Ya no ----!

The guy wouldn't believe anyone when they told him that power locks
won't fit in the doors and now he refuses to believe everyone when we
explain he bought an ATV winch instead of a Jeep winch...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Joe wrote:
>
> "I appreciate it when folks don't treat me like a moron just because I'm not
> as experienced as they are"
> I think it was the way you approached this...
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0309040606.19600208@posting.google.c om...
> > rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx (Robert Bills) wrote:
> >
> > > Also, you need a
> > > ****** block, tree strap, tow strap, shackles and other accessories to
> ensure
> > > that you have the right tools when the need arises. The winching
> articles
> > > should lead you in the right direction.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert Bills
> > > KG6LMV
> > > Orange County CA
> > >
> > > http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> > > http://www.RobertBills.com
> >
> >
> > Thanks. This is helpful. I am trying to get into this hobby and I
> > appreciate it when folks don't treat me like a moron just because I'm
> > not as experienced as they are. It is thoughtful replies like yours
> > that make this forum worth returning to in spite of the hostility.
> >
> > Looking at the articles I still didn't see much explanation for what
> > some of these accessories are (****** block, shackles, etc.) Would
> > appreciate any reference explaining how they work with a winch.
> >
> > Thanks again.

 

> Heck, it's four-wheel-drive! It shouldn't *get* stuck! Let's complain to
> the dealer!

That would indeed be the appropriate response if after you got the
vehicle home, you found out that the 4wd was actually a theoretical
specification of capacity and it actually only delivered power to 2
wheels unless you purchased an extra "****** axle" for the front.

 

> Heck, it's four-wheel-drive! It shouldn't *get* stuck! Let's complain to
> the dealer!

That would indeed be the appropriate response if after you got the
vehicle home, you found out that the 4wd was actually a theoretical
specification of capacity and it actually only delivered power to 2
wheels unless you purchased an extra "****** axle" for the front.

 

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote ...
> > Heck, it's four-wheel-drive! It shouldn't *get* stuck! Let's complain
to
> > the dealer!
>
> That would indeed be the appropriate response if after you got the
> vehicle home, you found out that the 4wd was actually a theoretical
> specification of capacity and it actually only delivered power to 2
> wheels unless you purchased an extra "****** axle" for the front.

Joshua,

It's a pretty simple game ... read the manual, talk to the salesman, ask
questions of those that know ... BEFORE you buy. Advertising can be
deceiving (imagine that) and misleading (really) ... take some time to
investigate before you drop your hard earned $$ on anything.

The manual for your winch clearly states it's capacity.


-Jeff

 

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote ...
> > Heck, it's four-wheel-drive! It shouldn't *get* stuck! Let's complain
to
> > the dealer!
>
> That would indeed be the appropriate response if after you got the
> vehicle home, you found out that the 4wd was actually a theoretical
> specification of capacity and it actually only delivered power to 2
> wheels unless you purchased an extra "****** axle" for the front.

Joshua,

It's a pretty simple game ... read the manual, talk to the salesman, ask
questions of those that know ... BEFORE you buy. Advertising can be
deceiving (imagine that) and misleading (really) ... take some time to
investigate before you drop your hard earned $$ on anything.

The manual for your winch clearly states it's capacity.


-Jeff

 

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote
> > And do pay attention to
> > the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.

Not if the small diamter gear is doing the work. Your analogy is flawed.

-Jeff

 

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote
> > And do pay attention to
> > the drop in winch abbilty with every wrap of line, ( jeep 101)
>
>
> Ok. I will accept what you are telling me since you all seem to be so
> certain. However I do not understand why this would be the case. It
> would actually seem logical to expect the opposite. Think of a ten
> speed bicycle. The bike is hardest to pedal when the chain is on the
> smallest diameter gears. I would think it would be the same with a
> winch. On the outer layers of cable you have a bit more diameter.

Not if the small diamter gear is doing the work. Your analogy is flawed.

-Jeff

 

Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
"Here, ironies!"

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> :
> : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> :
> : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > Idiot.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
> sticks to
> : > you.
> : >
> : >
> :
>
>

 

Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
"Here, ironies!"

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> :
> : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> :
> : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > Idiot.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and
> sticks to
> : > you.
> : >
> : >
> :
>
>

 

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309041030.2850f40e@posting.google.c om...
> I guess next
> time I'll just start calling people idiots and worse, so as to better
> fit in with the mindset of this newsgroup.

joshua,
that is absolutely an unfair representation of this group. _you_ were in
error, others responded to explain it to you, and then you responded
exclaiming that the voice of experience is wrong. you have to expect
resistance to that sort of thing.

on the other hand, this is a very forgiving group. kick back and listen to
the advice youre being given and eventually youll understand what it is that
you still seem to be missing. i live in the same town that you do. lets
get together for some wheeling, id be glad to show you first hand in real
life how a winch works and why your reasoning does not. when we're done
however, beer is on you. :-)


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com