Nathan W. Collier

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309041030.2850f40e@posting.google.c om...
> I guess next
> time I'll just start calling people idiots and worse, so as to better
> fit in with the mindset of this newsgroup.

joshua,
that is absolutely an unfair representation of this group. _you_ were in
error, others responded to explain it to you, and then you responded
exclaiming that the voice of experience is wrong. you have to expect
resistance to that sort of thing.

on the other hand, this is a very forgiving group. kick back and listen to
the advice youre being given and eventually youll understand what it is that
you still seem to be missing. i live in the same town that you do. lets
get together for some wheeling, id be glad to show you first hand in real
life how a winch works and why your reasoning does not. when we're done
however, beer is on you. :-)


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Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Dave Milne

my g/f said she would do that after she had cooked some sweetcorn, done the
washing up and put some clothes on the line... I believe she was trying to
tell me something !


Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
: Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
: "Here, ironies!"
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
: > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
: > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
: > :
: > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
: > :
: > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
: > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Idiot.
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
: > sticks to
: > : > you.
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Dave Milne

my g/f said she would do that after she had cooked some sweetcorn, done the
washing up and put some clothes on the line... I believe she was trying to
tell me something !


Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
: Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
: "Here, ironies!"
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
: > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
: > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
: > :
: > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
: > :
: > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
: > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Idiot.
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
: > sticks to
: > : > you.
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

TJim

That's what I need!! Where can I get a "****** axle"?
:-P

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > Heck, it's four-wheel-drive! It shouldn't *get* stuck! Let's complain
to
> > the dealer!
>
> That would indeed be the appropriate response if after you got the
> vehicle home, you found out that the 4wd was actually a theoretical
> specification of capacity and it actually only delivered power to 2
> wheels unless you purchased an extra "****** axle" for the front.

TJim

That's what I need!! Where can I get a "****** axle"?
:-P

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309041043.6a3025af@posting.google.c om...
> > Heck, it's four-wheel-drive! It shouldn't *get* stuck! Let's complain
to
> > the dealer!
>
> That would indeed be the appropriate response if after you got the
> vehicle home, you found out that the 4wd was actually a theoretical
> specification of capacity and it actually only delivered power to 2
> wheels unless you purchased an extra "****** axle" for the front.

Mike Romain

"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F578C1D.ED9F6BAA@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Now Nathan, let's not confuse the poor guy totally!
> >
> > I mean when he realizes he only bought a '2' wheel drive vehicle instead
> > of a '1' wheel drive one, he could have a heart attack.
>
> ......but im really just trying to help! :-)
>
> --

Ya I made one snarky remark a bit ago that I probably shouldn't have,
but otherwise I have posted serious answers, well this one is just
silly, but a reality.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F578C1D.ED9F6BAA@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Now Nathan, let's not confuse the poor guy totally!
> >
> > I mean when he realizes he only bought a '2' wheel drive vehicle instead
> > of a '1' wheel drive one, he could have a heart attack.
>
> ......but im really just trying to help! :-)
>
> --

Ya I made one snarky remark a bit ago that I probably shouldn't have,
but otherwise I have posted serious answers, well this one is just
silly, but a reality.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Will Honea

A better analogy is to set the front wheels against an 8-10 inch
square curb and try to drive over it with 2WD (so that the front tires
don't contribute any 'climb'). For axle deep mud, make that a 12-14
inch curb and the rationale becomes reall apparent.

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:57:23 UTC "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Can't beleive know one has used the analogy of getting your boot stuck in
> the mud when you were a kid, your leg is quite capable of lift up a boot,
> but add in the suction, (vacum) of the sticky semi liquid and off comes your
> boot. Don't know what the force required would be for that boot, but I would
> imagine it would be 5 - 10 times the regular lift. And do pay attention to
> the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)

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Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Will Honea

A better analogy is to set the front wheels against an 8-10 inch
square curb and try to drive over it with 2WD (so that the front tires
don't contribute any 'climb'). For axle deep mud, make that a 12-14
inch curb and the rationale becomes reall apparent.

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:57:23 UTC "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Can't beleive know one has used the analogy of getting your boot stuck in
> the mud when you were a kid, your leg is quite capable of lift up a boot,
> but add in the suction, (vacum) of the sticky semi liquid and off comes your
> boot. Don't know what the force required would be for that boot, but I would
> imagine it would be 5 - 10 times the regular lift. And do pay attention to
> the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Nathan W. Collier

"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> No luck. I got the background pictures and the jeep in the snow along
with
> all the text, just no picture of the Ramsey kit.

thats really odd. i tested it outside my LAN and have no problems pulling
it up.


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Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com