musing about fuel savings
09-25-2005, 11:38 PM
#121
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
> mileage.
>
> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>
> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out enough
> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
> >> Clap Trap wrote:
> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
> >>> voltmeters.
> >>>
> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
> >
> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
> >>
> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
> >
> > Correct.
> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
> >
http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
> mileage.
>
> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>
> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out enough
> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
> >> Clap Trap wrote:
> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
> >>> voltmeters.
> >>>
> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
> >
> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
> >>
> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
> >
> > Correct.
> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
> >
09-25-2005, 11:39 PM
#122
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
We had 2 days that year where the high temperature was -25F.
I did have to go out one of those days. My (now ex-) wife's Dodge started
fine but made the most God-Awful noises. I assume there was no oil flowing
in the engine
--
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376A44.AE6B304C@***.net...
> Oh, I remember I ripped that unnecessary stuff out from my Civilian
> Jeep: http://www.----------.com/cj5defrost.jpg and T-bird:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/underhood.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> h e a t e r... an option on civilian cars.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
I did have to go out one of those days. My (now ex-) wife's Dodge started
fine but made the most God-Awful noises. I assume there was no oil flowing
in the engine
--
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376A44.AE6B304C@***.net...
> Oh, I remember I ripped that unnecessary stuff out from my Civilian
> Jeep: http://www.----------.com/cj5defrost.jpg and T-bird:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/underhood.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> h e a t e r... an option on civilian cars.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
09-25-2005, 11:39 PM
#123
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
We had 2 days that year where the high temperature was -25F.
I did have to go out one of those days. My (now ex-) wife's Dodge started
fine but made the most God-Awful noises. I assume there was no oil flowing
in the engine
--
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376A44.AE6B304C@***.net...
> Oh, I remember I ripped that unnecessary stuff out from my Civilian
> Jeep: http://www.----------.com/cj5defrost.jpg and T-bird:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/underhood.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> h e a t e r... an option on civilian cars.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
I did have to go out one of those days. My (now ex-) wife's Dodge started
fine but made the most God-Awful noises. I assume there was no oil flowing
in the engine
--
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376A44.AE6B304C@***.net...
> Oh, I remember I ripped that unnecessary stuff out from my Civilian
> Jeep: http://www.----------.com/cj5defrost.jpg and T-bird:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/underhood.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> h e a t e r... an option on civilian cars.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
09-25-2005, 11:39 PM
#124
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
We had 2 days that year where the high temperature was -25F.
I did have to go out one of those days. My (now ex-) wife's Dodge started
fine but made the most God-Awful noises. I assume there was no oil flowing
in the engine
--
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376A44.AE6B304C@***.net...
> Oh, I remember I ripped that unnecessary stuff out from my Civilian
> Jeep: http://www.----------.com/cj5defrost.jpg and T-bird:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/underhood.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> h e a t e r... an option on civilian cars.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
I did have to go out one of those days. My (now ex-) wife's Dodge started
fine but made the most God-Awful noises. I assume there was no oil flowing
in the engine
--
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376A44.AE6B304C@***.net...
> Oh, I remember I ripped that unnecessary stuff out from my Civilian
> Jeep: http://www.----------.com/cj5defrost.jpg and T-bird:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/underhood.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> h e a t e r... an option on civilian cars.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
09-25-2005, 11:44 PM
#125
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
I can remember clearly when my dad bought a new. 1941 Chevrolet
Special Deluxe sedan just shortly before WWII. It came with beauty
rings on the wheels, and backup lamps. The lamps operated with a
switch under the dash. Easy to forget it was on. There was no radio,
no heater, no nothing else, but we thought it was "fully equipped."
My folks kept it until 1950 when we bought another "fully equipped"
Chevrolet with no heater, no radio, etc. We really are spoiled now.
----
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:59:53 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Heater?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> I could have been worse. When my oldest was a baby I had a car with no
>> heater. We used to wrap her up like a little Eskimo baby.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
Special Deluxe sedan just shortly before WWII. It came with beauty
rings on the wheels, and backup lamps. The lamps operated with a
switch under the dash. Easy to forget it was on. There was no radio,
no heater, no nothing else, but we thought it was "fully equipped."
My folks kept it until 1950 when we bought another "fully equipped"
Chevrolet with no heater, no radio, etc. We really are spoiled now.
----
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:59:53 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Heater?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> I could have been worse. When my oldest was a baby I had a car with no
>> heater. We used to wrap her up like a little Eskimo baby.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
09-25-2005, 11:44 PM
#126
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
I can remember clearly when my dad bought a new. 1941 Chevrolet
Special Deluxe sedan just shortly before WWII. It came with beauty
rings on the wheels, and backup lamps. The lamps operated with a
switch under the dash. Easy to forget it was on. There was no radio,
no heater, no nothing else, but we thought it was "fully equipped."
My folks kept it until 1950 when we bought another "fully equipped"
Chevrolet with no heater, no radio, etc. We really are spoiled now.
----
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:59:53 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Heater?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> I could have been worse. When my oldest was a baby I had a car with no
>> heater. We used to wrap her up like a little Eskimo baby.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
Special Deluxe sedan just shortly before WWII. It came with beauty
rings on the wheels, and backup lamps. The lamps operated with a
switch under the dash. Easy to forget it was on. There was no radio,
no heater, no nothing else, but we thought it was "fully equipped."
My folks kept it until 1950 when we bought another "fully equipped"
Chevrolet with no heater, no radio, etc. We really are spoiled now.
----
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:59:53 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Heater?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> I could have been worse. When my oldest was a baby I had a car with no
>> heater. We used to wrap her up like a little Eskimo baby.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
09-25-2005, 11:44 PM
#127
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Re: Off Topic Re: musing about fuel savings
I can remember clearly when my dad bought a new. 1941 Chevrolet
Special Deluxe sedan just shortly before WWII. It came with beauty
rings on the wheels, and backup lamps. The lamps operated with a
switch under the dash. Easy to forget it was on. There was no radio,
no heater, no nothing else, but we thought it was "fully equipped."
My folks kept it until 1950 when we bought another "fully equipped"
Chevrolet with no heater, no radio, etc. We really are spoiled now.
----
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:59:53 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Heater?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> I could have been worse. When my oldest was a baby I had a car with no
>> heater. We used to wrap her up like a little Eskimo baby.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
Special Deluxe sedan just shortly before WWII. It came with beauty
rings on the wheels, and backup lamps. The lamps operated with a
switch under the dash. Easy to forget it was on. There was no radio,
no heater, no nothing else, but we thought it was "fully equipped."
My folks kept it until 1950 when we bought another "fully equipped"
Chevrolet with no heater, no radio, etc. We really are spoiled now.
----
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:59:53 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Heater?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> I could have been worse. When my oldest was a baby I had a car with no
>> heater. We used to wrap her up like a little Eskimo baby.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
09-25-2005, 11:45 PM
#128
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Well.... Not sure what you will do then..A 4 cylinder Grand Cherokee or
Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
powered electric.
What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
powered electric.
What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
09-25-2005, 11:45 PM
#129
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Well.... Not sure what you will do then..A 4 cylinder Grand Cherokee or
Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
powered electric.
What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
powered electric.
What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
09-25-2005, 11:45 PM
#130
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Well.... Not sure what you will do then..A 4 cylinder Grand Cherokee or
Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
powered electric.
What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
powered electric.
What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
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>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >