musing about fuel savings
#191
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:00:48 GMT, "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
>Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
>extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
>3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
I still have one of those super-secret cards that the salesman carried
around in his pocket that showed the dealer list prices. When they
wrote up an order, they never showed the individual prices of options,
just the total price. Of course you could always deal those prices
down. Often with a highly inflated trade-in so you didn't really know
what you were paying for the car. The one I have is for the 1957
Ford. The radio was $72.20. The heater was$45.20, unless you wanted
the Magic Aire which was $68.70. The wheel covers were $14.70. If
you wanted an oil filter, that was $9.50 extra.
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wrote:
>The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
>Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
>extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
>3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
I still have one of those super-secret cards that the salesman carried
around in his pocket that showed the dealer list prices. When they
wrote up an order, they never showed the individual prices of options,
just the total price. Of course you could always deal those prices
down. Often with a highly inflated trade-in so you didn't really know
what you were paying for the car. The one I have is for the 1957
Ford. The radio was $72.20. The heater was$45.20, unless you wanted
the Magic Aire which was $68.70. The wheel covers were $14.70. If
you wanted an oil filter, that was $9.50 extra.
----
#192
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:00:48 GMT, "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
>Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
>extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
>3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
I still have one of those super-secret cards that the salesman carried
around in his pocket that showed the dealer list prices. When they
wrote up an order, they never showed the individual prices of options,
just the total price. Of course you could always deal those prices
down. Often with a highly inflated trade-in so you didn't really know
what you were paying for the car. The one I have is for the 1957
Ford. The radio was $72.20. The heater was$45.20, unless you wanted
the Magic Aire which was $68.70. The wheel covers were $14.70. If
you wanted an oil filter, that was $9.50 extra.
----
wrote:
>The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
>Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
>extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
>3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
I still have one of those super-secret cards that the salesman carried
around in his pocket that showed the dealer list prices. When they
wrote up an order, they never showed the individual prices of options,
just the total price. Of course you could always deal those prices
down. Often with a highly inflated trade-in so you didn't really know
what you were paying for the car. The one I have is for the 1957
Ford. The radio was $72.20. The heater was$45.20, unless you wanted
the Magic Aire which was $68.70. The wheel covers were $14.70. If
you wanted an oil filter, that was $9.50 extra.
----
#193
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:00:48 GMT, "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
>Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
>extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
>3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
I still have one of those super-secret cards that the salesman carried
around in his pocket that showed the dealer list prices. When they
wrote up an order, they never showed the individual prices of options,
just the total price. Of course you could always deal those prices
down. Often with a highly inflated trade-in so you didn't really know
what you were paying for the car. The one I have is for the 1957
Ford. The radio was $72.20. The heater was$45.20, unless you wanted
the Magic Aire which was $68.70. The wheel covers were $14.70. If
you wanted an oil filter, that was $9.50 extra.
----
wrote:
>The first (and one of the very few) brand new cars I bought was a 1956
>Ford Club Coupe. Radio, heater, hub caps ("wheel covers") were all
>extra cost options. With rubber floor mats, six cylinder engine,
>3-spd manual tranny I think it cost me $1585 with tax.
I still have one of those super-secret cards that the salesman carried
around in his pocket that showed the dealer list prices. When they
wrote up an order, they never showed the individual prices of options,
just the total price. Of course you could always deal those prices
down. Often with a highly inflated trade-in so you didn't really know
what you were paying for the car. The one I have is for the 1957
Ford. The radio was $72.20. The heater was$45.20, unless you wanted
the Magic Aire which was $68.70. The wheel covers were $14.70. If
you wanted an oil filter, that was $9.50 extra.
----
#194
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Re: musing about fuel savings
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> Nope. You may have seen a very old magneto, no newer than the
> twenties, and Japanese small motorcycles, and lawnmowers.
> http://www.----------.com/cj3wire.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
Nope. Not a magneto. High tension magnetos will not reliably set off
bllasting caps. Low tension mags-like on telephones of old-will. But
the common generator, not a mag, was the more reliable and most used
device.
#195
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Re: musing about fuel savings
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> Nope. You may have seen a very old magneto, no newer than the
> twenties, and Japanese small motorcycles, and lawnmowers.
> http://www.----------.com/cj3wire.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
Nope. Not a magneto. High tension magnetos will not reliably set off
bllasting caps. Low tension mags-like on telephones of old-will. But
the common generator, not a mag, was the more reliable and most used
device.
#196
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Re: musing about fuel savings
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> Nope. You may have seen a very old magneto, no newer than the
> twenties, and Japanese small motorcycles, and lawnmowers.
> http://www.----------.com/cj3wire.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
Nope. Not a magneto. High tension magnetos will not reliably set off
bllasting caps. Low tension mags-like on telephones of old-will. But
the common generator, not a mag, was the more reliable and most used
device.
#197
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Will Honea wrote:
> Never did anything with it other than playing, Bill. The one setup I
> messed with when the subject of backup generators came up had a
> threshold switch that kept the regulator bypassed (actually open)
> until the initial voltage reached 12.6 volts. At that level, it would
> latch and connect the regulator plus starting the detector for excess
> available current to determine when to connect the load. Whole thing
> was to evaluate backup systems to see if they could be made reliable
> enough with prolonged idle periods - batteries tended to degrade after
> 2-3 years - and we had to be able to hand crank the suckers. We
> finally gave it up since we could not rely on enough self-excitation
> to power the ignition circuit and there was significant resistance
> from the bean counters to retro-fitting magneto ignition.
It would be very simple for the car manufacturers to build in a small
secondary winding and a couple of magnets to make a single phase AC gen
and a couple of 10 amp diodes for an exciter, but why would they spend
a dime they didn't have to?
The most creative bunch out there are the few EAA types actually
experimenting instead of whipping out credit cards for RV kits (and
POSL's). The sanitary and cool solution is a permanent magnet
alternator made for installation in outboard motors. You bolt the
stator on the front of the redrive and put the magnets on the prop hub.
The circle track racers have a similar deal in Circle Track magazine
for Pinto engines. I guess they still race them in some class.
#198
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Will Honea wrote:
> Never did anything with it other than playing, Bill. The one setup I
> messed with when the subject of backup generators came up had a
> threshold switch that kept the regulator bypassed (actually open)
> until the initial voltage reached 12.6 volts. At that level, it would
> latch and connect the regulator plus starting the detector for excess
> available current to determine when to connect the load. Whole thing
> was to evaluate backup systems to see if they could be made reliable
> enough with prolonged idle periods - batteries tended to degrade after
> 2-3 years - and we had to be able to hand crank the suckers. We
> finally gave it up since we could not rely on enough self-excitation
> to power the ignition circuit and there was significant resistance
> from the bean counters to retro-fitting magneto ignition.
It would be very simple for the car manufacturers to build in a small
secondary winding and a couple of magnets to make a single phase AC gen
and a couple of 10 amp diodes for an exciter, but why would they spend
a dime they didn't have to?
The most creative bunch out there are the few EAA types actually
experimenting instead of whipping out credit cards for RV kits (and
POSL's). The sanitary and cool solution is a permanent magnet
alternator made for installation in outboard motors. You bolt the
stator on the front of the redrive and put the magnets on the prop hub.
The circle track racers have a similar deal in Circle Track magazine
for Pinto engines. I guess they still race them in some class.
#199
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Will Honea wrote:
> Never did anything with it other than playing, Bill. The one setup I
> messed with when the subject of backup generators came up had a
> threshold switch that kept the regulator bypassed (actually open)
> until the initial voltage reached 12.6 volts. At that level, it would
> latch and connect the regulator plus starting the detector for excess
> available current to determine when to connect the load. Whole thing
> was to evaluate backup systems to see if they could be made reliable
> enough with prolonged idle periods - batteries tended to degrade after
> 2-3 years - and we had to be able to hand crank the suckers. We
> finally gave it up since we could not rely on enough self-excitation
> to power the ignition circuit and there was significant resistance
> from the bean counters to retro-fitting magneto ignition.
It would be very simple for the car manufacturers to build in a small
secondary winding and a couple of magnets to make a single phase AC gen
and a couple of 10 amp diodes for an exciter, but why would they spend
a dime they didn't have to?
The most creative bunch out there are the few EAA types actually
experimenting instead of whipping out credit cards for RV kits (and
POSL's). The sanitary and cool solution is a permanent magnet
alternator made for installation in outboard motors. You bolt the
stator on the front of the redrive and put the magnets on the prop hub.
The circle track racers have a similar deal in Circle Track magazine
for Pinto engines. I guess they still race them in some class.
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Will Honea wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:38:12 UTC "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
> > > Keith Black hard block Hemis use two spark plugs:
> > > http://www.----------.com/temp/ScottKalitta.jpg Which costs between
> > > fifty and a quarter of a million dollars. But not no other Chrysler Hemi
> > > chamber ever had an extra plugged hole:
> > > http://www.----------.com/temp/hemiChamber.jpg
> >
> > All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
> > machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
> > some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
> >
> > Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
> > didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
> > The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
> > sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
> > distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
> > synched was a bugger.
> >
> > Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> > Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
>
> You obviously are not a pilot. Twin mags are real comforting when the
> closest thing to level ground anywhere within gliding distance is
> either a lake surface or strewn with 6 foot boulders. Just like
> cylinder head temp. We could get much better mileage and power if we
> could manually lean the mixture - but who wants to drive constant RPM
> and futz with it? Besides, even half the pilots can't get it right.
1,338 TT when I lost my medical :-(
PP-ASMEL,Inst (single only),
I applied for a waiver, declined. If only I had simply not renewed,
I'd be eligible for Sport Pilot today. A pisser.
MOST pilots cannot operate a GTSIO Continental or TGIO Lyc properly.
It's a job for a FLIGHT ENGINEER, not a PILOT. Single pilot IFR in our
nightmarishly complex ATC system is tough enough in a
single-power-lever aircraft.
One mag, one electronic system with an electronically trimmed
mechanical FI system-called "supervisory" rather than "full
authority"-would give 99% of the redundancy of two mags plus provide
for single lever power control (especially if we got rid of free air
cooling, which worked on the A-65 in the J-3 pretty well but which has
no place on a 240 kt aircraft).
The average GA pilot IS NOT Yeager, Armstrong, or Hoover. And will
not, cannot, and does not want to be. Personal aircraft are consumer
products. We need to get rid of the fighter pilot mentality and design
for realistic owner-operation. That means single lever power control,
positive redundant electrical and/or vacuum sources for full panel (no
needle ball and alcohol crap-even the Air Force does not expect UPT
pupils to fly the T-38 that way) attitude display, and a few other
things. Combined with mandatory basic aerobatic training and airframes
that make even minimal use of crashworthiness lessons learned in
military helos and race cars, aviation can be made safe.
Of course you don't want that.