Superwinch = junk
09-04-2003, 08:46 PM
#121
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
You're exactly right. That's the flaw in the open differential 4x4 systems.
Just when you need it most, it quits!
(I *hate* it when that happens...)
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
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> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Actually, that's only true in low traction conditions.
>
> when would you need all 4 wheels pulling more than in low traction
> conditions? :-)
>
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> Nathan W. Collier
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Just when you need it most, it quits!
(I *hate* it when that happens...)
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
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> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Actually, that's only true in low traction conditions.
>
> when would you need all 4 wheels pulling more than in low traction
> conditions? :-)
>
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
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09-04-2003, 08:49 PM
#122
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Your bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the smallest REAR
sprocket.
Your winch is like your legs. Your winch/legs are connected to the FRONT
sprocket of a bicycle. The smaller diameter FRONT sprocket gives you more
power, but less speed. A larger FRONT sprocket gives you much less pulling
power. Each wrap of the cable on a winch drum = a larger diameter FRONT
sprocket.
Tom
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > And do pay attention to
> > the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
sprocket.
Your winch is like your legs. Your winch/legs are connected to the FRONT
sprocket of a bicycle. The smaller diameter FRONT sprocket gives you more
power, but less speed. A larger FRONT sprocket gives you much less pulling
power. Each wrap of the cable on a winch drum = a larger diameter FRONT
sprocket.
Tom
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > And do pay attention to
> > the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
09-04-2003, 08:49 PM
#123
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Your bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the smallest REAR
sprocket.
Your winch is like your legs. Your winch/legs are connected to the FRONT
sprocket of a bicycle. The smaller diameter FRONT sprocket gives you more
power, but less speed. A larger FRONT sprocket gives you much less pulling
power. Each wrap of the cable on a winch drum = a larger diameter FRONT
sprocket.
Tom
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309041040.385d6c06@posting.google.c om...
> > And do pay attention to
> > the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
sprocket.
Your winch is like your legs. Your winch/legs are connected to the FRONT
sprocket of a bicycle. The smaller diameter FRONT sprocket gives you more
power, but less speed. A larger FRONT sprocket gives you much less pulling
power. Each wrap of the cable on a winch drum = a larger diameter FRONT
sprocket.
Tom
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309041040.385d6c06@posting.google.c om...
> > And do pay attention to
> > the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.
09-04-2003, 09:17 PM
#124
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you Nathan?
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:58:45 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com>
wrote:
>>"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
>>news:b102b6e4.0309040606.19600208@posting.google .com...
>>> Looking at the articles I still didn't see much explanation for what
>>> some of these accessories are (****** block, shackles, etc.) Would
>>> appreciate any reference explaining how they work with a winch.
>>
>>hi joshua,
>>see http://7slotgrille.com/projects/00sa...ckit/index.htm
>>
>>you run the cable through the ****** block, you put the strap around the
>>tree, you connect the ****** block and strap together using the shackle, and
>>then you connect the cable either to another stationary object or back to
>>the same jeep being pulled.
>>
>>if you want to see how all this works together in real time video, ramsey
>>has a free video available for download. its about 11 megs, so right click
>>and "save as".
>>http://ramsey.com/video/Ramsey_Safety100k.wmv
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:58:45 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com>
wrote:
>>"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
>>news:b102b6e4.0309040606.19600208@posting.google .com...
>>> Looking at the articles I still didn't see much explanation for what
>>> some of these accessories are (****** block, shackles, etc.) Would
>>> appreciate any reference explaining how they work with a winch.
>>
>>hi joshua,
>>see http://7slotgrille.com/projects/00sa...ckit/index.htm
>>
>>you run the cable through the ****** block, you put the strap around the
>>tree, you connect the ****** block and strap together using the shackle, and
>>then you connect the cable either to another stationary object or back to
>>the same jeep being pulled.
>>
>>if you want to see how all this works together in real time video, ramsey
>>has a free video available for download. its about 11 megs, so right click
>>and "save as".
>>http://ramsey.com/video/Ramsey_Safety100k.wmv
09-04-2003, 09:17 PM
#125
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you Nathan?
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:58:45 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com>
wrote:
>>"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
>>news:b102b6e4.0309040606.19600208@posting.google .com...
>>> Looking at the articles I still didn't see much explanation for what
>>> some of these accessories are (****** block, shackles, etc.) Would
>>> appreciate any reference explaining how they work with a winch.
>>
>>hi joshua,
>>see http://7slotgrille.com/projects/00sa...ckit/index.htm
>>
>>you run the cable through the ****** block, you put the strap around the
>>tree, you connect the ****** block and strap together using the shackle, and
>>then you connect the cable either to another stationary object or back to
>>the same jeep being pulled.
>>
>>if you want to see how all this works together in real time video, ramsey
>>has a free video available for download. its about 11 megs, so right click
>>and "save as".
>>http://ramsey.com/video/Ramsey_Safety100k.wmv
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:58:45 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com>
wrote:
>>"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
>>news:b102b6e4.0309040606.19600208@posting.google .com...
>>> Looking at the articles I still didn't see much explanation for what
>>> some of these accessories are (****** block, shackles, etc.) Would
>>> appreciate any reference explaining how they work with a winch.
>>
>>hi joshua,
>>see http://7slotgrille.com/projects/00sa...ckit/index.htm
>>
>>you run the cable through the ****** block, you put the strap around the
>>tree, you connect the ****** block and strap together using the shackle, and
>>then you connect the cable either to another stationary object or back to
>>the same jeep being pulled.
>>
>>if you want to see how all this works together in real time video, ramsey
>>has a free video available for download. its about 11 megs, so right click
>>and "save as".
>>http://ramsey.com/video/Ramsey_Safety100k.wmv
09-04-2003, 09:18 PM
#126
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Re: Superwinch = junk
<chuckle>
On 4 Sep 2003 07:00:44 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>>"Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Idiot.
>>>
>>
>>I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
On 4 Sep 2003 07:00:44 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>>"Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Idiot.
>>>
>>
>>I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
09-04-2003, 09:18 PM
#127
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Re: Superwinch = junk
<chuckle>
On 4 Sep 2003 07:00:44 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>>"Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Idiot.
>>>
>>
>>I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
On 4 Sep 2003 07:00:44 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>>"Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Idiot.
>>>
>>
>>I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
09-04-2003, 09:29 PM
#128
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
AMEN to that!!!!
(4x4 w/lockers, big tires, etc)
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:49:49 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
>>stuck in *much* worse places."
>>
>>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>>
(4x4 w/lockers, big tires, etc)
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:49:49 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
>>stuck in *much* worse places."
>>
>>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>>
09-04-2003, 09:29 PM
#129
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
AMEN to that!!!!
(4x4 w/lockers, big tires, etc)
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:49:49 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
>>stuck in *much* worse places."
>>
>>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>>
(4x4 w/lockers, big tires, etc)
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:49:49 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>>"Four wheel drive doesn't keep you from getting stuck. It just lets you get
>>stuck in *much* worse places."
>>
>>(The same can be said for lockers, big tires, etc.)
>>
09-04-2003, 09:31 PM
#130
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Re: Superwinch = junk
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
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> Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you
Nathan?
ive never seen the warn version, although milemarker has a free video they
will mail you on winch comparisons (vhs/dvd/cd rom). theyre trying to
promote the milemarker winch but if you look at all the data, it almost
looks like they were trying to promote the ramsey instead.
only took me about 4 days to get it too. http://milemarker.com/video.html
hell, im going to rip segments into windows streaming media anyway.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:31pflv8n8camg4a0fmvdadifm81jbm0clp@4ax.com...
> Warn used to have a "how to" video up also...or did I get that from you
Nathan?
ive never seen the warn version, although milemarker has a free video they
will mail you on winch comparisons (vhs/dvd/cd rom). theyre trying to
promote the milemarker winch but if you look at all the data, it almost
looks like they were trying to promote the ramsey instead.
only took me about 4 days to get it too. http://milemarker.com/video.html
hell, im going to rip segments into windows streaming media anyway.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com