Jeep Realiability
10-03-2003, 08:21 PM
#61
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Re: Jeep Realiability
Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in Dumfries,
but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
> : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
able
> to
> : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
it'll
> : start every time!
> :
> : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
they
> : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
> : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
> electrolytic
> : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
are
> : crap
> : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
> : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
> : hand
> : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
> days
> : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
> : with
> : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When
a
> : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
> wrong
> : !
> : >
> : > --
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
> : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
> : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
> : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some
of
> : the
> : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
> years,
> : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
> : > electrical
> : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
broken
> : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
> : > engineer,
> : > : he got hired at Rover!
> : > :
> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
> : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
> : > : > :
> : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
(Daily
> : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
> index"
> : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
> : > average
> : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
and
> a
> : > 16%
> : > : > : failure rate.
> : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
> failure
> : > : rate
> : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
> failure
> : > : rate)
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Right down at the other end..
> : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and
a
> : 44%
> : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
and
> a
> : > 21%
> : > : > : repair bill
> : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
> : > average
> : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> : > : > :
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
> : > highest
> : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
> : wonder
> : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
> sense.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Gyp
> : > : > :
> : > : > : --
> : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
> : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
> : > : > : --
> : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
> : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
> : > : > :
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
> : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
able
> to
> : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
it'll
> : start every time!
> :
> : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
they
> : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
> : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
> electrolytic
> : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
are
> : crap
> : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
> : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
> : hand
> : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
> days
> : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
> : with
> : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When
a
> : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
> wrong
> : !
> : >
> : > --
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
> : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
> : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
> : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some
of
> : the
> : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
> years,
> : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
> : > electrical
> : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
broken
> : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
> : > engineer,
> : > : he got hired at Rover!
> : > :
> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
> : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
> : > : > :
> : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
(Daily
> : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
> index"
> : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
> : > average
> : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
and
> a
> : > 16%
> : > : > : failure rate.
> : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
> failure
> : > : rate
> : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
> failure
> : > : rate)
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Right down at the other end..
> : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and
a
> : 44%
> : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
and
> a
> : > 21%
> : > : > : repair bill
> : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
> : > average
> : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> : > : > :
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
> : > highest
> : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
> : wonder
> : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
> sense.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Gyp
> : > : > :
> : > : > : --
> : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
> : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
> : > : > : --
> : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
> : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
> : > : > :
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
10-03-2003, 08:23 PM
#62
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Re: Jeep Realiability
A fine assessment of the current Jaguar state of affairs. I'm told they'll
base all future Jaguars on dedicated platforms, as the Ford parts-bin
leveraged S & X Types are now certified flops. Hey, we told em, but would
they listen....???)
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:BWlfb.8200$S27.68142281@news-text.cableinet.net...
> My pal has an X type which I have been in quite a few times; it is heaps
> better than a Mondeo, and overall, not a bad car. On the other hand, it
> isn't my idea of a Jag. I don't think it will pull the brand down too
much.
>
> The S type, I gather, is competent, but it is sooo ugly and has an **** on
> it like a fat lady. [ cue Mr Serusa - all Jags are lovely, some more than
> others ;) ]. I'm not surprised people aren't buying it.
>
> The XK8 is my favourite - the car that would have trashed its traditional
> rival Aston Martin, had it not been now owned by the same owners, and, em,
> looked fairly similar !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnn54f5thbhnf3@corp.supernews.com...
> : Actually, it's based upon the European Mondeo (Contour over here) and
> hasn't
> : been well received by either the Jaguar faithful, the press or the
public.
> : It's another one of ex Ford CEO Jac Nasser's decisions that were forced
on
> : everyone. Those with any knowledge of the business knew it would fail.
> It'll
> : take them ten years to undo the damage done to the brand.
> :
> : "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> : news:3F7B78AE.7EEC2438@***.net...
> : > I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
> : > Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
> : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> : > >
> : > > Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
> : able to
> : > > buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
> : it'll
> : > > start every time!
> : > >
> : > > What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> :
> :
>
>
base all future Jaguars on dedicated platforms, as the Ford parts-bin
leveraged S & X Types are now certified flops. Hey, we told em, but would
they listen....???)
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:BWlfb.8200$S27.68142281@news-text.cableinet.net...
> My pal has an X type which I have been in quite a few times; it is heaps
> better than a Mondeo, and overall, not a bad car. On the other hand, it
> isn't my idea of a Jag. I don't think it will pull the brand down too
much.
>
> The S type, I gather, is competent, but it is sooo ugly and has an **** on
> it like a fat lady. [ cue Mr Serusa - all Jags are lovely, some more than
> others ;) ]. I'm not surprised people aren't buying it.
>
> The XK8 is my favourite - the car that would have trashed its traditional
> rival Aston Martin, had it not been now owned by the same owners, and, em,
> looked fairly similar !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnn54f5thbhnf3@corp.supernews.com...
> : Actually, it's based upon the European Mondeo (Contour over here) and
> hasn't
> : been well received by either the Jaguar faithful, the press or the
public.
> : It's another one of ex Ford CEO Jac Nasser's decisions that were forced
on
> : everyone. Those with any knowledge of the business knew it would fail.
> It'll
> : take them ten years to undo the damage done to the brand.
> :
> : "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> : news:3F7B78AE.7EEC2438@***.net...
> : > I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
> : > Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
> : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> : > >
> : > > Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
> : able to
> : > > buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
> : it'll
> : > > start every time!
> : > >
> : > > What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> :
> :
>
>
10-03-2003, 08:23 PM
#63
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Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Realiability
A fine assessment of the current Jaguar state of affairs. I'm told they'll
base all future Jaguars on dedicated platforms, as the Ford parts-bin
leveraged S & X Types are now certified flops. Hey, we told em, but would
they listen....???)
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:BWlfb.8200$S27.68142281@news-text.cableinet.net...
> My pal has an X type which I have been in quite a few times; it is heaps
> better than a Mondeo, and overall, not a bad car. On the other hand, it
> isn't my idea of a Jag. I don't think it will pull the brand down too
much.
>
> The S type, I gather, is competent, but it is sooo ugly and has an **** on
> it like a fat lady. [ cue Mr Serusa - all Jags are lovely, some more than
> others ;) ]. I'm not surprised people aren't buying it.
>
> The XK8 is my favourite - the car that would have trashed its traditional
> rival Aston Martin, had it not been now owned by the same owners, and, em,
> looked fairly similar !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnn54f5thbhnf3@corp.supernews.com...
> : Actually, it's based upon the European Mondeo (Contour over here) and
> hasn't
> : been well received by either the Jaguar faithful, the press or the
public.
> : It's another one of ex Ford CEO Jac Nasser's decisions that were forced
on
> : everyone. Those with any knowledge of the business knew it would fail.
> It'll
> : take them ten years to undo the damage done to the brand.
> :
> : "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> : news:3F7B78AE.7EEC2438@***.net...
> : > I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
> : > Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
> : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> : > >
> : > > Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
> : able to
> : > > buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
> : it'll
> : > > start every time!
> : > >
> : > > What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> :
> :
>
>
base all future Jaguars on dedicated platforms, as the Ford parts-bin
leveraged S & X Types are now certified flops. Hey, we told em, but would
they listen....???)
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:BWlfb.8200$S27.68142281@news-text.cableinet.net...
> My pal has an X type which I have been in quite a few times; it is heaps
> better than a Mondeo, and overall, not a bad car. On the other hand, it
> isn't my idea of a Jag. I don't think it will pull the brand down too
much.
>
> The S type, I gather, is competent, but it is sooo ugly and has an **** on
> it like a fat lady. [ cue Mr Serusa - all Jags are lovely, some more than
> others ;) ]. I'm not surprised people aren't buying it.
>
> The XK8 is my favourite - the car that would have trashed its traditional
> rival Aston Martin, had it not been now owned by the same owners, and, em,
> looked fairly similar !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnn54f5thbhnf3@corp.supernews.com...
> : Actually, it's based upon the European Mondeo (Contour over here) and
> hasn't
> : been well received by either the Jaguar faithful, the press or the
public.
> : It's another one of ex Ford CEO Jac Nasser's decisions that were forced
on
> : everyone. Those with any knowledge of the business knew it would fail.
> It'll
> : take them ten years to undo the damage done to the brand.
> :
> : "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> : news:3F7B78AE.7EEC2438@***.net...
> : > I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
> : > Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
> : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> : > >
> : > > Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
> : able to
> : > > buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
> : it'll
> : > > start every time!
> : > >
> : > > What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> :
> :
>
>
10-03-2003, 08:23 PM
#64
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Realiability
A fine assessment of the current Jaguar state of affairs. I'm told they'll
base all future Jaguars on dedicated platforms, as the Ford parts-bin
leveraged S & X Types are now certified flops. Hey, we told em, but would
they listen....???)
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:BWlfb.8200$S27.68142281@news-text.cableinet.net...
> My pal has an X type which I have been in quite a few times; it is heaps
> better than a Mondeo, and overall, not a bad car. On the other hand, it
> isn't my idea of a Jag. I don't think it will pull the brand down too
much.
>
> The S type, I gather, is competent, but it is sooo ugly and has an **** on
> it like a fat lady. [ cue Mr Serusa - all Jags are lovely, some more than
> others ;) ]. I'm not surprised people aren't buying it.
>
> The XK8 is my favourite - the car that would have trashed its traditional
> rival Aston Martin, had it not been now owned by the same owners, and, em,
> looked fairly similar !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnn54f5thbhnf3@corp.supernews.com...
> : Actually, it's based upon the European Mondeo (Contour over here) and
> hasn't
> : been well received by either the Jaguar faithful, the press or the
public.
> : It's another one of ex Ford CEO Jac Nasser's decisions that were forced
on
> : everyone. Those with any knowledge of the business knew it would fail.
> It'll
> : take them ten years to undo the damage done to the brand.
> :
> : "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> : news:3F7B78AE.7EEC2438@***.net...
> : > I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
> : > Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
> : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> : > >
> : > > Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
> : able to
> : > > buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
> : it'll
> : > > start every time!
> : > >
> : > > What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> :
> :
>
>
base all future Jaguars on dedicated platforms, as the Ford parts-bin
leveraged S & X Types are now certified flops. Hey, we told em, but would
they listen....???)
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:BWlfb.8200$S27.68142281@news-text.cableinet.net...
> My pal has an X type which I have been in quite a few times; it is heaps
> better than a Mondeo, and overall, not a bad car. On the other hand, it
> isn't my idea of a Jag. I don't think it will pull the brand down too
much.
>
> The S type, I gather, is competent, but it is sooo ugly and has an **** on
> it like a fat lady. [ cue Mr Serusa - all Jags are lovely, some more than
> others ;) ]. I'm not surprised people aren't buying it.
>
> The XK8 is my favourite - the car that would have trashed its traditional
> rival Aston Martin, had it not been now owned by the same owners, and, em,
> looked fairly similar !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnn54f5thbhnf3@corp.supernews.com...
> : Actually, it's based upon the European Mondeo (Contour over here) and
> hasn't
> : been well received by either the Jaguar faithful, the press or the
public.
> : It's another one of ex Ford CEO Jac Nasser's decisions that were forced
on
> : everyone. Those with any knowledge of the business knew it would fail.
> It'll
> : take them ten years to undo the damage done to the brand.
> :
> : "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> : news:3F7B78AE.7EEC2438@***.net...
> : > I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
> : > Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
> : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> : > >
> : > > Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
> : able to
> : > > buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
> : it'll
> : > > start every time!
> : > >
> : > > What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> :
> :
>
>
10-03-2003, 10:05 PM
#65
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Realiability
In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>,
Gerald G. McGeorge <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in Dumfries,
>but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
Maybe if he would have figured out the proper hole to tap, he would have
gotten married to her. :) Buuuuugggggeration. Hmmmm. If you want to use
these kind of terms, you should first find out what they mean. :-)
>Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
All depends on what orientation you wanna be eh? :)
>
>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>>
>> --
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>
>> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>> : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
>able
>> to
>> : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>it'll
>> : start every time!
>> :
>> : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>> :
>> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
>they
>> : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
>> : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>> electrolytic
>> : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
>are
>> : crap
>> : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
>> : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
>> : hand
>> : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
>> days
>> : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
>> : with
>> : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When
>a
>> : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
>> wrong
>> : !
>> : >
>> : > --
>> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : >
>> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
>> : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
>> : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some
>of
>> : the
>> : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
>> years,
>> : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
>> : > electrical
>> : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>broken
>> : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
>> : > engineer,
>> : > : he got hired at Rover!
>> : > :
>> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
>> : > : >
>> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>(Daily
>> : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
>> index"
>> : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
>and
>> a
>> : > 16%
>> : > : > : failure rate.
>> : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
>> failure
>> : > : rate
>> : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
>> failure
>> : > : rate)
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>> : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and
>a
>> : 44%
>> : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>> : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
>and
>> a
>> : > 21%
>> : > : > : repair bill
>> : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
>> : > highest
>> : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
>> : wonder
>> : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
>> sense.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Gyp
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>> : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>> : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>> : > : > :
>> : > : >
>> : > : >
>> : > :
>> : > :
>> : >
>> : >
>> :
>> :
>>
>>
>
>
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Gerald G. McGeorge <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in Dumfries,
>but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
Maybe if he would have figured out the proper hole to tap, he would have
gotten married to her. :) Buuuuugggggeration. Hmmmm. If you want to use
these kind of terms, you should first find out what they mean. :-)
>Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
All depends on what orientation you wanna be eh? :)
>
>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>>
>> --
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>
>> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>> : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
>able
>> to
>> : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>it'll
>> : start every time!
>> :
>> : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>> :
>> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
>they
>> : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
>> : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>> electrolytic
>> : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
>are
>> : crap
>> : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
>> : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
>> : hand
>> : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
>> days
>> : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
>> : with
>> : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When
>a
>> : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
>> wrong
>> : !
>> : >
>> : > --
>> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : >
>> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
>> : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
>> : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some
>of
>> : the
>> : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
>> years,
>> : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
>> : > electrical
>> : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>broken
>> : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
>> : > engineer,
>> : > : he got hired at Rover!
>> : > :
>> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
>> : > : >
>> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>(Daily
>> : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
>> index"
>> : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
>and
>> a
>> : > 16%
>> : > : > : failure rate.
>> : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
>> failure
>> : > : rate
>> : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
>> failure
>> : > : rate)
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>> : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and
>a
>> : 44%
>> : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>> : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
>and
>> a
>> : > 21%
>> : > : > : repair bill
>> : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
>> : > highest
>> : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
>> : wonder
>> : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
>> sense.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Gyp
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>> : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>> : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>> : > : > :
>> : > : >
>> : > : >
>> : > :
>> : > :
>> : >
>> : >
>> :
>> :
>>
>>
>
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Re: Jeep Realiability
In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>,
Gerald G. McGeorge <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in Dumfries,
>but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
Maybe if he would have figured out the proper hole to tap, he would have
gotten married to her. :) Buuuuugggggeration. Hmmmm. If you want to use
these kind of terms, you should first find out what they mean. :-)
>Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
All depends on what orientation you wanna be eh? :)
>
>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>>
>> --
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>
>> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>> : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
>able
>> to
>> : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>it'll
>> : start every time!
>> :
>> : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>> :
>> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
>they
>> : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
>> : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>> electrolytic
>> : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
>are
>> : crap
>> : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
>> : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
>> : hand
>> : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
>> days
>> : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
>> : with
>> : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When
>a
>> : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
>> wrong
>> : !
>> : >
>> : > --
>> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : >
>> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
>> : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
>> : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some
>of
>> : the
>> : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
>> years,
>> : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
>> : > electrical
>> : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>broken
>> : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
>> : > engineer,
>> : > : he got hired at Rover!
>> : > :
>> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
>> : > : >
>> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>(Daily
>> : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
>> index"
>> : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
>and
>> a
>> : > 16%
>> : > : > : failure rate.
>> : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
>> failure
>> : > : rate
>> : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
>> failure
>> : > : rate)
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>> : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and
>a
>> : 44%
>> : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>> : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
>and
>> a
>> : > 21%
>> : > : > : repair bill
>> : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
>> : > highest
>> : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
>> : wonder
>> : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
>> sense.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Gyp
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>> : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>> : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>> : > : > :
>> : > : >
>> : > : >
>> : > :
>> : > :
>> : >
>> : >
>> :
>> :
>>
>>
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Gerald G. McGeorge <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in Dumfries,
>but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
Maybe if he would have figured out the proper hole to tap, he would have
gotten married to her. :) Buuuuugggggeration. Hmmmm. If you want to use
these kind of terms, you should first find out what they mean. :-)
>Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
All depends on what orientation you wanna be eh? :)
>
>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>>
>> --
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>
>> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>> : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
>able
>> to
>> : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>it'll
>> : start every time!
>> :
>> : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>> :
>> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
>they
>> : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
>> : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>> electrolytic
>> : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
>are
>> : crap
>> : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
>> : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
>> : hand
>> : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
>> days
>> : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
>> : with
>> : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When
>a
>> : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
>> wrong
>> : !
>> : >
>> : > --
>> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : >
>> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
>> : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
>> : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some
>of
>> : the
>> : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
>> years,
>> : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
>> : > electrical
>> : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>broken
>> : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
>> : > engineer,
>> : > : he got hired at Rover!
>> : > :
>> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
>> : > : >
>> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>(Daily
>> : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
>> index"
>> : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
>and
>> a
>> : > 16%
>> : > : > : failure rate.
>> : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
>> failure
>> : > : rate
>> : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
>> failure
>> : > : rate)
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>> : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and
>a
>> : 44%
>> : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>> : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
>and
>> a
>> : > 21%
>> : > : > : repair bill
>> : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
>> : > highest
>> : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
>> : wonder
>> : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
>> sense.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Gyp
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>> : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>> : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>> : > : > :
>> : > : >
>> : > : >
>> : > :
>> : > :
>> : >
>> : >
>> :
>> :
>>
>>
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Re: Jeep Realiability
In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>,
Gerald G. McGeorge <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in Dumfries,
>but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
Maybe if he would have figured out the proper hole to tap, he would have
gotten married to her. :) Buuuuugggggeration. Hmmmm. If you want to use
these kind of terms, you should first find out what they mean. :-)
>Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
All depends on what orientation you wanna be eh? :)
>
>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>>
>> --
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>
>> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>> : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
>able
>> to
>> : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>it'll
>> : start every time!
>> :
>> : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>> :
>> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
>they
>> : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
>> : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>> electrolytic
>> : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
>are
>> : crap
>> : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
>> : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
>> : hand
>> : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
>> days
>> : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
>> : with
>> : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When
>a
>> : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
>> wrong
>> : !
>> : >
>> : > --
>> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : >
>> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
>> : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
>> : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some
>of
>> : the
>> : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
>> years,
>> : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
>> : > electrical
>> : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>broken
>> : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
>> : > engineer,
>> : > : he got hired at Rover!
>> : > :
>> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
>> : > : >
>> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>(Daily
>> : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
>> index"
>> : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
>and
>> a
>> : > 16%
>> : > : > : failure rate.
>> : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
>> failure
>> : > : rate
>> : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
>> failure
>> : > : rate)
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>> : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and
>a
>> : 44%
>> : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>> : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
>and
>> a
>> : > 21%
>> : > : > : repair bill
>> : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
>> : > highest
>> : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
>> : wonder
>> : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
>> sense.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Gyp
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>> : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>> : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>> : > : > :
>> : > : >
>> : > : >
>> : > :
>> : > :
>> : >
>> : >
>> :
>> :
>>
>>
>
>
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Gerald G. McGeorge <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in Dumfries,
>but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
Maybe if he would have figured out the proper hole to tap, he would have
gotten married to her. :) Buuuuugggggeration. Hmmmm. If you want to use
these kind of terms, you should first find out what they mean. :-)
>Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
All depends on what orientation you wanna be eh? :)
>
>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>>
>> --
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>
>> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>> : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
>able
>> to
>> : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>it'll
>> : start every time!
>> :
>> : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>> :
>> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
>they
>> : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
>> : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>> electrolytic
>> : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
>are
>> : crap
>> : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
>> : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
>> : hand
>> : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
>> days
>> : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
>> : with
>> : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When
>a
>> : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
>> wrong
>> : !
>> : >
>> : > --
>> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : >
>> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
>> : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
>> : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some
>of
>> : the
>> : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
>> years,
>> : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
>> : > electrical
>> : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>broken
>> : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
>> : > engineer,
>> : > : he got hired at Rover!
>> : > :
>> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
>> : > : >
>> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>(Daily
>> : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
>> index"
>> : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
>and
>> a
>> : > 16%
>> : > : > : failure rate.
>> : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
>> failure
>> : > : rate
>> : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
>> failure
>> : > : rate)
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>> : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and
>a
>> : 44%
>> : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>> : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
>and
>> a
>> : > 21%
>> : > : > : repair bill
>> : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
>> : > average
>> : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
>> : > highest
>> : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
>> : wonder
>> : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
>> sense.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Gyp
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>> : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>> : > : > : --
>> : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>> : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>> : > : > :
>> : > : >
>> : > : >
>> : > :
>> : > :
>> : >
>> : >
>> :
>> :
>>
>>
>
>
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10-04-2003, 05:15 AM
#68
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Re: Jeep Realiability
Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it would
appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the 400
chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty" decided
that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
allegedly.
As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would be
equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
Dumfries,
: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
:
: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >
: > --
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
: able
: > to
: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: it'll
: > : start every time!
: > :
: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
: they
: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: > electrolytic
: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
: are
: > : crap
: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
Buick
: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
second
: > : hand
: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
two
: > days
: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
owner
: > : with
: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
When
: a
: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
: > wrong
: > : !
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
some
: of
: > : the
: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
: > years,
: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
: > : > electrical
: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: broken
: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
: > : > engineer,
: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: (Daily
: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
: > index"
: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
: and
: > a
: > : > 16%
: > : > : > : failure rate.
: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
: > failure
: > : > : rate
: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
: > failure
: > : > : rate)
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
and
: a
: > : 44%
: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
: and
: > a
: > : > 21%
: > : > : > : repair bill
: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since
the
: > : > highest
: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes
me
: > : wonder
: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
: > sense.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Gyp
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: > : > : > :
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the 400
chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty" decided
that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
allegedly.
As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would be
equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
Dumfries,
: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
:
: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >
: > --
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
: able
: > to
: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: it'll
: > : start every time!
: > :
: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
: they
: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: > electrolytic
: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
: are
: > : crap
: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
Buick
: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
second
: > : hand
: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
two
: > days
: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
owner
: > : with
: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
When
: a
: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
: > wrong
: > : !
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
some
: of
: > : the
: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
: > years,
: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
: > : > electrical
: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: broken
: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
: > : > engineer,
: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: (Daily
: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
: > index"
: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
: and
: > a
: > : > 16%
: > : > : > : failure rate.
: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
: > failure
: > : > : rate
: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
: > failure
: > : > : rate)
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
and
: a
: > : 44%
: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
: and
: > a
: > : > 21%
: > : > : > : repair bill
: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since
the
: > : > highest
: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes
me
: > : wonder
: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
: > sense.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Gyp
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: > : > : > :
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
10-04-2003, 05:15 AM
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Realiability
Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it would
appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the 400
chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty" decided
that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
allegedly.
As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would be
equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
Dumfries,
: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
:
: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >
: > --
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
: able
: > to
: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: it'll
: > : start every time!
: > :
: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
: they
: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: > electrolytic
: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
: are
: > : crap
: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
Buick
: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
second
: > : hand
: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
two
: > days
: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
owner
: > : with
: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
When
: a
: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
: > wrong
: > : !
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
some
: of
: > : the
: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
: > years,
: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
: > : > electrical
: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: broken
: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
: > : > engineer,
: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: (Daily
: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
: > index"
: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
: and
: > a
: > : > 16%
: > : > : > : failure rate.
: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
: > failure
: > : > : rate
: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
: > failure
: > : > : rate)
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
and
: a
: > : 44%
: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
: and
: > a
: > : > 21%
: > : > : > : repair bill
: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since
the
: > : > highest
: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes
me
: > : wonder
: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
: > sense.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Gyp
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: > : > : > :
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the 400
chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty" decided
that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
allegedly.
As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would be
equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
Dumfries,
: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
:
: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >
: > --
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
: able
: > to
: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: it'll
: > : start every time!
: > :
: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
: they
: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: > electrolytic
: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
: are
: > : crap
: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
Buick
: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
second
: > : hand
: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
two
: > days
: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
owner
: > : with
: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
When
: a
: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
: > wrong
: > : !
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
some
: of
: > : the
: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
: > years,
: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
: > : > electrical
: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: broken
: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
: > : > engineer,
: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: (Daily
: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
: > index"
: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
: and
: > a
: > : > 16%
: > : > : > : failure rate.
: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
: > failure
: > : > : rate
: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
: > failure
: > : > : rate)
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
and
: a
: > : 44%
: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
: and
: > a
: > : > 21%
: > : > : > : repair bill
: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since
the
: > : > highest
: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes
me
: > : wonder
: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
: > sense.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Gyp
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: > : > : > :
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
10-04-2003, 05:15 AM
#70
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Realiability
Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it would
appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the 400
chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty" decided
that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
allegedly.
As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would be
equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
Dumfries,
: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
:
: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >
: > --
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
: able
: > to
: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: it'll
: > : start every time!
: > :
: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
: they
: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: > electrolytic
: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
: are
: > : crap
: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
Buick
: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
second
: > : hand
: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
two
: > days
: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
owner
: > : with
: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
When
: a
: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
: > wrong
: > : !
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
some
: of
: > : the
: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
: > years,
: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
: > : > electrical
: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: broken
: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
: > : > engineer,
: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: (Daily
: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
: > index"
: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
: and
: > a
: > : > 16%
: > : > : > : failure rate.
: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
: > failure
: > : > : rate
: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
: > failure
: > : > : rate)
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
and
: a
: > : 44%
: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
: and
: > a
: > : > 21%
: > : > : > : repair bill
: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since
the
: > : > highest
: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes
me
: > : wonder
: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
: > sense.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Gyp
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: > : > : > :
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the 400
chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty" decided
that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
allegedly.
As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would be
equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
Dumfries,
: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
:
: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
: >
: > --
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
: able
: > to
: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: it'll
: > : start every time!
: > :
: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
: they
: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
: > electrolytic
: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
: are
: > : crap
: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
Buick
: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
second
: > : hand
: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
two
: > days
: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
owner
: > : with
: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
When
: a
: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
: > wrong
: > : !
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
some
: of
: > : the
: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
: > years,
: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
: > : > electrical
: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
: broken
: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
: > : > engineer,
: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
: (Daily
: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
: > index"
: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
: and
: > a
: > : > 16%
: > : > : > : failure rate.
: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
: > failure
: > : > : rate
: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
: > failure
: > : > : rate)
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
and
: a
: > : 44%
: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
: and
: > a
: > : > 21%
: > : > : > : repair bill
: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with
an
: > : > average
: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since
the
: > : > highest
: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes
me
: > : wonder
: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
: > sense.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Gyp
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
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