Mismatched tire brands
#131
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
Spdloader proclaimed:
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>
>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>wrong.
>>
>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>
>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>
>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>
>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I forgot to add,
>>>
>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>tires
>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>
>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>vehicle
>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>
>>>Later,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.r r.com...
>>>
>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>drive
>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>
>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>you
>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>
>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>that
>>>>big a deal.
>>>>
>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>just
>>>>making this up.
>>>>
>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>
>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googl egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>to
>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>drive
>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>
>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>
>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>wrong.
>>
>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>
>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>
>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>
>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I forgot to add,
>>>
>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>tires
>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>
>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>vehicle
>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>
>>>Later,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.r r.com...
>>>
>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>drive
>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>
>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>you
>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>
>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>that
>>>>big a deal.
>>>>
>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>just
>>>>making this up.
>>>>
>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>
>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googl egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>to
>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>drive
>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>
>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
#132
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
Spdloader proclaimed:
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>
>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>wrong.
>>
>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>
>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>
>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>
>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I forgot to add,
>>>
>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>tires
>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>
>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>vehicle
>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>
>>>Later,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.r r.com...
>>>
>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>drive
>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>
>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>you
>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>
>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>that
>>>>big a deal.
>>>>
>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>just
>>>>making this up.
>>>>
>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>
>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googl egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>to
>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>drive
>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>
>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>
>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>wrong.
>>
>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>
>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>
>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>
>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I forgot to add,
>>>
>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>tires
>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>
>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>vehicle
>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>
>>>Later,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.r r.com...
>>>
>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>drive
>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>
>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>you
>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>
>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>that
>>>>big a deal.
>>>>
>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>just
>>>>making this up.
>>>>
>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>
>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googl egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>to
>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>drive
>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>
>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
#133
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
Spdloader proclaimed:
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>
>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>wrong.
>>
>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>
>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>
>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>
>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I forgot to add,
>>>
>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>tires
>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>
>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>vehicle
>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>
>>>Later,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.r r.com...
>>>
>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>drive
>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>
>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>you
>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>
>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>that
>>>>big a deal.
>>>>
>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>just
>>>>making this up.
>>>>
>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>
>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googl egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>to
>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>drive
>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>
>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>
>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>wrong.
>>
>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>
>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>
>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>
>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I forgot to add,
>>>
>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>tires
>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>
>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>vehicle
>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>
>>>Later,
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.r r.com...
>>>
>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>drive
>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>
>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>you
>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>
>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>that
>>>>big a deal.
>>>>
>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>just
>>>>making this up.
>>>>
>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>
>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googl egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>to
>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>drive
>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>
>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
I'd say you have zero chance of being on a jury if you are much of an
expert on anything. Folks with backgrounds in troubleshooting and
reliability theory seem to be especially unwelcome to both sides.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And there's no way you may be seated on a jury if you were an
> expert on tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>>It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
>>couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
>>people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
>>matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
>>jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
>>equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
>>properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
>>tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>>
>>Earle
expert on anything. Folks with backgrounds in troubleshooting and
reliability theory seem to be especially unwelcome to both sides.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And there's no way you may be seated on a jury if you were an
> expert on tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>>It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
>>couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
>>people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
>>matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
>>jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
>>equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
>>properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
>>tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>>
>>Earle
#135
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
I'd say you have zero chance of being on a jury if you are much of an
expert on anything. Folks with backgrounds in troubleshooting and
reliability theory seem to be especially unwelcome to both sides.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And there's no way you may be seated on a jury if you were an
> expert on tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>>It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
>>couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
>>people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
>>matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
>>jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
>>equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
>>properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
>>tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>>
>>Earle
expert on anything. Folks with backgrounds in troubleshooting and
reliability theory seem to be especially unwelcome to both sides.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And there's no way you may be seated on a jury if you were an
> expert on tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>>It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
>>couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
>>people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
>>matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
>>jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
>>equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
>>properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
>>tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>>
>>Earle
#136
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
I'd say you have zero chance of being on a jury if you are much of an
expert on anything. Folks with backgrounds in troubleshooting and
reliability theory seem to be especially unwelcome to both sides.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And there's no way you may be seated on a jury if you were an
> expert on tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>>It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
>>couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
>>people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
>>matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
>>jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
>>equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
>>properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
>>tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>>
>>Earle
expert on anything. Folks with backgrounds in troubleshooting and
reliability theory seem to be especially unwelcome to both sides.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And there's no way you may be seated on a jury if you were an
> expert on tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>>It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
>>couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
>>people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
>>matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
>>jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
>>equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
>>properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
>>tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>>
>>Earle
#137
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
and one new one (the spare)?
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> (Sorry this is so long)
>>
>> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>> mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>> in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>> trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>> tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>> out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>> owner.
>
> Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
> tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
> skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
> on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
> sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
>>
>> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>> killed or maimed on one.
>>
>> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>> weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>> front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>> The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>> right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>> problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>
>> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>> of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>
>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>> in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>> didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>> maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>> on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>> road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Spdloader
>> C. Tracy Bryson
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>
>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>
>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>
>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>
>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>
>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>
>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>tires
>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>
>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>vehicle
>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>
>>>>Later,
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast. rr.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>drive
>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>you
>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>
>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>that
>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>just
>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goog legroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
and one new one (the spare)?
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> (Sorry this is so long)
>>
>> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>> mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>> in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>> trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>> tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>> out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>> owner.
>
> Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
> tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
> skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
> on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
> sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
>>
>> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>> killed or maimed on one.
>>
>> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>> weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>> front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>> The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>> right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>> problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>
>> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>> of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>
>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>> in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>> didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>> maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>> on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>> road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Spdloader
>> C. Tracy Bryson
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>
>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>
>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>
>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>
>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>
>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>
>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>tires
>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>
>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>vehicle
>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>
>>>>Later,
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast. rr.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>drive
>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>you
>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>
>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>that
>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>just
>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goog legroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
and one new one (the spare)?
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> (Sorry this is so long)
>>
>> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>> mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>> in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>> trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>> tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>> out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>> owner.
>
> Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
> tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
> skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
> on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
> sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
>>
>> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>> killed or maimed on one.
>>
>> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>> weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>> front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>> The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>> right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>> problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>
>> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>> of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>
>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>> in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>> didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>> maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>> on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>> road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Spdloader
>> C. Tracy Bryson
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>
>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>
>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>
>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>
>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>
>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>
>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>tires
>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>
>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>vehicle
>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>
>>>>Later,
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast. rr.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>drive
>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>you
>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>
>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>that
>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>just
>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goog legroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
and one new one (the spare)?
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> (Sorry this is so long)
>>
>> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>> mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>> in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>> trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>> tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>> out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>> owner.
>
> Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
> tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
> skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
> on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
> sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
>>
>> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>> killed or maimed on one.
>>
>> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>> weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>> front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>> The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>> right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>> problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>
>> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>> of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>
>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>> in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>> didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>> maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>> on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>> road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Spdloader
>> C. Tracy Bryson
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>
>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>
>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>
>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>
>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>
>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>
>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>tires
>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>
>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>vehicle
>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>
>>>>Later,
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast. rr.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>drive
>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>you
>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>
>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>that
>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>just
>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goog legroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
#139
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
and one new one (the spare)?
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> (Sorry this is so long)
>>
>> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>> mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>> in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>> trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>> tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>> out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>> owner.
>
> Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
> tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
> skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
> on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
> sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
>>
>> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>> killed or maimed on one.
>>
>> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>> weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>> front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>> The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>> right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>> problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>
>> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>> of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>
>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>> in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>> didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>> maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>> on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>> road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Spdloader
>> C. Tracy Bryson
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>
>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>
>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>
>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>
>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>
>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>
>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>tires
>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>
>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>vehicle
>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>
>>>>Later,
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast. rr.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>drive
>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>you
>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>
>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>that
>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>just
>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goog legroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
and one new one (the spare)?
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McWdncI1Zq76bxXenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Spdloader proclaimed:
>
>> (Sorry this is so long)
>>
>> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
>> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for
>> mixed tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
>> in law enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
>> trainer as well. I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald
>> tires on ice a couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew
>> out a couple of times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the
>> owner.
>
> Thats pretty odd. I've personally witnessed the results of mismatched
> tire brands combined with a bit of driver misjudgement and poor driving
> skills. Tends to spin out pretty much every time. Granted that driving
> on mismatched tires or even unmatched inflation pressures is a definite
> sign of poor driver skills in the venues I learned from.
>
>>
>> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
>> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
>> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
>> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
>> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
>> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
>> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
>> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
>> killed or maimed on one.
>>
>> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
>> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
>> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle
>> weighs much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> acceleration because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>> front end due to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance.
>> The rear tires will take the path of least resistance, to the left or
>> right of the front end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary
>> problems, but won't CAUSE the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>>
>> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws
>> of gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>>
>> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon
>> in a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires
>> didn't cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
>> maintain adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
>> on front to rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction,
>> road conditions and driver ability all playing a part.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Spdloader
>> C. Tracy Bryson
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>>
>>>Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any old brand
>>>as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>>>
>>>Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is just plain
>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and goodyears of the
>>>same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the ditch on
>>>the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>>>
>>>That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with tires.
>>>
>>>There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking why his
>>>wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any acceleration.
>>>
>>>If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>
>>>>I forgot to add,
>>>>
>>>>During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
>>>>states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
>>>>tires
>>>>have at least 3/32 of tread.
>>>>
>>>>I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
>>>>vehicle
>>>>code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>>>>
>>>>Later,
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader
>>>>
>>>>"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast. rr.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
>>>>>drive
>>>>>after reading some of these replies.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>>>>>you
>>>>>can't, match them per axle.
>>>>>
>>>>>NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>>>>>different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
>>>>>characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
>>>>>front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
>>>>>that
>>>>>big a deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
>>>>>just
>>>>>making this up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because of
>>>>>the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
>>>>>everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
>>>>>effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
>>>>>size tires from front to rear.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
>>>>>oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
>>>>>something other than "doomsday" advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.goog legroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
>>>>>>tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
>>>>>>same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
>>>>>>dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
>>>>>>vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
>>>>>>the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
>>>>>>afraid of liability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
>>>>>>never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
>>>>>>Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
>>>>>>adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>>>>>>Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
>>>>>>and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
>>>>>>all wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
>>>>>>caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
>>>>>>accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
>>>>>>this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
>>>>>>time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
>>>>>>just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
>>>>>>new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
#140
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
LOL I use to drive to school in a twenty dollar car on twenty five
cent used tires from the dump, tell me about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg Those are Mickey Mouse white
walls.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?
cent used tires from the dump, tell me about it:
http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg Those are Mickey Mouse white
walls.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Is this mis-matching, in your experience, where you have 3 worn (bald) tires
> and one new one (the spare)?