Mismatched tire brands
11-26-2005, 05:12 PM
#111
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
Kalifornia, "-tires same size. —tires same type"
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/sec10_a.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Spdloader wrote:
>
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/sec10_a.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Spdloader wrote:
>
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
11-26-2005, 05:12 PM
#112
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
Kalifornia, "-tires same size. —tires same type"
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/sec10_a.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Spdloader wrote:
>
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/sec10_a.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Spdloader wrote:
>
> (Sorry this is so long)
>
> No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the legal
> differences between the US and someone who said you can go to jail for mixed
> tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years in law
> enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation trainer as well.
> I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on ice a
> couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a couple of
> times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>
> Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some of the
> responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that other than
> with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout due to
> heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause and
> accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle IN an
> accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to make a
> point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they ALWAYS know
> someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone who was
> killed or maimed on one.
>
> Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but disagree
> that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can cause
> fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that vehicle weighs
> much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on acceleration
> because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the front end due
> to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The rear tires
> will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of the front
> end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but won't CAUSE
> the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>
> Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but the laws of
> gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>
> I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your Pontiac Wagon in
> a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The tires didn't
> cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to maintain
> adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going on front to
> rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road conditions
> and driver ability all playing a part.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Spdloader
> C. Tracy Bryson
11-26-2005, 05:15 PM
#113
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
And there's no way you may be seated on a jury if you were an
expert on tires.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
> couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
> people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
> matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
> jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
> equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
> properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
> tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>
> Earle
expert on tires.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
> couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
> people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
> matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
> jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
> equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
> properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
> tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>
> Earle
11-26-2005, 05:15 PM
#114
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
And there's no way you may be seated on a jury if you were an
expert on tires.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
> couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
> people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
> matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
> jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
> equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
> properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
> tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>
> Earle
expert on tires.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
> couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
> people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
> matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
> jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
> equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
> properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
> tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>
> Earle
11-26-2005, 05:15 PM
#115
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
And there's no way you may be seated on a jury if you were an
expert on tires.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
> couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
> people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
> matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
> jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
> equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
> properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
> tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>
> Earle
expert on tires.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet you
> couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of twelve
> people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars, whether they
> matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a potential
> jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent defective
> equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or less
> properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for mismatched
> tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>
> Earle
11-26-2005, 05:21 PM
#116
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Re: Mismatched tire brands
I caught hell one time, for replacing a bunch of drums on Clarke County, VA,
school buses, just because they were worn past the diameter cast on the rim.
Once I explained why I did it, the county paid.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4388DB9C.BEF15D71@***.net...
> Unless it's a school bus in Kalifornia where they may drive on bald
> tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to add,
> >
> > During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> > states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
tires
> > have at least 3/32 of tread.
> >
> > I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
vehicle
> > code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
drive
> > > after reading some of these replies.
> > >
> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
you
> > > can't, match them per axle.
> > >
> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
that
> > > big a deal.
> > >
> > > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
just
> > > making this up.
> > >
> > > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
of
> > > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
you.
> > >
> > > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > > size tires from front to rear.
> > >
> > > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> > >
> > > Spdloader
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> > >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> > >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> > >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
to
> > >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> > >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> > >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> > >> afraid of liability.
> > >>
> > >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> > >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> > >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
drive
> > >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> > >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> > >>
> > >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> > >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> > >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> > >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> > >> all wrong.
> > >>
> > >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> > >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> > >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> > >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> > >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> > >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> > >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> > >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
school buses, just because they were worn past the diameter cast on the rim.
Once I explained why I did it, the county paid.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4388DB9C.BEF15D71@***.net...
> Unless it's a school bus in Kalifornia where they may drive on bald
> tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to add,
> >
> > During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> > states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
tires
> > have at least 3/32 of tread.
> >
> > I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
vehicle
> > code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
drive
> > > after reading some of these replies.
> > >
> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
you
> > > can't, match them per axle.
> > >
> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
that
> > > big a deal.
> > >
> > > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
just
> > > making this up.
> > >
> > > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
of
> > > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
you.
> > >
> > > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > > size tires from front to rear.
> > >
> > > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> > >
> > > Spdloader
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> > >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> > >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> > >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
to
> > >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> > >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> > >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> > >> afraid of liability.
> > >>
> > >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> > >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> > >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
drive
> > >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> > >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> > >>
> > >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> > >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> > >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> > >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> > >> all wrong.
> > >>
> > >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> > >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> > >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> > >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> > >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> > >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> > >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> > >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
11-26-2005, 05:21 PM
#117
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
I caught hell one time, for replacing a bunch of drums on Clarke County, VA,
school buses, just because they were worn past the diameter cast on the rim.
Once I explained why I did it, the county paid.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4388DB9C.BEF15D71@***.net...
> Unless it's a school bus in Kalifornia where they may drive on bald
> tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to add,
> >
> > During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> > states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
tires
> > have at least 3/32 of tread.
> >
> > I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
vehicle
> > code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
drive
> > > after reading some of these replies.
> > >
> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
you
> > > can't, match them per axle.
> > >
> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
that
> > > big a deal.
> > >
> > > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
just
> > > making this up.
> > >
> > > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
of
> > > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
you.
> > >
> > > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > > size tires from front to rear.
> > >
> > > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> > >
> > > Spdloader
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> > >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> > >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> > >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
to
> > >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> > >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> > >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> > >> afraid of liability.
> > >>
> > >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> > >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> > >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
drive
> > >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> > >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> > >>
> > >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> > >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> > >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> > >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> > >> all wrong.
> > >>
> > >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> > >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> > >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> > >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> > >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> > >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> > >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> > >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
school buses, just because they were worn past the diameter cast on the rim.
Once I explained why I did it, the county paid.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4388DB9C.BEF15D71@***.net...
> Unless it's a school bus in Kalifornia where they may drive on bald
> tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to add,
> >
> > During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> > states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
tires
> > have at least 3/32 of tread.
> >
> > I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
vehicle
> > code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
drive
> > > after reading some of these replies.
> > >
> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
you
> > > can't, match them per axle.
> > >
> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
that
> > > big a deal.
> > >
> > > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
just
> > > making this up.
> > >
> > > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
of
> > > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
you.
> > >
> > > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > > size tires from front to rear.
> > >
> > > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> > >
> > > Spdloader
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> > >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> > >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> > >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
to
> > >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> > >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> > >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> > >> afraid of liability.
> > >>
> > >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> > >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> > >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
drive
> > >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> > >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> > >>
> > >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> > >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> > >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> > >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> > >> all wrong.
> > >>
> > >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> > >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> > >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> > >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> > >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> > >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> > >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> > >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
11-26-2005, 05:21 PM
#118
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
I caught hell one time, for replacing a bunch of drums on Clarke County, VA,
school buses, just because they were worn past the diameter cast on the rim.
Once I explained why I did it, the county paid.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4388DB9C.BEF15D71@***.net...
> Unless it's a school bus in Kalifornia where they may drive on bald
> tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to add,
> >
> > During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> > states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
tires
> > have at least 3/32 of tread.
> >
> > I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
vehicle
> > code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
drive
> > > after reading some of these replies.
> > >
> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
you
> > > can't, match them per axle.
> > >
> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
that
> > > big a deal.
> > >
> > > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
just
> > > making this up.
> > >
> > > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
of
> > > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
you.
> > >
> > > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > > size tires from front to rear.
> > >
> > > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> > >
> > > Spdloader
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> > >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> > >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> > >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
to
> > >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> > >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> > >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> > >> afraid of liability.
> > >>
> > >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> > >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> > >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
drive
> > >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> > >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> > >>
> > >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> > >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> > >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> > >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> > >> all wrong.
> > >>
> > >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> > >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> > >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> > >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> > >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> > >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> > >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> > >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
school buses, just because they were worn past the diameter cast on the rim.
Once I explained why I did it, the county paid.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4388DB9C.BEF15D71@***.net...
> Unless it's a school bus in Kalifornia where they may drive on bald
> tires.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to add,
> >
> > During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect vehicles in two
> > states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made is that
tires
> > have at least 3/32 of tread.
> >
> > I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the Motor
vehicle
> > code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death to
drive
> > > after reading some of these replies.
> > >
> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
you
> > > can't, match them per axle.
> > >
> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd handling
> > > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if it's on the
> > > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires, it's not
that
> > > big a deal.
> > >
> > > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years. I'm not
just
> > > making this up.
> > >
> > > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets, because
of
> > > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now, for
> > > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to happen to
you.
> > >
> > > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc with no ill
> > > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with different
> > > size tires from front to rear.
> > >
> > > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I don't run
> > > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted you to hear
> > > something other than "doomsday" advice.
> > >
> > > Spdloader
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> > >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> > >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> > >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
to
> > >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> > >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> > >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> > >> afraid of liability.
> > >>
> > >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> > >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> > >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel
drive
> > >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> > >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
> > >>
> > >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> > >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> > >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> > >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> > >> all wrong.
> > >>
> > >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> > >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> > >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> > >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> > >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> > >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> > >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> > >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
11-26-2005, 05:26 PM
#119
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:htWdnfax-5UpLRXeRVn-hA@speakeasy.net...
> I think it's important to appreciate just how "mismatched" these can be.
> Two tires of the same type worn as slightly different rates aren't the
> same
> as putting two entirely different sizes (width and/or height) on there.
Agree. If you are doing five tyre rotation, you will have a ever so
marginal mismatch between the tyres (for tread depth).
> But if you're in a ligitation-happy situation who'd buy them? And what
> liability could you get stuck with since you knowingly sold them to
> someone
> because you knew they couldn't be used "properly"?
There are many reasons people would buy them. For example, I might have
blown my BFG Mud of a particular size on the trail and wanted only one
replacement. The seller might be moving to a diferent size or make. The
carcass can also be used for re-treadign. Luckily New Zealanders are not
trigger happy with litigation.
As a last re-sort, some people have trucks which are for farm use only or
are dedicated off-roaders (i.e. not allowed/registered to be driven on
public roads). They are a good market for selling used tyres to.
TW
news:htWdnfax-5UpLRXeRVn-hA@speakeasy.net...
> I think it's important to appreciate just how "mismatched" these can be.
> Two tires of the same type worn as slightly different rates aren't the
> same
> as putting two entirely different sizes (width and/or height) on there.
Agree. If you are doing five tyre rotation, you will have a ever so
marginal mismatch between the tyres (for tread depth).
> But if you're in a ligitation-happy situation who'd buy them? And what
> liability could you get stuck with since you knowingly sold them to
> someone
> because you knew they couldn't be used "properly"?
There are many reasons people would buy them. For example, I might have
blown my BFG Mud of a particular size on the trail and wanted only one
replacement. The seller might be moving to a diferent size or make. The
carcass can also be used for re-treadign. Luckily New Zealanders are not
trigger happy with litigation.
As a last re-sort, some people have trucks which are for farm use only or
are dedicated off-roaders (i.e. not allowed/registered to be driven on
public roads). They are a good market for selling used tyres to.
TW
11-26-2005, 05:26 PM
#120
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Mismatched tire brands
"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:htWdnfax-5UpLRXeRVn-hA@speakeasy.net...
> I think it's important to appreciate just how "mismatched" these can be.
> Two tires of the same type worn as slightly different rates aren't the
> same
> as putting two entirely different sizes (width and/or height) on there.
Agree. If you are doing five tyre rotation, you will have a ever so
marginal mismatch between the tyres (for tread depth).
> But if you're in a ligitation-happy situation who'd buy them? And what
> liability could you get stuck with since you knowingly sold them to
> someone
> because you knew they couldn't be used "properly"?
There are many reasons people would buy them. For example, I might have
blown my BFG Mud of a particular size on the trail and wanted only one
replacement. The seller might be moving to a diferent size or make. The
carcass can also be used for re-treadign. Luckily New Zealanders are not
trigger happy with litigation.
As a last re-sort, some people have trucks which are for farm use only or
are dedicated off-roaders (i.e. not allowed/registered to be driven on
public roads). They are a good market for selling used tyres to.
TW
news:htWdnfax-5UpLRXeRVn-hA@speakeasy.net...
> I think it's important to appreciate just how "mismatched" these can be.
> Two tires of the same type worn as slightly different rates aren't the
> same
> as putting two entirely different sizes (width and/or height) on there.
Agree. If you are doing five tyre rotation, you will have a ever so
marginal mismatch between the tyres (for tread depth).
> But if you're in a ligitation-happy situation who'd buy them? And what
> liability could you get stuck with since you knowingly sold them to
> someone
> because you knew they couldn't be used "properly"?
There are many reasons people would buy them. For example, I might have
blown my BFG Mud of a particular size on the trail and wanted only one
replacement. The seller might be moving to a diferent size or make. The
carcass can also be used for re-treadign. Luckily New Zealanders are not
trigger happy with litigation.
As a last re-sort, some people have trucks which are for farm use only or
are dedicated off-roaders (i.e. not allowed/registered to be driven on
public roads). They are a good market for selling used tyres to.
TW