Re: Superwinch = junk
In article <3f67b03f.77074050@news.west.earthlink.net>, David Harmon
<source@netcom.com> writes: >>I note that the Ramsey video went to another vehicle with a snatch block, >>then terminated at a tree ( the "three point recovery") and then claimed >>that this >>doubled the pulling power - it didn't obviously as it didn't loop back to >>either >>the other vehicle or the vehicle with the winch.. > >OK, I didn't see the video, but what multiplier of pulling power >do you think they achieved if it is so obviously not double? One. >How many feet of winch cable do they need to wind in in order to >move the load by one foot? One foot, if the line wasn't doubled back to the vehicle. If it was, they'd need two feet of line to move the load one foot. Similar to a reduction gear with a 2:1 ratio. * * * Matt Macchiarolo www.townpeddler.com www.wolverine4wd.org http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html |
Re: Superwinch = junk
If they had a second snatch block on the recovered vehicle with the line
going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio. Think block and tackle.... The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily, but you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just an angle changer. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > > In article <3f67b03f.77074050@news.west.earthlink.net>, David Harmon > <source@netcom.com> writes: > > >>I note that the Ramsey video went to another vehicle with a snatch block, > >>then terminated at a tree ( the "three point recovery") and then claimed > >>that this > >>doubled the pulling power - it didn't obviously as it didn't loop back to > >>either > >>the other vehicle or the vehicle with the winch.. > > > >OK, I didn't see the video, but what multiplier of pulling power > >do you think they achieved if it is so obviously not double? > > One. > > >How many feet of winch cable do they need to wind in in order to > >move the load by one foot? > > One foot, if the line wasn't doubled back to the vehicle. If it was, they'd > need two feet of line to move the load one foot. Similar to a reduction gear > with a 2:1 ratio. > * * * > Matt Macchiarolo > www.townpeddler.com > www.wolverine4wd.org > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html |
Re: Superwinch = junk
If they had a second snatch block on the recovered vehicle with the line
going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio. Think block and tackle.... The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily, but you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just an angle changer. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > > In article <3f67b03f.77074050@news.west.earthlink.net>, David Harmon > <source@netcom.com> writes: > > >>I note that the Ramsey video went to another vehicle with a snatch block, > >>then terminated at a tree ( the "three point recovery") and then claimed > >>that this > >>doubled the pulling power - it didn't obviously as it didn't loop back to > >>either > >>the other vehicle or the vehicle with the winch.. > > > >OK, I didn't see the video, but what multiplier of pulling power > >do you think they achieved if it is so obviously not double? > > One. > > >How many feet of winch cable do they need to wind in in order to > >move the load by one foot? > > One foot, if the line wasn't doubled back to the vehicle. If it was, they'd > need two feet of line to move the load one foot. Similar to a reduction gear > with a 2:1 ratio. > * * * > Matt Macchiarolo > www.townpeddler.com > www.wolverine4wd.org > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html |
Re: Superwinch = junk
Huh???
The first snatch block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty of them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the 20 blocks will still be 1:1. Mike "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: > > The second snatch block would be 4:1 > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > > If they had a second snatch block on the recovered vehicle with the line > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio. > > > > Think block and tackle.... > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily, but > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just an > > angle changer. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: Superwinch = junk
Huh???
The first snatch block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty of them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the 20 blocks will still be 1:1. Mike "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: > > The second snatch block would be 4:1 > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > > If they had a second snatch block on the recovered vehicle with the line > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio. > > > > Think block and tackle.... > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily, but > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just an > > angle changer. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: Superwinch = junk
exactly !
Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca... : Huh??? : : The first snatch block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty of : them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the 20 : blocks will still be 1:1. : : Mike : : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: : > : > The second snatch block would be 4:1 : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ : > : > Mike Romain wrote: : > > : > > If they had a second snatch block on the recovered vehicle with the line : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio. : > > : > > Think block and tackle.... : > > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily, but : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just an : > > angle changer. : > > : > > Mike : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: Superwinch = junk
exactly !
Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca... : Huh??? : : The first snatch block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty of : them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the 20 : blocks will still be 1:1. : : Mike : : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: : > : > The second snatch block would be 4:1 : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ : > : > Mike Romain wrote: : > > : > > If they had a second snatch block on the recovered vehicle with the line : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio. : > > : > > Think block and tackle.... : > > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily, but : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just an : > > angle changer. : > > : > > Mike : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: Superwinch = junk
it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving force
(truck) the snatch block is not a simple re-vector of the force, since it is going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block, then to another tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and only then would it be a 1:1 ratio. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca... > Huh??? > > The first snatch block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty of > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the 20 > blocks will still be 1:1. > > Mike > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: > > > > The second snatch block would be 4:1 > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > > > > If they had a second snatch block on the recovered vehicle with the line > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio. > > > > > > Think block and tackle.... > > > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily, but > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just an > > > angle changer. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: Superwinch = junk
it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving force
(truck) the snatch block is not a simple re-vector of the force, since it is going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block, then to another tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and only then would it be a 1:1 ratio. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca... > Huh??? > > The first snatch block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty of > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the 20 > blocks will still be 1:1. > > Mike > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: > > > > The second snatch block would be 4:1 > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > > > > If they had a second snatch block on the recovered vehicle with the line > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio. > > > > > > Think block and tackle.... > > > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily, but > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just an > > > angle changer. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: Superwinch = junk
Just remember you're using twice the force to pull out the tree.
;-) God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > I was thinking I needed it for the angle pulls actually. > > We wheel on narrow trails and there have been a few times where someone > has gone off the side and I can't get a straight pull on them. If I had > a snatch block, I could angle off a tree or another Jeep to get the > right angle to get them out. > > Mike |
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