Mismatched tire brands
#141
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
LOL I use to drive to school in a twenty dollar car on twenty five
cent used tires from the dump, tell me about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg Those are Mickey Mouse white
walls.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
cent used tires from the dump, tell me about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg Those are Mickey Mouse white
walls.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
#142
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
LOL I use to drive to school in a twenty dollar car on twenty five
cent used tires from the dump, tell me about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg Those are Mickey Mouse white
walls.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
cent used tires from the dump, tell me about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg Those are Mickey Mouse white
walls.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
#143
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Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
The ones Ive run across are one tire of substantially different make and
or model from the others. With just a bit too much speed for the
surface, it tends to result in really squirrelly handling.
Of course I check tire match with a hands off hard stop on the sports
car, and getting near the lane boundaries is a "fail".
Billy Ray proclaimed:
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Spdloader proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>(Sorry this is so long)
>>>
>>>No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>>>differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>>>mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>>>in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>>>trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>>>tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>>>out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>>>owner.
>>
>>Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
>>tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
>>skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
>>on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
>>sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>>
>>
>>>Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>>>responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>>>with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>>>heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>>>accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>>>accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>>>point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>>>someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>>>killed or maimed on one.
>>>
>>>Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>>>that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>>>fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>>>weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>>>acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>>>front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>>>The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>>>right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>>>problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>>
>>>Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>>>of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>>
>>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>>>in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>>>didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>>>maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>>>on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>>>road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>C. Tracy Bryson
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>>
>>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>>wrong.
>>>>
>>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>>
>>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>>
>>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>>
>>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>>
>>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>>tires
>>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>>vehicle
>>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Later,
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast .rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
or model from the others. With just a bit too much speed for the
surface, it tends to result in really squirrelly handling.
Of course I check tire match with a hands off hard stop on the sports
car, and getting near the lane boundaries is a "fail".
Billy Ray proclaimed:
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Spdloader proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>(Sorry this is so long)
>>>
>>>No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>>>differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>>>mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>>>in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>>>trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>>>tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>>>out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>>>owner.
>>
>>Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
>>tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
>>skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
>>on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
>>sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>>
>>
>>>Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>>>responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>>>with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>>>heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>>>accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>>>accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>>>point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>>>someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>>>killed or maimed on one.
>>>
>>>Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>>>that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>>>fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>>>weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>>>acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>>>front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>>>The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>>>right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>>>problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>>
>>>Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>>>of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>>
>>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>>>in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>>>didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>>>maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>>>on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>>>road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>C. Tracy Bryson
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>>
>>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>>wrong.
>>>>
>>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>>
>>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>>
>>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>>
>>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>>
>>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>>tires
>>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>>vehicle
>>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Later,
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast .rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
#144
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
The ones Ive run across are one tire of substantially different make and
or model from the others. With just a bit too much speed for the
surface, it tends to result in really squirrelly handling.
Of course I check tire match with a hands off hard stop on the sports
car, and getting near the lane boundaries is a "fail".
Billy Ray proclaimed:
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Spdloader proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>(Sorry this is so long)
>>>
>>>No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>>>differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>>>mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>>>in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>>>trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>>>tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>>>out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>>>owner.
>>
>>Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
>>tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
>>skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
>>on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
>>sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>>
>>
>>>Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>>>responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>>>with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>>>heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>>>accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>>>accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>>>point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>>>someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>>>killed or maimed on one.
>>>
>>>Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>>>that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>>>fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>>>weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>>>acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>>>front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>>>The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>>>right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>>>problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>>
>>>Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>>>of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>>
>>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>>>in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>>>didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>>>maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>>>on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>>>road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>C. Tracy Bryson
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>>
>>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>>wrong.
>>>>
>>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>>
>>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>>
>>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>>
>>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>>
>>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>>tires
>>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>>vehicle
>>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Later,
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast .rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
or model from the others. With just a bit too much speed for the
surface, it tends to result in really squirrelly handling.
Of course I check tire match with a hands off hard stop on the sports
car, and getting near the lane boundaries is a "fail".
Billy Ray proclaimed:
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Spdloader proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>(Sorry this is so long)
>>>
>>>No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>>>differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>>>mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>>>in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>>>trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>>>tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>>>out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>>>owner.
>>
>>Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
>>tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
>>skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
>>on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
>>sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>>
>>
>>>Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>>>responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>>>with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>>>heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>>>accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>>>accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>>>point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>>>someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>>>killed or maimed on one.
>>>
>>>Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>>>that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>>>fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>>>weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>>>acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>>>front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>>>The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>>>right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>>>problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>>
>>>Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>>>of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>>
>>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>>>in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>>>didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>>>maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>>>on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>>>road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>C. Tracy Bryson
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>>
>>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>>wrong.
>>>>
>>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>>
>>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>>
>>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>>
>>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>>
>>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>>tires
>>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>>vehicle
>>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Later,
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast .rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
#145
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
The ones Ive run across are one tire of substantially different make and
or model from the others. With just a bit too much speed for the
surface, it tends to result in really squirrelly handling.
Of course I check tire match with a hands off hard stop on the sports
car, and getting near the lane boundaries is a "fail".
Billy Ray proclaimed:
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Spdloader proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>(Sorry this is so long)
>>>
>>>No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>>>differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>>>mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>>>in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>>>trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>>>tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>>>out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>>>owner.
>>
>>Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
>>tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
>>skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
>>on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
>>sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>>
>>
>>>Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>>>responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>>>with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>>>heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>>>accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>>>accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>>>point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>>>someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>>>killed or maimed on one.
>>>
>>>Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>>>that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>>>fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>>>weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>>>acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>>>front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>>>The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>>>right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>>>problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>>
>>>Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>>>of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>>
>>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>>>in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>>>didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>>>maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>>>on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>>>road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>C. Tracy Bryson
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>>
>>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>>wrong.
>>>>
>>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>>
>>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>>
>>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>>
>>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>>
>>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>>tires
>>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>>vehicle
>>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Later,
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast .rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
or model from the others. With just a bit too much speed for the
surface, it tends to result in really squirrelly handling.
Of course I check tire match with a hands off hard stop on the sports
car, and getting near the lane boundaries is a "fail".
Billy Ray proclaimed:
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Spdloader proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>(Sorry this is so long)
>>>
>>>No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>>>differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>>>mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>>>in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>>>trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>>>tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>>>out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>>>owner.
>>
>>Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
>>tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
>>skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
>>on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
>>sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>>
>>
>>>Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>>>responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>>>with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>>>heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>>>accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>>>accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>>>point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>>>someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>>>killed or maimed on one.
>>>
>>>Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>>>that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>>>fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>>>weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>>>acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>>>front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>>>The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>>>right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>>>problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>>
>>>Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>>>of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>>
>>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>>>in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>>>didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>>>maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>>>on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>>>road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>C. Tracy Bryson
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>>
>>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>>wrong.
>>>>
>>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>>
>>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>>
>>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>>
>>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>>
>>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>>tires
>>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>>vehicle
>>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Later,
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast .rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
#146
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
Actually the school bus exemption is no longer on code violation I
used threaten my customers with:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27465.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Now Bill, they only allow bald tires if it is on a dually axle. Don't
> exaggerate.
used threaten my customers with:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27465.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Now Bill, they only allow bald tires if it is on a dually axle. Don't
> exaggerate.
#147
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
Actually the school bus exemption is no longer on code violation I
used threaten my customers with:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27465.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Now Bill, they only allow bald tires if it is on a dually axle. Don't
> exaggerate.
used threaten my customers with:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27465.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Now Bill, they only allow bald tires if it is on a dually axle. Don't
> exaggerate.
#148
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
Actually the school bus exemption is no longer on code violation I
used threaten my customers with:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27465.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Now Bill, they only allow bald tires if it is on a dually axle. Don't
> exaggerate.
used threaten my customers with:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27465.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Now Bill, they only allow bald tires if it is on a dually axle. Don't
> exaggerate.
#149
Guest
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
I will say this again Lon,
I said "WILDLY Different tires".
I said I was pointing out the differences between the US and Canada when I
mentioned the 3/32 tread depth. I WAS NOT saying I support it.
Yes I have pulled people out of ditches with thin tire tread, but the tread
didn't CAUSE the accident, driving too fast for conditions DID. Conditions
being : speed, curve, low pressure tires, wet roadway, not enough tread on
tires, driver inexperience etc.
My point was, I do have a lot of experience with this, but in no way am I
proclaiming to be an expert. Just relating real world experience. A lot of
it.
By the way:
I hear, that if you mix and match a Bridgestone, with a Cooper, and a
Michelin with a Goodyear, and drive the car backwards, you'll hear Molly
Hatchet playing "Flirtin' With Disaster".
I sure as heck wouldn't want to do that.
Spdloader
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncM1Zq4vbBXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> I forgot to add,
>>
>> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>> tires have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I do sincerely hope you are not proposing that the typically governmental
> asinine legal standards used for determinine a worn out tire are at all
> applicable to how dangerous the handling can be on mismatched tires. Or
> whether mismatched tires on the same axle would potentially void a
> warranty due to owner abuse and failure to pay attention.
>
>>
>> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>> vehicle code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Again, so what is your point? Ever pull a vehicle out of the ditch
> because some doofus thought thoas standards were good enough and was
> running around with mismatched tires and discovered why serious drivers
> refuse to consider the concept?
>
>
>
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>>
>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>drive after reading some of these replies.
>>>
>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>
>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>that big a deal.
>>>
>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
>>>making this up.
>>>
>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
>>>
>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>
>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.google groups.com...
>>>
>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>
>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>
>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>all wrong.
>>>>
>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
I said "WILDLY Different tires".
I said I was pointing out the differences between the US and Canada when I
mentioned the 3/32 tread depth. I WAS NOT saying I support it.
Yes I have pulled people out of ditches with thin tire tread, but the tread
didn't CAUSE the accident, driving too fast for conditions DID. Conditions
being : speed, curve, low pressure tires, wet roadway, not enough tread on
tires, driver inexperience etc.
My point was, I do have a lot of experience with this, but in no way am I
proclaiming to be an expert. Just relating real world experience. A lot of
it.
By the way:
I hear, that if you mix and match a Bridgestone, with a Cooper, and a
Michelin with a Goodyear, and drive the car backwards, you'll hear Molly
Hatchet playing "Flirtin' With Disaster".
I sure as heck wouldn't want to do that.
Spdloader
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncM1Zq4vbBXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> I forgot to add,
>>
>> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>> tires have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I do sincerely hope you are not proposing that the typically governmental
> asinine legal standards used for determinine a worn out tire are at all
> applicable to how dangerous the handling can be on mismatched tires. Or
> whether mismatched tires on the same axle would potentially void a
> warranty due to owner abuse and failure to pay attention.
>
>>
>> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>> vehicle code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Again, so what is your point? Ever pull a vehicle out of the ditch
> because some doofus thought thoas standards were good enough and was
> running around with mismatched tires and discovered why serious drivers
> refuse to consider the concept?
>
>
>
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>>
>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>drive after reading some of these replies.
>>>
>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>
>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>that big a deal.
>>>
>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
>>>making this up.
>>>
>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
>>>
>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>
>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.google groups.com...
>>>
>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>
>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>
>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>all wrong.
>>>>
>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
#150
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
I will say this again Lon,
I said "WILDLY Different tires".
I said I was pointing out the differences between the US and Canada when I
mentioned the 3/32 tread depth. I WAS NOT saying I support it.
Yes I have pulled people out of ditches with thin tire tread, but the tread
didn't CAUSE the accident, driving too fast for conditions DID. Conditions
being : speed, curve, low pressure tires, wet roadway, not enough tread on
tires, driver inexperience etc.
My point was, I do have a lot of experience with this, but in no way am I
proclaiming to be an expert. Just relating real world experience. A lot of
it.
By the way:
I hear, that if you mix and match a Bridgestone, with a Cooper, and a
Michelin with a Goodyear, and drive the car backwards, you'll hear Molly
Hatchet playing "Flirtin' With Disaster".
I sure as heck wouldn't want to do that.
Spdloader
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncM1Zq4vbBXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> I forgot to add,
>>
>> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>> tires have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I do sincerely hope you are not proposing that the typically governmental
> asinine legal standards used for determinine a worn out tire are at all
> applicable to how dangerous the handling can be on mismatched tires. Or
> whether mismatched tires on the same axle would potentially void a
> warranty due to owner abuse and failure to pay attention.
>
>>
>> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>> vehicle code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Again, so what is your point? Ever pull a vehicle out of the ditch
> because some doofus thought thoas standards were good enough and was
> running around with mismatched tires and discovered why serious drivers
> refuse to consider the concept?
>
>
>
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>>
>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>drive after reading some of these replies.
>>>
>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>
>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>that big a deal.
>>>
>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
>>>making this up.
>>>
>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
>>>
>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>
>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.google groups.com...
>>>
>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>
>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>
>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>all wrong.
>>>>
>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
I said "WILDLY Different tires".
I said I was pointing out the differences between the US and Canada when I
mentioned the 3/32 tread depth. I WAS NOT saying I support it.
Yes I have pulled people out of ditches with thin tire tread, but the tread
didn't CAUSE the accident, driving too fast for conditions DID. Conditions
being : speed, curve, low pressure tires, wet roadway, not enough tread on
tires, driver inexperience etc.
My point was, I do have a lot of experience with this, but in no way am I
proclaiming to be an expert. Just relating real world experience. A lot of
it.
By the way:
I hear, that if you mix and match a Bridgestone, with a Cooper, and a
Michelin with a Goodyear, and drive the car backwards, you'll hear Molly
Hatchet playing "Flirtin' With Disaster".
I sure as heck wouldn't want to do that.
Spdloader
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncM1Zq4vbBXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> I forgot to add,
>>
>> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>> tires have at least 3/32 of tread.
>
> I do sincerely hope you are not proposing that the typically governmental
> asinine legal standards used for determinine a worn out tire are at all
> applicable to how dangerous the handling can be on mismatched tires. Or
> whether mismatched tires on the same axle would potentially void a
> warranty due to owner abuse and failure to pay attention.
>
>>
>> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>> vehicle code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>
> Again, so what is your point? Ever pull a vehicle out of the ditch
> because some doofus thought thoas standards were good enough and was
> running around with mismatched tires and discovered why serious drivers
> refuse to consider the concept?
>
>
>
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>>
>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>drive after reading some of these replies.
>>>
>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if you
>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>
>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>that big a deal.
>>>
>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not just
>>>making this up.
>>>
>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to you.
>>>
>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>
>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.google groups.com...
>>>
>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>
>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>
>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>all wrong.
>>>>
>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>