musing about fuel savings
09-25-2005, 11:46 PM
#131
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Re: musing about fuel savings
ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
Hopefully with the energy crisis and all they will take away the right
of states to have more stringent laws than the Federal. Already, any
California buyer may buy any Federal-legal car and import it into the
state, IF it has more than a certain nomber of miles on it, as a used
car.
I hope your neighbors all buy CRD Libtys.
09-25-2005, 11:46 PM
#132
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Re: musing about fuel savings
ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
Hopefully with the energy crisis and all they will take away the right
of states to have more stringent laws than the Federal. Already, any
California buyer may buy any Federal-legal car and import it into the
state, IF it has more than a certain nomber of miles on it, as a used
car.
I hope your neighbors all buy CRD Libtys.
09-25-2005, 11:46 PM
#133
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Re: musing about fuel savings
ßill L. W. ------ III wrote:
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
Hopefully with the energy crisis and all they will take away the right
of states to have more stringent laws than the Federal. Already, any
California buyer may buy any Federal-legal car and import it into the
state, IF it has more than a certain nomber of miles on it, as a used
car.
I hope your neighbors all buy CRD Libtys.
09-26-2005, 12:11 AM
#134
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Re: musing about fuel savings
I just had to have my WJ inspected for its EPA certification.
The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition switch
on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any lights
come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see if
any codes are stored.
So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
morning when you start the car.
My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
were tested tomorrow.
The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
exempt from the standards.
The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
--
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition switch
on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any lights
come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see if
any codes are stored.
So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
morning when you start the car.
My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
were tested tomorrow.
The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
exempt from the standards.
The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
09-26-2005, 12:11 AM
#135
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Re: musing about fuel savings
I just had to have my WJ inspected for its EPA certification.
The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition switch
on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any lights
come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see if
any codes are stored.
So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
morning when you start the car.
My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
were tested tomorrow.
The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
exempt from the standards.
The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition switch
on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any lights
come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see if
any codes are stored.
So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
morning when you start the car.
My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
were tested tomorrow.
The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
exempt from the standards.
The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
09-26-2005, 12:11 AM
#136
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Re: musing about fuel savings
I just had to have my WJ inspected for its EPA certification.
The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition switch
on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any lights
come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see if
any codes are stored.
So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
morning when you start the car.
My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
were tested tomorrow.
The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
exempt from the standards.
The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition switch
on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any lights
come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see if
any codes are stored.
So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
morning when you start the car.
My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
were tested tomorrow.
The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
exempt from the standards.
The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43376D36.C5ABFEBF@***.net...
> Not in Kalifornia, diesel cars are outlawed:
> http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html#cal
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> If the EPA has its way and they reclassify Pickups, Vans, and SUVs as
>> passenger cars (which they generally are) we may be seeing diesels as
>> standard equipment or low cost options because they will need to up their
>> mileage.
>>
>> Add onto that they want to raise CAFE another 10%.
>>
>> Small gasoline engines, which were fine for real Jeeps, don't put out
>> enough
>> torque for the modern large applications that people want.
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:g3GZe.7254$P34.3652@okepread07...
>> > Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
>> >> Clap Trap wrote:
>> >>> Real Jeeps have generators and amp gages, not alternators and dumba**
>> >>> voltmeters.
>> >>>
>> >>> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >>>> Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
>> >>>> alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
>> >
>> >>>> Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
>> >>>>> amplifiers, or off road lights
>> >>
>> >> Yes but real off road vehicles don't have.....spark plugs.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> > http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>> >
09-26-2005, 12:12 AM
#137
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Re: musing about fuel savings
I think Arnie's twelve Hummer's are H2s which are gasoline on Tahoe
chassis: http://www.----------.com/temp/Schwa...erhummerh2.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Well.... Not sure what you will do then..A 4 cylinder Grand Cherokee or
> Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
> Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
> powered electric.
>
> What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
chassis: http://www.----------.com/temp/Schwa...erhummerh2.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Well.... Not sure what you will do then..A 4 cylinder Grand Cherokee or
> Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
> Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
> powered electric.
>
> What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
09-26-2005, 12:12 AM
#138
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Re: musing about fuel savings
I think Arnie's twelve Hummer's are H2s which are gasoline on Tahoe
chassis: http://www.----------.com/temp/Schwa...erhummerh2.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Well.... Not sure what you will do then..A 4 cylinder Grand Cherokee or
> Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
> Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
> powered electric.
>
> What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
chassis: http://www.----------.com/temp/Schwa...erhummerh2.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Well.... Not sure what you will do then..A 4 cylinder Grand Cherokee or
> Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
> Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
> powered electric.
>
> What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
09-26-2005, 12:12 AM
#139
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Re: musing about fuel savings
I think Arnie's twelve Hummer's are H2s which are gasoline on Tahoe
chassis: http://www.----------.com/temp/Schwa...erhummerh2.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Well.... Not sure what you will do then..A 4 cylinder Grand Cherokee or
> Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
> Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
> powered electric.
>
> What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
chassis: http://www.----------.com/temp/Schwa...erhummerh2.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Well.... Not sure what you will do then..A 4 cylinder Grand Cherokee or
> Commander would be a hard sell. I guess they will have to drop the
> Wrangler's available engines to that 1 liter Suzuki engine or a solar
> powered electric.
>
> What engine does Arnold have in his Hummers?
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
09-26-2005, 12:27 AM
#140
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Seven five hundred make it a Used, used car:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/osreg.htm#BM2561
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Hopefully with the energy crisis and all they will take away the right
> of states to have more stringent laws than the Federal. Already, any
> California buyer may buy any Federal-legal car and import it into the
> state, IF it has more than a certain nomber of miles on it, as a used
> car.
>
> I hope your neighbors all buy CRD Libtys.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/osreg.htm#BM2561
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Hopefully with the energy crisis and all they will take away the right
> of states to have more stringent laws than the Federal. Already, any
> California buyer may buy any Federal-legal car and import it into the
> state, IF it has more than a certain nomber of miles on it, as a used
> car.
>
> I hope your neighbors all buy CRD Libtys.