Superwinch = junk
09-03-2003, 06:30 PM
#31
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Re: Superwinch = junk
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been able
to
> > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
>
> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
>
> This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
>
> (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> biceps!!)
>
> BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> mud on it.
RTFM
From www.jeep.com .... Wrangler Specs .... Base Curb Weight - Manual Trans -
3231 lb
From http://www.superwinch.com/support/do...uals/s4500.pdf
1. The S4500 winch is rated at 4,500 pounds (2,041 kg) (single line)
capacity on the wire rope layer closest to the drum. DO NOT OVERLOAD. DO NOT
ATTEMPT PROLONGED PULLS AT HEAVY LOADS. Do not maintain power to the winch
if the motor stalls. Overloads can damage the winch and/or the wire rope and
create unsafe operating conditions.
FOR LOADS OVER 3,000 POUNDS (1,361KG), WE RECOMMEND THE USE OF THE OPTIONAL
PULLEY BLOCK TO DOUBLE LINE THE WIRE ROPE (Figures 2 & 16). This reduces the
load on the winch and the strain on the wire rope by approximately 50%. If
attaching back to vehicle, attach to the frame or other load bearing part.
The vehicle engine should be running during winch operation to minimize
battery drain and maximize winch power and speed. If considerable winching
is performed with the engine off, the battery may be too weak to restart the
engine.
2. AFTER READING AND UNDER-STANDING THIS MANUAL, LEARN TO USE YOUR WINCH.
After installing the winch, practice using it so you will be familiar with
it when the need arises.
PERFORMANCE
Wire Rope Max. Pulling Capacity
Layer lbs.
1 4,500
2 4,000
3 3,500
4 2,900
Working Load* . . . 4,500 lbs.
*Based on first layer performance
-Jeff
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> > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been able
to
> > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
>
> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
>
> This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
>
> (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> biceps!!)
>
> BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> mud on it.
RTFM
From www.jeep.com .... Wrangler Specs .... Base Curb Weight - Manual Trans -
3231 lb
From http://www.superwinch.com/support/do...uals/s4500.pdf
1. The S4500 winch is rated at 4,500 pounds (2,041 kg) (single line)
capacity on the wire rope layer closest to the drum. DO NOT OVERLOAD. DO NOT
ATTEMPT PROLONGED PULLS AT HEAVY LOADS. Do not maintain power to the winch
if the motor stalls. Overloads can damage the winch and/or the wire rope and
create unsafe operating conditions.
FOR LOADS OVER 3,000 POUNDS (1,361KG), WE RECOMMEND THE USE OF THE OPTIONAL
PULLEY BLOCK TO DOUBLE LINE THE WIRE ROPE (Figures 2 & 16). This reduces the
load on the winch and the strain on the wire rope by approximately 50%. If
attaching back to vehicle, attach to the frame or other load bearing part.
The vehicle engine should be running during winch operation to minimize
battery drain and maximize winch power and speed. If considerable winching
is performed with the engine off, the battery may be too weak to restart the
engine.
2. AFTER READING AND UNDER-STANDING THIS MANUAL, LEARN TO USE YOUR WINCH.
After installing the winch, practice using it so you will be familiar with
it when the need arises.
PERFORMANCE
Wire Rope Max. Pulling Capacity
Layer lbs.
1 4,500
2 4,000
3 3,500
4 2,900
Working Load* . . . 4,500 lbs.
*Based on first layer performance
-Jeff
09-03-2003, 06:59 PM
#32
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Man read the thread!
A friend almost stalled his 9000 lb winch just pulling my Cherokee out
of a puddle. It wasn't even a real mud hole and I was still able to
move 5' forward and back, I was just stuck in a hole.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been able to
> > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
>
> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
>
> This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
>
> (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> biceps!!)
>
> BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> mud on it.
A friend almost stalled his 9000 lb winch just pulling my Cherokee out
of a puddle. It wasn't even a real mud hole and I was still able to
move 5' forward and back, I was just stuck in a hole.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been able to
> > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
>
> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
>
> This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
>
> (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> biceps!!)
>
> BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> mud on it.
09-03-2003, 06:59 PM
#33
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Man read the thread!
A friend almost stalled his 9000 lb winch just pulling my Cherokee out
of a puddle. It wasn't even a real mud hole and I was still able to
move 5' forward and back, I was just stuck in a hole.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been able to
> > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
>
> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
>
> This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
>
> (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> biceps!!)
>
> BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> mud on it.
A friend almost stalled his 9000 lb winch just pulling my Cherokee out
of a puddle. It wasn't even a real mud hole and I was still able to
move 5' forward and back, I was just stuck in a hole.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been able to
> > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
>
> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
>
> This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
>
> (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> biceps!!)
>
> BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> mud on it.
09-03-2003, 08:05 PM
#34
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Re: Superwinch = junk
>I recently bought a Superwinch 4500 from the quadratec catalog for a
>Fat chance. The so-called "4500 pound winch" balked at even pulling
>my ~2700 lb TJ one inch. What a piece of junk! Hopefully I can get
Your TJ weighs in the 3200lbs range, and your trying to pull it with
a 4500lbs winch -- that's the problem.. The winch isn't even close
to being big enouph..
A winch *should* be rated at around 2 1/2 times your vehicles weight
for ideal preformance.
Replace it with a 8000+lbs rated winch.. I just tossed my old Warn
HS9500 on my jeep -- it was able to move my old truck around quite
well..
>Fat chance. The so-called "4500 pound winch" balked at even pulling
>my ~2700 lb TJ one inch. What a piece of junk! Hopefully I can get
Your TJ weighs in the 3200lbs range, and your trying to pull it with
a 4500lbs winch -- that's the problem.. The winch isn't even close
to being big enouph..
A winch *should* be rated at around 2 1/2 times your vehicles weight
for ideal preformance.
Replace it with a 8000+lbs rated winch.. I just tossed my old Warn
HS9500 on my jeep -- it was able to move my old truck around quite
well..
09-03-2003, 08:05 PM
#35
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Re: Superwinch = junk
>I recently bought a Superwinch 4500 from the quadratec catalog for a
>Fat chance. The so-called "4500 pound winch" balked at even pulling
>my ~2700 lb TJ one inch. What a piece of junk! Hopefully I can get
Your TJ weighs in the 3200lbs range, and your trying to pull it with
a 4500lbs winch -- that's the problem.. The winch isn't even close
to being big enouph..
A winch *should* be rated at around 2 1/2 times your vehicles weight
for ideal preformance.
Replace it with a 8000+lbs rated winch.. I just tossed my old Warn
HS9500 on my jeep -- it was able to move my old truck around quite
well..
>Fat chance. The so-called "4500 pound winch" balked at even pulling
>my ~2700 lb TJ one inch. What a piece of junk! Hopefully I can get
Your TJ weighs in the 3200lbs range, and your trying to pull it with
a 4500lbs winch -- that's the problem.. The winch isn't even close
to being big enouph..
A winch *should* be rated at around 2 1/2 times your vehicles weight
for ideal preformance.
Replace it with a 8000+lbs rated winch.. I just tossed my old Warn
HS9500 on my jeep -- it was able to move my old truck around quite
well..
09-03-2003, 08:12 PM
#36
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Excellent quote, Jeff.
Says it all...
"-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message
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> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309031349.7de95559@posting.google.c om...
> > > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been
able
> to
> > > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
> >
> > That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> > or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> > What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> > 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
> >
> > This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> > was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> > jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> > heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
> >
> > (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> > of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> > pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> > in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> > myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> > biceps!!)
> >
> > BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> > them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> > they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> > exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> > the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> > This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> > Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> > mud on it.
>
> RTFM
>
> From www.jeep.com .... Wrangler Specs .... Base Curb Weight - Manual
Trans -
> 3231 lb
>
> From http://www.superwinch.com/support/do...uals/s4500.pdf
>
> 1. The S4500 winch is rated at 4,500 pounds (2,041 kg) (single line)
> capacity on the wire rope layer closest to the drum. DO NOT OVERLOAD. DO
NOT
> ATTEMPT PROLONGED PULLS AT HEAVY LOADS. Do not maintain power to the winch
> if the motor stalls. Overloads can damage the winch and/or the wire rope
and
> create unsafe operating conditions.
>
> FOR LOADS OVER 3,000 POUNDS (1,361KG), WE RECOMMEND THE USE OF THE
OPTIONAL
> PULLEY BLOCK TO DOUBLE LINE THE WIRE ROPE (Figures 2 & 16). This reduces
the
> load on the winch and the strain on the wire rope by approximately 50%. If
> attaching back to vehicle, attach to the frame or other load bearing part.
>
> The vehicle engine should be running during winch operation to minimize
> battery drain and maximize winch power and speed. If considerable winching
> is performed with the engine off, the battery may be too weak to restart
the
> engine.
>
> 2. AFTER READING AND UNDER-STANDING THIS MANUAL, LEARN TO USE YOUR WINCH.
> After installing the winch, practice using it so you will be familiar with
> it when the need arises.
>
> PERFORMANCE
> Wire Rope Max. Pulling Capacity
> Layer lbs.
> 1 4,500
> 2 4,000
> 3 3,500
> 4 2,900
>
> Working Load* . . . 4,500 lbs.
>
> *Based on first layer performance
>
>
>
> -Jeff
>
>
Says it all...
"-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message
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> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309031349.7de95559@posting.google.c om...
> > > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been
able
> to
> > > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
> >
> > That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> > or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> > What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> > 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
> >
> > This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> > was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> > jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> > heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
> >
> > (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> > of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> > pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> > in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> > myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> > biceps!!)
> >
> > BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> > them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> > they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> > exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> > the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> > This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> > Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> > mud on it.
>
> RTFM
>
> From www.jeep.com .... Wrangler Specs .... Base Curb Weight - Manual
Trans -
> 3231 lb
>
> From http://www.superwinch.com/support/do...uals/s4500.pdf
>
> 1. The S4500 winch is rated at 4,500 pounds (2,041 kg) (single line)
> capacity on the wire rope layer closest to the drum. DO NOT OVERLOAD. DO
NOT
> ATTEMPT PROLONGED PULLS AT HEAVY LOADS. Do not maintain power to the winch
> if the motor stalls. Overloads can damage the winch and/or the wire rope
and
> create unsafe operating conditions.
>
> FOR LOADS OVER 3,000 POUNDS (1,361KG), WE RECOMMEND THE USE OF THE
OPTIONAL
> PULLEY BLOCK TO DOUBLE LINE THE WIRE ROPE (Figures 2 & 16). This reduces
the
> load on the winch and the strain on the wire rope by approximately 50%. If
> attaching back to vehicle, attach to the frame or other load bearing part.
>
> The vehicle engine should be running during winch operation to minimize
> battery drain and maximize winch power and speed. If considerable winching
> is performed with the engine off, the battery may be too weak to restart
the
> engine.
>
> 2. AFTER READING AND UNDER-STANDING THIS MANUAL, LEARN TO USE YOUR WINCH.
> After installing the winch, practice using it so you will be familiar with
> it when the need arises.
>
> PERFORMANCE
> Wire Rope Max. Pulling Capacity
> Layer lbs.
> 1 4,500
> 2 4,000
> 3 3,500
> 4 2,900
>
> Working Load* . . . 4,500 lbs.
>
> *Based on first layer performance
>
>
>
> -Jeff
>
>
09-03-2003, 08:12 PM
#37
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Excellent quote, Jeff.
Says it all...
"-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message
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> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309031349.7de95559@posting.google.c om...
> > > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been
able
> to
> > > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
> >
> > That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> > or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> > What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> > 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
> >
> > This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> > was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> > jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> > heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
> >
> > (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> > of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> > pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> > in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> > myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> > biceps!!)
> >
> > BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> > them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> > they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> > exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> > the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> > This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> > Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> > mud on it.
>
> RTFM
>
> From www.jeep.com .... Wrangler Specs .... Base Curb Weight - Manual
Trans -
> 3231 lb
>
> From http://www.superwinch.com/support/do...uals/s4500.pdf
>
> 1. The S4500 winch is rated at 4,500 pounds (2,041 kg) (single line)
> capacity on the wire rope layer closest to the drum. DO NOT OVERLOAD. DO
NOT
> ATTEMPT PROLONGED PULLS AT HEAVY LOADS. Do not maintain power to the winch
> if the motor stalls. Overloads can damage the winch and/or the wire rope
and
> create unsafe operating conditions.
>
> FOR LOADS OVER 3,000 POUNDS (1,361KG), WE RECOMMEND THE USE OF THE
OPTIONAL
> PULLEY BLOCK TO DOUBLE LINE THE WIRE ROPE (Figures 2 & 16). This reduces
the
> load on the winch and the strain on the wire rope by approximately 50%. If
> attaching back to vehicle, attach to the frame or other load bearing part.
>
> The vehicle engine should be running during winch operation to minimize
> battery drain and maximize winch power and speed. If considerable winching
> is performed with the engine off, the battery may be too weak to restart
the
> engine.
>
> 2. AFTER READING AND UNDER-STANDING THIS MANUAL, LEARN TO USE YOUR WINCH.
> After installing the winch, practice using it so you will be familiar with
> it when the need arises.
>
> PERFORMANCE
> Wire Rope Max. Pulling Capacity
> Layer lbs.
> 1 4,500
> 2 4,000
> 3 3,500
> 4 2,900
>
> Working Load* . . . 4,500 lbs.
>
> *Based on first layer performance
>
>
>
> -Jeff
>
>
Says it all...
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> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been
able
> to
> > > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
> >
> > That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> > or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> > What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> > 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
> >
> > This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> > was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> > jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> > heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
> >
> > (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> > of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> > pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> > in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> > myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> > biceps!!)
> >
> > BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> > them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> > they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> > exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> > the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> > This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> > Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> > mud on it.
>
> RTFM
>
> From www.jeep.com .... Wrangler Specs .... Base Curb Weight - Manual
Trans -
> 3231 lb
>
> From http://www.superwinch.com/support/do...uals/s4500.pdf
>
> 1. The S4500 winch is rated at 4,500 pounds (2,041 kg) (single line)
> capacity on the wire rope layer closest to the drum. DO NOT OVERLOAD. DO
NOT
> ATTEMPT PROLONGED PULLS AT HEAVY LOADS. Do not maintain power to the winch
> if the motor stalls. Overloads can damage the winch and/or the wire rope
and
> create unsafe operating conditions.
>
> FOR LOADS OVER 3,000 POUNDS (1,361KG), WE RECOMMEND THE USE OF THE
OPTIONAL
> PULLEY BLOCK TO DOUBLE LINE THE WIRE ROPE (Figures 2 & 16). This reduces
the
> load on the winch and the strain on the wire rope by approximately 50%. If
> attaching back to vehicle, attach to the frame or other load bearing part.
>
> The vehicle engine should be running during winch operation to minimize
> battery drain and maximize winch power and speed. If considerable winching
> is performed with the engine off, the battery may be too weak to restart
the
> engine.
>
> 2. AFTER READING AND UNDER-STANDING THIS MANUAL, LEARN TO USE YOUR WINCH.
> After installing the winch, practice using it so you will be familiar with
> it when the need arises.
>
> PERFORMANCE
> Wire Rope Max. Pulling Capacity
> Layer lbs.
> 1 4,500
> 2 4,000
> 3 3,500
> 4 2,900
>
> Working Load* . . . 4,500 lbs.
>
> *Based on first layer performance
>
>
>
> -Jeff
>
>
09-03-2003, 10:04 PM
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Re: Superwinch = junk
In article <moomesa-FCE100.16580103092003@corp.newsfeeds.com>,
Jeepers <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote:
>In article <b102b6e4.0309031349.7de95559@posting.google.com >,
> spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>
>> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
>> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
>
>Apparently not.
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>In article <b102b6e4.0309031349.7de95559@posting.google.com >,
> spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>
>> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
>> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
>
>Apparently not.
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Re: Superwinch = junk
In article <moomesa-FCE100.16580103092003@corp.newsfeeds.com>,
Jeepers <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote:
>In article <b102b6e4.0309031349.7de95559@posting.google.com >,
> spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>
>> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
>> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
>
>Apparently not.
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>In article <b102b6e4.0309031349.7de95559@posting.google.com >,
> spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:
>
>> That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
>> or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
>
>Apparently not.
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Re: Superwinch <> junk
What, you can't lift yours out? that's what the hand holds are for:
http://www.----------.com/jeeporig.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> joshua,
> best example i can think of to demonstrate the difference is this. try
> pushing your jeep on a flat hard surface. even at 3500 pounds its an easy
> push. now try pushing your jeep after you got it stuck. whats that, you
> cant move it? it _still_ only weighs 3500 pounds.....the winch feels the
> same difference.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:aBWdnU2zy8hTH8uiXTWJiw@comcast.com...
> > You don't read very well, do you? Either that, or you were too busy
> > thinking of how you were going to phrase your next argument, you didn't
> hear
> > anything anyone here said.
> > A winch rated at 4500 lbs. is rated at that pull over a flat surface with
> 1
> > or 2 turns on the spool. It's not rated to pull 3000-3500 lbs of jeep up
> > out of four one-foot holes in the mud.
> > Think in terms of the hole your tire is in. It is shaped like the tire.
> It
> > is about a foot deep (at best) and the tire has to climb out of it in
> order
> > to get onto flatter ground. The climb is probably as much as 30 to 45
> > degrees (sometimes more). The tire is encased in the mud with an
> air-tight
> > seal. In order for the tire to get out, you're pulling a partial vacuum
> > under it until you break the seal and the air is sucked in.
> > Read our collective lips: Your winch is too small!! If you want to put a
> > winch on your TJ, it should be 8000 lb. rating or higher. (You *might* be
> > able to get away with 6000 lbs., but not in axle-deep mud)
> >
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0309031349.7de95559@posting.google.c om...
> > > > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > > > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been
> able
> > to
> > > > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
> > >
> > > That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> > > or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> > > What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> > > 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
> > >
> > > This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> > > was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> > > jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> > > heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
> > >
> > > (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> > > of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> > > pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> > > in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> > > myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> > > biceps!!)
> > >
> > > BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> > > them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> > > they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> > > exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> > > the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> > > This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> > > Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> > > mud on it.
> >
> >
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mailto:--------------------
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> joshua,
> best example i can think of to demonstrate the difference is this. try
> pushing your jeep on a flat hard surface. even at 3500 pounds its an easy
> push. now try pushing your jeep after you got it stuck. whats that, you
> cant move it? it _still_ only weighs 3500 pounds.....the winch feels the
> same difference.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:aBWdnU2zy8hTH8uiXTWJiw@comcast.com...
> > You don't read very well, do you? Either that, or you were too busy
> > thinking of how you were going to phrase your next argument, you didn't
> hear
> > anything anyone here said.
> > A winch rated at 4500 lbs. is rated at that pull over a flat surface with
> 1
> > or 2 turns on the spool. It's not rated to pull 3000-3500 lbs of jeep up
> > out of four one-foot holes in the mud.
> > Think in terms of the hole your tire is in. It is shaped like the tire.
> It
> > is about a foot deep (at best) and the tire has to climb out of it in
> order
> > to get onto flatter ground. The climb is probably as much as 30 to 45
> > degrees (sometimes more). The tire is encased in the mud with an
> air-tight
> > seal. In order for the tire to get out, you're pulling a partial vacuum
> > under it until you break the seal and the air is sucked in.
> > Read our collective lips: Your winch is too small!! If you want to put a
> > winch on your TJ, it should be 8000 lb. rating or higher. (You *might* be
> > able to get away with 6000 lbs., but not in axle-deep mud)
> >
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0309031349.7de95559@posting.google.c om...
> > > > You can't expect *anyone's* 4500 lb. winch to pull a TJ out
> > > > of axle-deep mud! 8000-10000 lb. winches would probably have been
> able
> > to
> > > > do it, but would have had to work pretty hard at it.
> > >
> > > That's ridiculous. A 4500 lb winch ought to be able to pull 4500 lbs
> > > or it isn't a 4500 lb winch. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
> > > What are you going to tell me next, my 2.5L engine is actually only
> > > 1.3L and the rest refers to the size of the engine compartment?
> > >
> > > This is a stock jeep, darn near its factory curb weight. And no one
> > > was sitting in the vehicle. Probably the only extra weight on this
> > > jeep is the winch itself!! So I was well below 4500lbs. Mud might be
> > > heavy but there is no way that there wer 1800 lbs of it on the jeep!
> > >
> > > (Not to mention, the winch wasn't even having to pull the full weight
> > > of the jeep, because I was trying to winch mostly horizontally, not
> > > pull the 2700 lb jeep straight up into the air! Shoot, put the jeep
> > > in neutral on a flat hard surface and I can push it into motion
> > > myself, and I guarantee I haven't got 2700lbs of hauling power in my
> > > biceps!!)
> > >
> > > BTW I am not familiar with ****** blocks. I found some pictures of
> > > them on the internet after reading these replies so now I know what
> > > they are and what they look like, but I'm having trouble picturing
> > > exactly how they would work or how they could double the strength of
> > > the winch. Could someone explain this to me or refer me to a photo?
> > > This might be the route I have to take. It seems the jerks at
> > > Quadratec balk at taking a refund on a product with a little bit of
> > > mud on it.
> >
> >