Mike Romain

Umm Dave, look again at my string example.

If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or any
other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string around
your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right hand
(the winch), your foot only moves 6".

Mike

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
> : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
> : degrees.
> : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
> : >
> : > --
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : I just read the original again:
> : > :
> : > : --------------
> : > :
> : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
> : > :
> : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> : > : cableEnd]"
> : > :
> : > : --------------
> : > :
> : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving
> force
> : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force,
> since
> : > it is
> : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block, then to
> : > another
> : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and only
> : then
> : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > > Huh???
> : > : > >
> : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have
> twenty
> : > of
> : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the
> : 20
> : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Mike
> : > : > >
> : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
> with
> : > the
> : > : > line
> : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
> : easily,
> : > but
> : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
> not
> : > just
> : > : > an
> : > : > > > > angle changer.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : >
> : >
> :
> :

TJim

I'm sorry, Mike. I have a lot of respect for you as an experienced jeeper
and a long time member of this group, but you need to brush up on your
physics. Especially force vectors.
The angle between the two departing forces is the thing. Since the force of
each cable is the same as the pulling force of the winch (disregarding
losses in the blocks, etc.) the following is true:
When the angle between the two cables is 0* (both pulling in the same
direction), the pull is 2x the winch pull at 1/2 the speed.
When the angle between the two pulling cables is 90*, you have a vectored
force of the square root of 2, or 1.414:1 in the direction that is halfway
between the two cables (45* from each).
When the angle between the two cables attached to the jeep is 180*, there is
no effective pull on the jeep and the speed is 0. No matter how much the
winch pulls, it is also pulling in the opposite direction equally thus, the
jeep sits.
I'm not going to argue this any further. Try it yourself and see. I'm not
trying to start a fight. I'm just trying to help people understand the
effect of pulling with multiple cables.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5F3338.2B80B4FA@sympatico.ca...
> Yes it is a basic 2:1 pull.
>
> The cable leaves the winch and goes to one or more vectoring pulleys and
> then comes back to the winch, you have a 2:1 pull.
>
> The trick is it comes back to the start. The vectoring pulleys will all
> add up to a 180 degree turn, they have to or the cable wouldn't come
> back to the winch. (you do the math)
>
> Although it is much more efficient to just run with one pulley on a tree
> and back, the vector changes don't come into play when thinking of the
> winding up ratio except as a friction loss.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> TJim wrote:
> >
> > That is NOT a 2:1 pull. Not if the two cable sections on the pulled
vehicle
> > (in this case, the pulling vehicle, too) don't both go in exactly the
same
> > direction. The pull is the combined vector created by the two
individual
> > pulls. If the cables go off at 90* from each other, the combined pull
is
> > the square root of 2, or 1.414:1. If the cables go off in opposite
> > directions, or 180*, the combined pull on the vehicle is 0. Yes, the
> > individual cables may rip the tow hooks off, but only if a single cable
> > would rip the hook off when pulling in the same direction against a
vehicle
> > that was un-movable. (I probably shouldn't have added that last
statement.
> > I'm not sure anyone will understand it.)
> > Any winch pull can be easily calculated by combining the vectors of each
> > pulling cable directly or indirectly attached to the pulled vehicle. If
you
> > have three pulling cables all going in the same direction (out, around
> > block, back, around block, out, attached) your pull will be 3:1. I
don't
> > care how many blocks you have in your rigging, if you only have one
pulling
> > cable attached to your vehicle, you have a 1:1 pull. Period. (When I
say
> > attached, though, I mean directly attached or indirectly attached (like
via
> > a block that is attached to the vehicle) and part of the pulling
rigging.)
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
> > news:20030909212117.23171.00000619@mb-m05.aol.com...
> > > In article <b102b6e4.0309091315.e399b49@posting.google.com> ,
> > spam_box@ev1.net
> > > (Joshua Nelson) writes:
> > >
> > > >So all I need to do then is buy a much
> > > >longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
> > > >blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
> > > >back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
> > > >layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
> > > >strength.
> > >
> > > Like this? (each tree has a pulley)
> > >
> > > tree
> > > / \
> > > tree tree
> > > / \
> > > tree tree
> > > \ /
> > > Jeep
> > > You'd still have 2:1 ratio and you'd rip your tow hook and/or winch
off
> > your
> > > Jeep when the line pulls in one direction and the hook pulls in the
other.
> > >
> > > * * *
> > > Matt Macchiarolo
> > > www.townpeddler.com
> > > www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

TJim

I'm sorry, Mike. I have a lot of respect for you as an experienced jeeper
and a long time member of this group, but you need to brush up on your
physics. Especially force vectors.
The angle between the two departing forces is the thing. Since the force of
each cable is the same as the pulling force of the winch (disregarding
losses in the blocks, etc.) the following is true:
When the angle between the two cables is 0* (both pulling in the same
direction), the pull is 2x the winch pull at 1/2 the speed.
When the angle between the two pulling cables is 90*, you have a vectored
force of the square root of 2, or 1.414:1 in the direction that is halfway
between the two cables (45* from each).
When the angle between the two cables attached to the jeep is 180*, there is
no effective pull on the jeep and the speed is 0. No matter how much the
winch pulls, it is also pulling in the opposite direction equally thus, the
jeep sits.
I'm not going to argue this any further. Try it yourself and see. I'm not
trying to start a fight. I'm just trying to help people understand the
effect of pulling with multiple cables.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5F3338.2B80B4FA@sympatico.ca...
> Yes it is a basic 2:1 pull.
>
> The cable leaves the winch and goes to one or more vectoring pulleys and
> then comes back to the winch, you have a 2:1 pull.
>
> The trick is it comes back to the start. The vectoring pulleys will all
> add up to a 180 degree turn, they have to or the cable wouldn't come
> back to the winch. (you do the math)
>
> Although it is much more efficient to just run with one pulley on a tree
> and back, the vector changes don't come into play when thinking of the
> winding up ratio except as a friction loss.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> TJim wrote:
> >
> > That is NOT a 2:1 pull. Not if the two cable sections on the pulled
vehicle
> > (in this case, the pulling vehicle, too) don't both go in exactly the
same
> > direction. The pull is the combined vector created by the two
individual
> > pulls. If the cables go off at 90* from each other, the combined pull
is
> > the square root of 2, or 1.414:1. If the cables go off in opposite
> > directions, or 180*, the combined pull on the vehicle is 0. Yes, the
> > individual cables may rip the tow hooks off, but only if a single cable
> > would rip the hook off when pulling in the same direction against a
vehicle
> > that was un-movable. (I probably shouldn't have added that last
statement.
> > I'm not sure anyone will understand it.)
> > Any winch pull can be easily calculated by combining the vectors of each
> > pulling cable directly or indirectly attached to the pulled vehicle. If
you
> > have three pulling cables all going in the same direction (out, around
> > block, back, around block, out, attached) your pull will be 3:1. I
don't
> > care how many blocks you have in your rigging, if you only have one
pulling
> > cable attached to your vehicle, you have a 1:1 pull. Period. (When I
say
> > attached, though, I mean directly attached or indirectly attached (like
via
> > a block that is attached to the vehicle) and part of the pulling
rigging.)
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
> > news:20030909212117.23171.00000619@mb-m05.aol.com...
> > > In article <b102b6e4.0309091315.e399b49@posting.google.com> ,
> > spam_box@ev1.net
> > > (Joshua Nelson) writes:
> > >
> > > >So all I need to do then is buy a much
> > > >longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
> > > >blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
> > > >back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
> > > >layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
> > > >strength.
> > >
> > > Like this? (each tree has a pulley)
> > >
> > > tree
> > > / \
> > > tree tree
> > > / \
> > > tree tree
> > > \ /
> > > Jeep
> > > You'd still have 2:1 ratio and you'd rip your tow hook and/or winch
off
> > your
> > > Jeep when the line pulls in one direction and the hook pulls in the
other.
> > >
> > > * * *
> > > Matt Macchiarolo
> > > www.townpeddler.com
> > > www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Joshua Nelson

> This thread is frightening.
> it would appear that our collective mastery of simple machines only slightly
> surpasses our artistic ability.


MAybe next I should ask about the complex differences between the gas
pedal and the brake pedal. :-)

Joshua Nelson

> This thread is frightening.
> it would appear that our collective mastery of simple machines only slightly
> surpasses our artistic ability.


MAybe next I should ask about the complex differences between the gas
pedal and the brake pedal. :-)

A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME

I see that, I was assuming (I know, a mistake all the time) that it was a
straight line self recovery, not some strange multivehicle snake pit of
cables. Sorry.

(so far, the posts I have seen have done well to prove there are good many
ways to hurt yourself with a winch... And that is about the only common
"thread" in the thread.)

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:YZz7b.5931$b43.55126213@news-text.cableinet.net...
> look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
> : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
> : degrees.
> : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
> : >
> : > --
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : I just read the original again:
> : > :
> : > : --------------
> : > :
> : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
> : > :
> : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> : > : cableEnd]"
> : > :
> : > : --------------
> : > :
> : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving
> force
> : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force,
> since
> : > it is
> : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block, then
to
> : > another
> : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and only
> : then
> : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > > Huh???
> : > : > >
> : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have
> twenty
> : > of
> : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself,
the
> : 20
> : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Mike
> : > : > >
> : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
> with
> : > the
> : > : > line
> : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
> : easily,
> : > but
> : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
> not
> : > just
> : > : > an
> : > : > > > > angle changer.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME

I see that, I was assuming (I know, a mistake all the time) that it was a
straight line self recovery, not some strange multivehicle snake pit of
cables. Sorry.

(so far, the posts I have seen have done well to prove there are good many
ways to hurt yourself with a winch... And that is about the only common
"thread" in the thread.)

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:YZz7b.5931$b43.55126213@news-text.cableinet.net...
> look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
> : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
> : degrees.
> : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
> : >
> : > --
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : I just read the original again:
> : > :
> : > : --------------
> : > :
> : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
> : > :
> : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> : > : cableEnd]"
> : > :
> : > : --------------
> : > :
> : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving
> force
> : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force,
> since
> : > it is
> : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block, then
to
> : > another
> : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and only
> : then
> : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > > Huh???
> : > : > >
> : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have
> twenty
> : > of
> : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself,
the
> : 20
> : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Mike
> : > : > >
> : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
> with
> : > the
> : > : > line
> : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
> : easily,
> : > but
> : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
> not
> : > just
> : > : > an
> : > : > > > > angle changer.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME

I would have to defer that question to my other half... the woman that
confused them, and backed my mog through a pole barn wall.

the mog won...

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309100800.6ff4dc7c@posting.google.c om...
> > This thread is frightening.
> > it would appear that our collective mastery of simple machines only
slightly
> > surpasses our artistic ability.
>
>
> MAybe next I should ask about the complex differences between the gas
> pedal and the brake pedal. :-)

A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME

I would have to defer that question to my other half... the woman that
confused them, and backed my mog through a pole barn wall.

the mog won...

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309100800.6ff4dc7c@posting.google.c om...
> > This thread is frightening.
> > it would appear that our collective mastery of simple machines only
slightly
> > surpasses our artistic ability.
>
>
> MAybe next I should ask about the complex differences between the gas
> pedal and the brake pedal. :-)

Dave Milne

Unfortunately that's not modelling the situation correctly as the foot
doesn't move.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5F3136.3285D069@sympatico.ca...
: Umm Dave, look again at my string example.
:
: If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or any
: other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string around
: your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right hand
: (the winch), your foot only moves 6".
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
message
: > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
: > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
: > : degrees.
: > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : I just read the original again:
: > : > :
: > : > : --------------
: > : > :
: > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
: > : > :
: > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
: > : > : cableEnd]"
: > : > :
: > : > : --------------
: > : > :
: > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > :
: > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving
: > force
: > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force,
: > since
: > : > it is
: > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
then to
: > : > another
: > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and
only
: > : then
: > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : > > Huh???
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have
: > twenty
: > : > of
: > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself,
the
: > : 20
: > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : > > >
: > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : > > >
: > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
: > with
: > : > the
: > : > : > line
: > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
: > : easily,
: > : > but
: > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
circuit,
: > not
: > : > just
: > : > : > an
: > : > : > > > > angle changer.
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > Mike
: > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
: > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :