As compared to to us arrogant, boisterous Americans?

Just ask the Franch! ;)

Dave Milne wrote:

> Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
> In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
> nearer the mark..

 

Nah, hey even at the Dollar/Pound exchange rate we can spend 400 million in
a few seconds!

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:09Ifb.9134$6W1.75987187@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hey, you don't spend 400 million in a few days :-) [bitter laugh]
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
> : On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> : <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
> :
> : >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
> would
> : >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The
parliament
> : >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
> : >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
> : >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400
million
> : >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs
with
> : >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed
the
> 400
> : >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
> : >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
> decided
> : >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb
proof
> : >allegedly.
> : >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that
would
> be
> : >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
> :
> : I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
> : building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
> : finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
> :
> :
> :
> : >
> : >Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
> : >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
> : >Dumfries,
> : >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the
Vicar's
> : >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
> : >:
> : >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
> : >:
> : >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
> : >: >
> : >: > --
> : >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >: >
> : >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
> : >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
> be
> : >: able
> : >: > to
> : >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap,
but
> : >: it'll
> : >: > : start every time!
> : >: > :
> : >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> : >: > :
> : >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
> where
> : >: they
> : >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
> substantial
> : >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
> : >: > electrolytic
> : >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
> engines
> : >: are
> : >: > : crap
> : >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the
61-63
> : >Buick
> : >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
> : >second
> : >: > : hand
> : >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep,
but
> : >two
> : >: > days
> : >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed
the
> : >owner
> : >: > : with
> : >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc
etc.
> : >When
> : >: a
> : >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
> something
> : >: > wrong
> : >: > : !
> : >: > : >
> : >: > : > --
> : >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >: > : >
> : >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
> : >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller
on
> our
> : >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
> now
> : >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing
at
> : >some
> : >: of
> : >: > : the
> : >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
> 15
> : >: > years,
> : >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
> leaks,
> : >: > : > electrical
> : >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn
leather,
> : >: broken
> : >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
> Jaguar
> : >: > : > engineer,
> : >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
> : >: > : > :
> : >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
> ??
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
> : >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> : >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK)
paper
> : >: (Daily
> : >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
> Reliability
> : >: > index"
> : >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
> with
> : >an
> : >: > : > average
> : >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
> miles.
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
> £275
> : >: and
> : >: > a
> : >: > : > 16%
> : >: > : > : > : failure rate.
> : >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
> 32%
> : >: > failure
> : >: > : > : rate
> : >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
> 20%
> : >: > failure
> : >: > : > : rate)
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
> : >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of
£420
> : >and
> : >: a
> : >: > : 44%
> : >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> : >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
> £1040
> : >: and
> : >: > a
> : >: > : > 21%
> : >: > : > : > : repair bill
> : >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
> with
> : >an
> : >: > : > average
> : >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
> since
> : >the
> : >: > : > highest
> : >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
> makes
> : >me
> : >: > : wonder
> : >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
> makes
> : >: > sense.
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Gyp
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : --
> : >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
> : >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
> : >: > : > : > : --
> : >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
> : >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > :
> : >: > : > :
> : >: > : >
> : >: > : >
> : >: > :
> : >: > :
> : >: >
> : >: >
> : >:
> : >:
> : >
> :
>
>

 

Nah, hey even at the Dollar/Pound exchange rate we can spend 400 million in
a few seconds!

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:09Ifb.9134$6W1.75987187@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hey, you don't spend 400 million in a few days :-) [bitter laugh]
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
> : On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> : <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
> :
> : >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
> would
> : >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The
parliament
> : >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
> : >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
> : >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400
million
> : >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs
with
> : >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed
the
> 400
> : >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
> : >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
> decided
> : >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb
proof
> : >allegedly.
> : >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that
would
> be
> : >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
> :
> : I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
> : building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
> : finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
> :
> :
> :
> : >
> : >Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
> : >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
> : >Dumfries,
> : >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the
Vicar's
> : >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
> : >:
> : >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
> : >:
> : >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
> : >: >
> : >: > --
> : >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >: >
> : >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
> : >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
> be
> : >: able
> : >: > to
> : >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap,
but
> : >: it'll
> : >: > : start every time!
> : >: > :
> : >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> : >: > :
> : >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
> where
> : >: they
> : >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
> substantial
> : >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
> : >: > electrolytic
> : >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
> engines
> : >: are
> : >: > : crap
> : >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the
61-63
> : >Buick
> : >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
> : >second
> : >: > : hand
> : >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep,
but
> : >two
> : >: > days
> : >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed
the
> : >owner
> : >: > : with
> : >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc
etc.
> : >When
> : >: a
> : >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
> something
> : >: > wrong
> : >: > : !
> : >: > : >
> : >: > : > --
> : >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >: > : >
> : >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
> : >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller
on
> our
> : >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
> now
> : >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing
at
> : >some
> : >: of
> : >: > : the
> : >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
> 15
> : >: > years,
> : >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
> leaks,
> : >: > : > electrical
> : >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn
leather,
> : >: broken
> : >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
> Jaguar
> : >: > : > engineer,
> : >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
> : >: > : > :
> : >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
> ??
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
> : >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> : >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK)
paper
> : >: (Daily
> : >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
> Reliability
> : >: > index"
> : >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
> with
> : >an
> : >: > : > average
> : >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
> miles.
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
> £275
> : >: and
> : >: > a
> : >: > : > 16%
> : >: > : > : > : failure rate.
> : >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
> 32%
> : >: > failure
> : >: > : > : rate
> : >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
> 20%
> : >: > failure
> : >: > : > : rate)
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
> : >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of
£420
> : >and
> : >: a
> : >: > : 44%
> : >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> : >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
> £1040
> : >: and
> : >: > a
> : >: > : > 21%
> : >: > : > : > : repair bill
> : >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
> with
> : >an
> : >: > : > average
> : >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
> since
> : >the
> : >: > : > highest
> : >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
> makes
> : >me
> : >: > : wonder
> : >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
> makes
> : >: > sense.
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Gyp
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : --
> : >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
> : >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
> : >: > : > : > : --
> : >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
> : >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > :
> : >: > : > :
> : >: > : >
> : >: > : >
> : >: > :
> : >: > :
> : >: >
> : >: >
> : >:
> : >:
> : >
> :
>
>

 

Nah, hey even at the Dollar/Pound exchange rate we can spend 400 million in
a few seconds!

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:09Ifb.9134$6W1.75987187@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hey, you don't spend 400 million in a few days :-) [bitter laugh]
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
> : On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> : <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
> :
> : >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
> would
> : >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The
parliament
> : >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
> : >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
> : >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400
million
> : >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs
with
> : >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed
the
> 400
> : >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
> : >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
> decided
> : >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb
proof
> : >allegedly.
> : >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that
would
> be
> : >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
> :
> : I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
> : building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
> : finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
> :
> :
> :
> : >
> : >Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
> : >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
> : >Dumfries,
> : >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the
Vicar's
> : >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
> : >:
> : >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
> : >:
> : >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
> : >: >
> : >: > --
> : >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >: >
> : >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
> : >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
> be
> : >: able
> : >: > to
> : >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap,
but
> : >: it'll
> : >: > : start every time!
> : >: > :
> : >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> : >: > :
> : >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
> where
> : >: they
> : >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
> substantial
> : >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
> : >: > electrolytic
> : >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
> engines
> : >: are
> : >: > : crap
> : >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the
61-63
> : >Buick
> : >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
> : >second
> : >: > : hand
> : >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep,
but
> : >two
> : >: > days
> : >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed
the
> : >owner
> : >: > : with
> : >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc
etc.
> : >When
> : >: a
> : >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
> something
> : >: > wrong
> : >: > : !
> : >: > : >
> : >: > : > --
> : >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >: > : >
> : >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
> : >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller
on
> our
> : >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
> now
> : >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing
at
> : >some
> : >: of
> : >: > : the
> : >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
> 15
> : >: > years,
> : >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
> leaks,
> : >: > : > electrical
> : >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn
leather,
> : >: broken
> : >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
> Jaguar
> : >: > : > engineer,
> : >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
> : >: > : > :
> : >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
> ??
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
> : >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> : >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK)
paper
> : >: (Daily
> : >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
> Reliability
> : >: > index"
> : >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
> with
> : >an
> : >: > : > average
> : >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
> miles.
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
> £275
> : >: and
> : >: > a
> : >: > : > 16%
> : >: > : > : > : failure rate.
> : >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
> 32%
> : >: > failure
> : >: > : > : rate
> : >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
> 20%
> : >: > failure
> : >: > : > : rate)
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
> : >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of
£420
> : >and
> : >: a
> : >: > : 44%
> : >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> : >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
> £1040
> : >: and
> : >: > a
> : >: > : > 21%
> : >: > : > : > : repair bill
> : >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
> with
> : >an
> : >: > : > average
> : >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
> since
> : >the
> : >: > : > highest
> : >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
> makes
> : >me
> : >: > : wonder
> : >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
> makes
> : >: > sense.
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : Gyp
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : > : --
> : >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
> : >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
> : >: > : > : > : --
> : >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
> : >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
> : >: > : > : > :
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > : >
> : >: > : > :
> : >: > : > :
> : >: > : >
> : >: > : >
> : >: > :
> : >: > :
> : >: >
> : >: >
> : >:
> : >:
> : >
> :
>
>

 

Probably because the Europeans haven't compared you guys to us! ;-)

OTOH, every time I took a group of US retail service people to tour London
or the Jaguar factories in the Midlands the Brits always enjoyed the
spontaneous antics of the Americans. (Explaining the expense reports when I
got home was another matter!) One of my mates in Coventry described on of
our guests as a Brit's nightmare: an Australian by birth, with US
citizenship, of Irish descent!


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:1bIfb.9138$8U1.75954204@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
> In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
> nearer the mark..
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnuhhbkhcq4091@corp.supernews.com...
> : No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the
> 51st
> : State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more
polite,
> : genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
> :
> : "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
> : news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
> : > In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> : > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
> : >
> : > >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
> : >
> : > Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
> : > * * *
> : > Matt Macchiarolo
> : > www.townpeddler.com
> : > www.wolverine4wd.org
> : > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

 

Probably because the Europeans haven't compared you guys to us! ;-)

OTOH, every time I took a group of US retail service people to tour London
or the Jaguar factories in the Midlands the Brits always enjoyed the
spontaneous antics of the Americans. (Explaining the expense reports when I
got home was another matter!) One of my mates in Coventry described on of
our guests as a Brit's nightmare: an Australian by birth, with US
citizenship, of Irish descent!


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:1bIfb.9138$8U1.75954204@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
> In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
> nearer the mark..
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnuhhbkhcq4091@corp.supernews.com...
> : No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the
> 51st
> : State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more
polite,
> : genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
> :
> : "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
> : news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
> : > In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> : > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
> : >
> : > >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
> : >
> : > Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
> : > * * *
> : > Matt Macchiarolo
> : > www.townpeddler.com
> : > www.wolverine4wd.org
> : > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

 

Probably because the Europeans haven't compared you guys to us! ;-)

OTOH, every time I took a group of US retail service people to tour London
or the Jaguar factories in the Midlands the Brits always enjoyed the
spontaneous antics of the Americans. (Explaining the expense reports when I
got home was another matter!) One of my mates in Coventry described on of
our guests as a Brit's nightmare: an Australian by birth, with US
citizenship, of Irish descent!


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:1bIfb.9138$8U1.75954204@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Never did work out why England had a reputation for being polite/genteel.
> In Europe we have a reputation of being laager louts which is probably
> nearer the mark..
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnuhhbkhcq4091@corp.supernews.com...
> : No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the
> 51st
> : State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more
polite,
> : genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...
> :
> : "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
> : news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
> : > In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> : > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
> : >
> : > >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
> : >
> : > Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
> : > * * *
> : > Matt Macchiarolo
> : > www.townpeddler.com
> : > www.wolverine4wd.org
> : > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

 

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:24:11 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:

>I think my ancestral people are waiting for Mel Gibson to come back & lead
>'em again.
>
>I was in Glasgow back in '99 and ambled into a local pub. When the locals
>found out I was a Yank of Scottish descent I never bought another beer..er,
>ale, er lager. Funny, though, I couldn't understand a single word some of
>'em said!

My father is a Scot, but he didn't go on that trip. The Scots are
great people. The food is so-so. :)


>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
>> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>>
>> >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
>would
>> >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
>> >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
>> >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
>> >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
>> >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
>> >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
>400
>> >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
>> >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
>decided
>> >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
>> >allegedly.
>> >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
>be
>> >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
>>
>> I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
>> building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
>> finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >
>> >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
>> >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
>> >Dumfries,
>> >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>> >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
>> >:
>> >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
>> >:
>> >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>> >: >
>> >: > --
>> >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >: >
>> >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>> >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
>be
>> >: able
>> >: > to
>> >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>> >: it'll
>> >: > : start every time!
>> >: > :
>> >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>> >: > :
>> >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
>where
>> >: they
>> >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
>substantial
>> >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>> >: > electrolytic
>> >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
>engines
>> >: are
>> >: > : crap
>> >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
>> >Buick
>> >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
>> >second
>> >: > : hand
>> >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
>> >two
>> >: > days
>> >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
>> >owner
>> >: > : with
>> >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
>> >When
>> >: a
>> >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
>something
>> >: > wrong
>> >: > : !
>> >: > : >
>> >: > : > --
>> >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >: > : >
>> >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
>our
>> >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
>now
>> >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
>> >some
>> >: of
>> >: > : the
>> >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
>15
>> >: > years,
>> >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
>leaks,
>> >: > : > electrical
>> >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>> >: broken
>> >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
>Jaguar
>> >: > : > engineer,
>> >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
>> >: > : > :
>> >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
>??
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>> >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>> >: (Daily
>> >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
>Reliability
>> >: > index"
>> >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
>with
>> >an
>> >: > : > average
>> >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
>miles.
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
>£275
>> >: and
>> >: > a
>> >: > : > 16%
>> >: > : > : > : failure rate.
>> >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
>32%
>> >: > failure
>> >: > : > : rate
>> >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
>20%
>> >: > failure
>> >: > : > : rate)
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>> >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
>> >and
>> >: a
>> >: > : 44%
>> >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>> >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
>£1040
>> >: and
>> >: > a
>> >: > : > 21%
>> >: > : > : > : repair bill
>> >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
>with
>> >an
>> >: > : > average
>> >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
>since
>> >the
>> >: > : > highest
>> >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
>makes
>> >me
>> >: > : wonder
>> >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
>makes
>> >: > sense.
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Gyp
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : --
>> >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>> >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>> >: > : > : > : --
>> >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>> >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > :
>> >: > : > :
>> >: > : >
>> >: > : >
>> >: > :
>> >: > :
>> >: >
>> >: >
>> >:
>> >:
>> >
>>
>

 

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:24:11 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:

>I think my ancestral people are waiting for Mel Gibson to come back & lead
>'em again.
>
>I was in Glasgow back in '99 and ambled into a local pub. When the locals
>found out I was a Yank of Scottish descent I never bought another beer..er,
>ale, er lager. Funny, though, I couldn't understand a single word some of
>'em said!

My father is a Scot, but he didn't go on that trip. The Scots are
great people. The food is so-so. :)


>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
>> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>>
>> >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
>would
>> >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
>> >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
>> >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
>> >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
>> >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
>> >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
>400
>> >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
>> >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
>decided
>> >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
>> >allegedly.
>> >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
>be
>> >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
>>
>> I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
>> building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
>> finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >
>> >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
>> >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
>> >Dumfries,
>> >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>> >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
>> >:
>> >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
>> >:
>> >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>> >: >
>> >: > --
>> >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >: >
>> >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>> >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
>be
>> >: able
>> >: > to
>> >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>> >: it'll
>> >: > : start every time!
>> >: > :
>> >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>> >: > :
>> >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
>where
>> >: they
>> >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
>substantial
>> >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>> >: > electrolytic
>> >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
>engines
>> >: are
>> >: > : crap
>> >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
>> >Buick
>> >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
>> >second
>> >: > : hand
>> >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
>> >two
>> >: > days
>> >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
>> >owner
>> >: > : with
>> >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
>> >When
>> >: a
>> >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
>something
>> >: > wrong
>> >: > : !
>> >: > : >
>> >: > : > --
>> >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >: > : >
>> >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
>our
>> >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
>now
>> >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
>> >some
>> >: of
>> >: > : the
>> >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
>15
>> >: > years,
>> >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
>leaks,
>> >: > : > electrical
>> >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>> >: broken
>> >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
>Jaguar
>> >: > : > engineer,
>> >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
>> >: > : > :
>> >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
>??
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>> >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>> >: (Daily
>> >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
>Reliability
>> >: > index"
>> >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
>with
>> >an
>> >: > : > average
>> >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
>miles.
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
>£275
>> >: and
>> >: > a
>> >: > : > 16%
>> >: > : > : > : failure rate.
>> >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
>32%
>> >: > failure
>> >: > : > : rate
>> >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
>20%
>> >: > failure
>> >: > : > : rate)
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>> >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
>> >and
>> >: a
>> >: > : 44%
>> >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>> >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
>£1040
>> >: and
>> >: > a
>> >: > : > 21%
>> >: > : > : > : repair bill
>> >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
>with
>> >an
>> >: > : > average
>> >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
>since
>> >the
>> >: > : > highest
>> >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
>makes
>> >me
>> >: > : wonder
>> >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
>makes
>> >: > sense.
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Gyp
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : --
>> >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>> >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>> >: > : > : > : --
>> >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>> >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > : >
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:24:11 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:

>I think my ancestral people are waiting for Mel Gibson to come back & lead
>'em again.
>
>I was in Glasgow back in '99 and ambled into a local pub. When the locals
>found out I was a Yank of Scottish descent I never bought another beer..er,
>ale, er lager. Funny, though, I couldn't understand a single word some of
>'em said!

My father is a Scot, but he didn't go on that trip. The Scots are
great people. The food is so-so. :)


>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
>> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>>
>> >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
>would
>> >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
>> >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
>> >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
>> >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
>> >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
>> >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
>400
>> >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
>> >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
>decided
>> >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
>> >allegedly.
>> >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
>be
>> >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
>>
>> I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
>> building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
>> finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >
>> >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
>> >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
>> >Dumfries,
>> >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>> >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
>> >:
>> >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
>> >:
>> >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>> >: >
>> >: > --
>> >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >: >
>> >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>> >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
>be
>> >: able
>> >: > to
>> >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>> >: it'll
>> >: > : start every time!
>> >: > :
>> >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>> >: > :
>> >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
>where
>> >: they
>> >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
>substantial
>> >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>> >: > electrolytic
>> >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
>engines
>> >: are
>> >: > : crap
>> >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
>> >Buick
>> >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
>> >second
>> >: > : hand
>> >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
>> >two
>> >: > days
>> >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
>> >owner
>> >: > : with
>> >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
>> >When
>> >: a
>> >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
>something
>> >: > wrong
>> >: > : !
>> >: > : >
>> >: > : > --
>> >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >: > : >
>> >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
>our
>> >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
>now
>> >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
>> >some
>> >: of
>> >: > : the
>> >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
>15
>> >: > years,
>> >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
>leaks,
>> >: > : > electrical
>> >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>> >: broken
>> >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
>Jaguar
>> >: > : > engineer,
>> >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
>> >: > : > :
>> >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
>??
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>> >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>> >: (Daily
>> >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
>Reliability
>> >: > index"
>> >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
>with
>> >an
>> >: > : > average
>> >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
>miles.
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
>£275
>> >: and
>> >: > a
>> >: > : > 16%
>> >: > : > : > : failure rate.
>> >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
>32%
>> >: > failure
>> >: > : > : rate
>> >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
>20%
>> >: > failure
>> >: > : > : rate)
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>> >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
>> >and
>> >: a
>> >: > : 44%
>> >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>> >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
>£1040
>> >: and
>> >: > a
>> >: > : > 21%
>> >: > : > : > : repair bill
>> >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
>with
>> >an
>> >: > : > average
>> >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
>since
>> >the
>> >: > : > highest
>> >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
>makes
>> >me
>> >: > : wonder
>> >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
>makes
>> >: > sense.
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : Gyp
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : > : --
>> >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>> >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>> >: > : > : > : --
>> >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>> >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>> >: > : > : > :
>> >: > : > : >
>> >: > : > : >
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