musing about fuel savings
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Re: musing about fuel savings
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:38:12 UTC "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
> > Keith Black hard block Hemis use two spark plugs:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/ScottKalitta.jpg Which costs between
> > fifty and a quarter of a million dollars. But not no other Chrysler Hemi
> > chamber ever had an extra plugged hole:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/hemiChamber.jpg
>
> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>
> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
> synched was a bugger.
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
You obviously are not a pilot. Twin mags are real comforting when the
closest thing to level ground anywhere within gliding distance is
either a lake surface or strewn with 6 foot boulders. Just like
cylinder head temp. We could get much better mileage and power if we
could manually lean the mixture - but who wants to drive constant RPM
and futz with it? Besides, even half the pilots can't get it right.
--
Will Honea
wrote:
>
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
> > Keith Black hard block Hemis use two spark plugs:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/ScottKalitta.jpg Which costs between
> > fifty and a quarter of a million dollars. But not no other Chrysler Hemi
> > chamber ever had an extra plugged hole:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/hemiChamber.jpg
>
> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>
> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
> synched was a bugger.
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
You obviously are not a pilot. Twin mags are real comforting when the
closest thing to level ground anywhere within gliding distance is
either a lake surface or strewn with 6 foot boulders. Just like
cylinder head temp. We could get much better mileage and power if we
could manually lean the mixture - but who wants to drive constant RPM
and futz with it? Besides, even half the pilots can't get it right.
--
Will Honea
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Re: musing about fuel savings
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:38:12 UTC "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
> > Keith Black hard block Hemis use two spark plugs:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/ScottKalitta.jpg Which costs between
> > fifty and a quarter of a million dollars. But not no other Chrysler Hemi
> > chamber ever had an extra plugged hole:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/hemiChamber.jpg
>
> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>
> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
> synched was a bugger.
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
You obviously are not a pilot. Twin mags are real comforting when the
closest thing to level ground anywhere within gliding distance is
either a lake surface or strewn with 6 foot boulders. Just like
cylinder head temp. We could get much better mileage and power if we
could manually lean the mixture - but who wants to drive constant RPM
and futz with it? Besides, even half the pilots can't get it right.
--
Will Honea
wrote:
>
> ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
> > Keith Black hard block Hemis use two spark plugs:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/ScottKalitta.jpg Which costs between
> > fifty and a quarter of a million dollars. But not no other Chrysler Hemi
> > chamber ever had an extra plugged hole:
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/hemiChamber.jpg
>
> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>
> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
> synched was a bugger.
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
You obviously are not a pilot. Twin mags are real comforting when the
closest thing to level ground anywhere within gliding distance is
either a lake surface or strewn with 6 foot boulders. Just like
cylinder head temp. We could get much better mileage and power if we
could manually lean the mixture - but who wants to drive constant RPM
and futz with it? Besides, even half the pilots can't get it right.
--
Will Honea
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Something would be wrong, you risk over charging the battery if
somehow the regulator were bypassed.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Will Honea wrote:
>
> Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> segment in an alternator, either.
>
> --
> Will Honea
somehow the regulator were bypassed.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> segment in an alternator, either.
>
> --
> Will Honea
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Something would be wrong, you risk over charging the battery if
somehow the regulator were bypassed.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> segment in an alternator, either.
>
> --
> Will Honea
somehow the regulator were bypassed.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> segment in an alternator, either.
>
> --
> Will Honea
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Something would be wrong, you risk over charging the battery if
somehow the regulator were bypassed.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> segment in an alternator, either.
>
> --
> Will Honea
somehow the regulator were bypassed.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> segment in an alternator, either.
>
> --
> Will Honea
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
And there was no way you could buy the car without the hubcaps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Will Honea wrote:
>
> The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
> Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
> extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
> 3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
> --
> Will Honea
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
> Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
> extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
> 3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
> --
> Will Honea
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
And there was no way you could buy the car without the hubcaps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
> Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
> extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
> 3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
> --
> Will Honea
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
> Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
> extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
> 3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
> --
> Will Honea
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
And there was no way you could buy the car without the hubcaps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
> Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
> extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
> 3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
> --
> Will Honea
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
> Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
> extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
> 3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
> --
> Will Honea
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Re: musing about fuel savings
They weren't state employees. It was a private outfit with a state
contract.
I am sure all the complaints and lawsuits over damage done to the vehicles
they were inspecting did not help...
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<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
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> Minnesota eliminated the inspections a few years back for exactly the
> reasons you mention. I was amazed that a government would eliminate
> part of itself.
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:11:58 -0400, "Billy Ray"
> <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>>I just had to have my WJ inspected for its EPA certification.
>>
>>The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
>>exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
>>
>>In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition
>>switch
>>on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any
>>lights
>>come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see
>>if
>>any codes are stored.
>>
>>So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
>>morning when you start the car.
>>
>>My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
>>knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
>>were tested tomorrow.
>>
>>The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
>>that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
>>exempt from the standards.
>>
>>The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
>>drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
>
>
>
> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
contract.
I am sure all the complaints and lawsuits over damage done to the vehicles
they were inspecting did not help...
--
..
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:2quej1pr46a7e0n707dn2emlbdpbsqi9bi@4ax.com...
> Minnesota eliminated the inspections a few years back for exactly the
> reasons you mention. I was amazed that a government would eliminate
> part of itself.
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:11:58 -0400, "Billy Ray"
> <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>>I just had to have my WJ inspected for its EPA certification.
>>
>>The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
>>exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
>>
>>In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition
>>switch
>>on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any
>>lights
>>come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see
>>if
>>any codes are stored.
>>
>>So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
>>morning when you start the car.
>>
>>My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
>>knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
>>were tested tomorrow.
>>
>>The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
>>that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
>>exempt from the standards.
>>
>>The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
>>drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
>
>
>
> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
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Re: musing about fuel savings
They weren't state employees. It was a private outfit with a state
contract.
I am sure all the complaints and lawsuits over damage done to the vehicles
they were inspecting did not help...
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:2quej1pr46a7e0n707dn2emlbdpbsqi9bi@4ax.com...
> Minnesota eliminated the inspections a few years back for exactly the
> reasons you mention. I was amazed that a government would eliminate
> part of itself.
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:11:58 -0400, "Billy Ray"
> <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>>I just had to have my WJ inspected for its EPA certification.
>>
>>The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
>>exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
>>
>>In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition
>>switch
>>on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any
>>lights
>>come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see
>>if
>>any codes are stored.
>>
>>So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
>>morning when you start the car.
>>
>>My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
>>knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
>>were tested tomorrow.
>>
>>The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
>>that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
>>exempt from the standards.
>>
>>The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
>>drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
>
>
>
> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
contract.
I am sure all the complaints and lawsuits over damage done to the vehicles
they were inspecting did not help...
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
news:2quej1pr46a7e0n707dn2emlbdpbsqi9bi@4ax.com...
> Minnesota eliminated the inspections a few years back for exactly the
> reasons you mention. I was amazed that a government would eliminate
> part of itself.
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:11:58 -0400, "Billy Ray"
> <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>>I just had to have my WJ inspected for its EPA certification.
>>
>>The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
>>exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
>>
>>In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition
>>switch
>>on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any
>>lights
>>come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see
>>if
>>any codes are stored.
>>
>>So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
>>morning when you start the car.
>>
>>My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
>>knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
>>were tested tomorrow.
>>
>>The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
>>that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
>>exempt from the standards.
>>
>>The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
>>drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
>
>
>
> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com