell, im going to rip segments into windows streaming media anyway.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-04-2003, 09:55 PM
#132
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Re: Superwinch = junk
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:42:13 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly strap
>>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to the
>>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
>>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more pullies
>>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move the
>>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
>>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because even
>>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000 pounds,
>>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
>>
>>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies and
>>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single pulley,
>>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting your
>>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
Clarification on what Jeff said....
Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is the short
strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put it around
the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach the winch
hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the tree saver
and run the winch cable thru that.
If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into the
cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually kill it.
It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the tree too.
In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by wrapping it
around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
>>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree, then
>>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As you
>>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the load,
>>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to calculate
>>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think you
>>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
>>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can find
>>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
>>
>>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
>>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or mount
>>it on the vehicle itself.
>>
>>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
>>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody that
>>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound capacity.
>>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a few
>>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are going to
>>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
>>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the vast
>>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
>>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this is
>>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch capacity
>>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the cable
>>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
>>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only 10
>>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000 pounds,
>>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so you
>>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
>>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so the
>>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on the
>>spool.
>>
>>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly strap
>>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to the
>>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
>>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more pullies
>>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move the
>>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
>>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because even
>>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000 pounds,
>>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
>>
>>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies and
>>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single pulley,
>>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting your
>>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
Clarification on what Jeff said....
Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is the short
strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put it around
the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach the winch
hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the tree saver
and run the winch cable thru that.
If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into the
cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually kill it.
It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the tree too.
In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by wrapping it
around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
>>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree, then
>>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As you
>>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the load,
>>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to calculate
>>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think you
>>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
>>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can find
>>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
>>
>>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
>>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or mount
>>it on the vehicle itself.
>>
>>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
>>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody that
>>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound capacity.
>>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a few
>>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are going to
>>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
>>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the vast
>>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
>>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this is
>>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch capacity
>>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the cable
>>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
>>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only 10
>>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000 pounds,
>>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so you
>>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
>>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so the
>>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on the
>>spool.
>>
09-04-2003, 09:55 PM
#133
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Re: Superwinch = junk
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:42:13 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly strap
>>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to the
>>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
>>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more pullies
>>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move the
>>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
>>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because even
>>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000 pounds,
>>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
>>
>>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies and
>>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single pulley,
>>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting your
>>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
Clarification on what Jeff said....
Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is the short
strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put it around
the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach the winch
hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the tree saver
and run the winch cable thru that.
If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into the
cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually kill it.
It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the tree too.
In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by wrapping it
around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
>>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree, then
>>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As you
>>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the load,
>>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to calculate
>>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think you
>>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
>>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can find
>>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
>>
>>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
>>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or mount
>>it on the vehicle itself.
>>
>>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
>>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody that
>>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound capacity.
>>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a few
>>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are going to
>>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
>>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the vast
>>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
>>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this is
>>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch capacity
>>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the cable
>>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
>>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only 10
>>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000 pounds,
>>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so you
>>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
>>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so the
>>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on the
>>spool.
>>
>>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly strap
>>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to the
>>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
>>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more pullies
>>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move the
>>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
>>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because even
>>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000 pounds,
>>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
>>
>>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies and
>>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single pulley,
>>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting your
>>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
Clarification on what Jeff said....
Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is the short
strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put it around
the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach the winch
hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the tree saver
and run the winch cable thru that.
If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into the
cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually kill it.
It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the tree too.
In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by wrapping it
around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
>>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree, then
>>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As you
>>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the load,
>>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to calculate
>>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think you
>>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
>>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can find
>>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
>>
>>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
>>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or mount
>>it on the vehicle itself.
>>
>>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
>>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody that
>>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound capacity.
>>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a few
>>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are going to
>>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
>>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the vast
>>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
>>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this is
>>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch capacity
>>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the cable
>>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
>>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only 10
>>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000 pounds,
>>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so you
>>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
>>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so the
>>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on the
>>spool.
>>
09-04-2003, 09:58 PM
#134
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Re: Superwinch = junk
I'll have to look at work and see if I still have that vid.
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:31:19 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com>
wrote:
>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>news:31pflv8n8camg4a0fmvdadifm81jbm0clp@4ax.com. ..
>>> Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you
>>Nathan?
>>
>>ive never seen the warn version, although milemarker has a free video they
>>will mail you on winch comparisons (vhs/dvd/cd rom). theyre trying to
>>promote the milemarker winch but if you look at all the data, it almost
>>looks like they were trying to promote the ramsey instead.
>>
>>only took me about 4 days to get it too. http://milemarker.com/video.html
>>hell, im going to rip segments into windows streaming media anyway.
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:31:19 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com>
wrote:
>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>news:31pflv8n8camg4a0fmvdadifm81jbm0clp@4ax.com. ..
>>> Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you
>>Nathan?
>>
>>ive never seen the warn version, although milemarker has a free video they
>>will mail you on winch comparisons (vhs/dvd/cd rom). theyre trying to
>>promote the milemarker winch but if you look at all the data, it almost
>>looks like they were trying to promote the ramsey instead.
>>
>>only took me about 4 days to get it too. http://milemarker.com/video.html
>>hell, im going to rip segments into windows streaming media anyway.
09-04-2003, 09:58 PM
#135
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Re: Superwinch = junk
I'll have to look at work and see if I still have that vid.
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:31:19 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com>
wrote:
>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>news:31pflv8n8camg4a0fmvdadifm81jbm0clp@4ax.com. ..
>>> Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you
>>Nathan?
>>
>>ive never seen the warn version, although milemarker has a free video they
>>will mail you on winch comparisons (vhs/dvd/cd rom). theyre trying to
>>promote the milemarker winch but if you look at all the data, it almost
>>looks like they were trying to promote the ramsey instead.
>>
>>only took me about 4 days to get it too. http://milemarker.com/video.html
>>hell, im going to rip segments into windows streaming media anyway.
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:31:19 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com>
wrote:
>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>news:31pflv8n8camg4a0fmvdadifm81jbm0clp@4ax.com. ..
>>> Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you
>>Nathan?
>>
>>ive never seen the warn version, although milemarker has a free video they
>>will mail you on winch comparisons (vhs/dvd/cd rom). theyre trying to
>>promote the milemarker winch but if you look at all the data, it almost
>>looks like they were trying to promote the ramsey instead.
>>
>>only took me about 4 days to get it too. http://milemarker.com/video.html
>>hell, im going to rip segments into windows streaming media anyway.
09-04-2003, 11:23 PM
#136
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
We must wheel in different areas. I have run several trails that require a
winch to get through the trail. Yes the big tires and lockers will get you
to these points on the trail but in most cases you will need a winch to get
up the waterfall that continuing the trail requires. Maybe I missed
something in an earlier post. Jim F.
--
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
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> AMEN to that!!!!
>
>
>
> (4x4 w/lockers, big tires, etc)
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:49:49 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you
get
> >>stuck in *much* worse places."
> >>
> >>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
> >>
>
winch to get through the trail. Yes the big tires and lockers will get you
to these points on the trail but in most cases you will need a winch to get
up the waterfall that continuing the trail requires. Maybe I missed
something in an earlier post. Jim F.
--
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:rlpflv4ub67vp32u13m6adnlekg3bdg1ju@4ax.com...
> AMEN to that!!!!
>
>
>
> (4x4 w/lockers, big tires, etc)
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:49:49 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you
get
> >>stuck in *much* worse places."
> >>
> >>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
> >>
>
09-04-2003, 11:23 PM
#137
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
We must wheel in different areas. I have run several trails that require a
winch to get through the trail. Yes the big tires and lockers will get you
to these points on the trail but in most cases you will need a winch to get
up the waterfall that continuing the trail requires. Maybe I missed
something in an earlier post. Jim F.
--
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:rlpflv4ub67vp32u13m6adnlekg3bdg1ju@4ax.com...
> AMEN to that!!!!
>
>
>
> (4x4 w/lockers, big tires, etc)
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:49:49 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you
get
> >>stuck in *much* worse places."
> >>
> >>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
> >>
>
winch to get through the trail. Yes the big tires and lockers will get you
to these points on the trail but in most cases you will need a winch to get
up the waterfall that continuing the trail requires. Maybe I missed
something in an earlier post. Jim F.
--
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:rlpflv4ub67vp32u13m6adnlekg3bdg1ju@4ax.com...
> AMEN to that!!!!
>
>
>
> (4x4 w/lockers, big tires, etc)
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:49:49 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you
get
> >>stuck in *much* worse places."
> >>
> >>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
> >>
>
09-05-2003, 12:03 AM
#138
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Which reminds me, the word "wife" is actually and acronym for:
Wash
Iron
----
Etc.
Chris
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
> Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
> "Here, ironies!"
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> > :
> > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> > :
> > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> > : >
> > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > : >
> > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > : > : >
> > : > : > Idiot.
> > : > : >
> > : > :
> > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
> > sticks to
> > : > you.
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> >
> >
>
>
09-05-2003, 12:03 AM
#139
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Posts: n/a
Re: Superwinch = junk
Which reminds me, the word "wife" is actually and acronym for:
Wash
Iron
----
Etc.
Chris
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
> Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
> "Here, ironies!"
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> > :
> > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> > :
> > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> > : >
> > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > : >
> > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > : > : >
> > : > : > Idiot.
> > : > : >
> > : > :
> > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
> > sticks to
> > : > you.
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> >
> >
>
>
09-05-2003, 08:38 AM
#140
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Superwinch = junk
You must not be married!
(do your own) Wash
Iron (it yourself)
---- (off if you think I'M doing your wash and ironing)
(let's) Eat (out)
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:gWT5b.36137$hf1.13651@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> Which reminds me, the word "wife" is actually and acronym for:
>
> Wash
> Iron
> ----
> Etc.
>
> Chris
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
> > Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
> > "Here, ironies!"
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> > > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> > > :
> > > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> > > :
> > > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> > > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > Idiot.
> > > : > : >
> > > : > :
> > > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
> > > sticks to
> > > : > you.
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
(do your own) Wash
Iron (it yourself)
---- (off if you think I'M doing your wash and ironing)
(let's) Eat (out)
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:gWT5b.36137$hf1.13651@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> Which reminds me, the word "wife" is actually and acronym for:
>
> Wash
> Iron
> ----
> Etc.
>
> Chris
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
> > Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
> > "Here, ironies!"
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> > > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> > > :
> > > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> > > :
> > > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> > > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > Idiot.
> > > : > : >
> > > : > :
> > > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
> > > sticks to
> > > : > you.
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
