Jeep Realiability
09-24-2003, 12:59 PM
#11
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Re: Jeep Realiability
I wonder if there is any connection between pride in ownership and vehicle
repair. You would think that somebody who liked their vehicle would take care
of it more than say....somebody who only used their vehicle for pure
transportation.
Brian
88 YJ
repair. You would think that somebody who liked their vehicle would take care
of it more than say....somebody who only used their vehicle for pure
transportation.
Brian
88 YJ
09-24-2003, 03:24 PM
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Re: Jeep Realiability
I like the berakdown statistics the Swiss Touring Club is publishing.
The Club operates a nationwide fleet of mobile mechanics to get you
going again after a breakdown.
The statistics counts the number of vehicles with a breakdown compared
to the complete fleet in operation.
In the last decade Subaru, Tojota and Mercedes have been leading the
pack with sometimes considerable margins. French brands are the worst.
(despite this trusty Citroen Xantia is running reliably and comfortably
with its air-pressure suspension).
<http://tinyurl.com/ojgo> Features some nice graphics.
A bit orthoepic ,no Jeep info there (they too rare over here...)
Markus
In article <bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, gyp@localdomain.net
says...
> Lo Jeepers,
>
> My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper (Daily
> Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability index"
> which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an average
> age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
>
> Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275 and a 16%
> failure rate.
> Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32% failure rate
> Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20% failure rate)
>
> Right down at the other end..
> At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and a 44%
> repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040 and a 21%
> repair bill
> and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an average
> repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>
>
> Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
> failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
> quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
>
> Gyp
>
>
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09-24-2003, 03:24 PM
#13
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Re: Jeep Realiability
I like the berakdown statistics the Swiss Touring Club is publishing.
The Club operates a nationwide fleet of mobile mechanics to get you
going again after a breakdown.
The statistics counts the number of vehicles with a breakdown compared
to the complete fleet in operation.
In the last decade Subaru, Tojota and Mercedes have been leading the
pack with sometimes considerable margins. French brands are the worst.
(despite this trusty Citroen Xantia is running reliably and comfortably
with its air-pressure suspension).
<http://tinyurl.com/ojgo> Features some nice graphics.
A bit orthoepic ,no Jeep info there (they too rare over here...)
Markus
In article <bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, gyp@localdomain.net
says...
> Lo Jeepers,
>
> My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper (Daily
> Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability index"
> which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an average
> age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
>
> Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275 and a 16%
> failure rate.
> Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32% failure rate
> Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20% failure rate)
>
> Right down at the other end..
> At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and a 44%
> repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040 and a 21%
> repair bill
> and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an average
> repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>
>
> Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
> failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
> quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
>
> Gyp
>
>
--
Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677
Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678
CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org
Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org
09-24-2003, 03:40 PM
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Re: Jeep Realiability
>and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an average
>repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
Couple of thoughts:
1. What is the cost of parts in the UK relative to the US?
2. Are we talking dealers or independent mechanics?
The most expensive repair I've had on my Jeep so far was $600. The radiator
plugged up on my way out of town on a 1000 mile road trip that couldn't be
postponed, so I needed a dealer to replace it on the spot. For more routine
stuff, I found a mechanic that works cheap, as long as you don't need it in
any kind of hurry. For example, replacing the valve cover gasket was $60
including the part.
>
>Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
>failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
>quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
Depends on the climate and conditions. The UK tends to have gentler weather
and better roads than the US, so probably makes less sense there.
--
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Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
>repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
Couple of thoughts:
1. What is the cost of parts in the UK relative to the US?
2. Are we talking dealers or independent mechanics?
The most expensive repair I've had on my Jeep so far was $600. The radiator
plugged up on my way out of town on a 1000 mile road trip that couldn't be
postponed, so I needed a dealer to replace it on the spot. For more routine
stuff, I found a mechanic that works cheap, as long as you don't need it in
any kind of hurry. For example, replacing the valve cover gasket was $60
including the part.
>
>Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
>failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
>quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
Depends on the climate and conditions. The UK tends to have gentler weather
and better roads than the US, so probably makes less sense there.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
09-24-2003, 03:40 PM
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Re: Jeep Realiability
>and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an average
>repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
Couple of thoughts:
1. What is the cost of parts in the UK relative to the US?
2. Are we talking dealers or independent mechanics?
The most expensive repair I've had on my Jeep so far was $600. The radiator
plugged up on my way out of town on a 1000 mile road trip that couldn't be
postponed, so I needed a dealer to replace it on the spot. For more routine
stuff, I found a mechanic that works cheap, as long as you don't need it in
any kind of hurry. For example, replacing the valve cover gasket was $60
including the part.
>
>Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
>failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
>quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
Depends on the climate and conditions. The UK tends to have gentler weather
and better roads than the US, so probably makes less sense there.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
>repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
Couple of thoughts:
1. What is the cost of parts in the UK relative to the US?
2. Are we talking dealers or independent mechanics?
The most expensive repair I've had on my Jeep so far was $600. The radiator
plugged up on my way out of town on a 1000 mile road trip that couldn't be
postponed, so I needed a dealer to replace it on the spot. For more routine
stuff, I found a mechanic that works cheap, as long as you don't need it in
any kind of hurry. For example, replacing the valve cover gasket was $60
including the part.
>
>Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
>failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
>quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
Depends on the climate and conditions. The UK tends to have gentler weather
and better roads than the US, so probably makes less sense there.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address
09-24-2003, 10:22 PM
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Re: Jeep Realiability
I can see the stickers now:
"It's a 'special interest' thing, you wouldn't understand."
td
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:uShcb.248$dw4.184@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> There is no question the there are marques that have better reliability
> than Jeep. Jeep is essentially a special interest type vehicle. If you
> are not interested in doing with your vehicle what the Jeep was built
> for, buy another brand. If you are interested in offroading, there are
> not many vehicles, anymore, that are as capable offroad as what Jeep has
> to offer/offered. Just a matter of buying a vehicle that fits your
> intended purpose. JMHO.
>
> Gyp wrote:
>
> > Lo Jeepers,
> >
> > My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper (Daily
> > Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability index"
> > which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an average
> > age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
> >
> > Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275 and a 16%
> > failure rate.
> > Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32% failure
rate
> > Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20% failure
rate)
> >
> > Right down at the other end..
> > At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and a 44%
> > repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> > 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040 and a 21%
> > repair bill
> > and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an average
> > repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> >
> >
> > Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
> > failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
> > quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
> >
> > Gyp
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
"It's a 'special interest' thing, you wouldn't understand."
td
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:uShcb.248$dw4.184@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> There is no question the there are marques that have better reliability
> than Jeep. Jeep is essentially a special interest type vehicle. If you
> are not interested in doing with your vehicle what the Jeep was built
> for, buy another brand. If you are interested in offroading, there are
> not many vehicles, anymore, that are as capable offroad as what Jeep has
> to offer/offered. Just a matter of buying a vehicle that fits your
> intended purpose. JMHO.
>
> Gyp wrote:
>
> > Lo Jeepers,
> >
> > My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper (Daily
> > Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability index"
> > which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an average
> > age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
> >
> > Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275 and a 16%
> > failure rate.
> > Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32% failure
rate
> > Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20% failure
rate)
> >
> > Right down at the other end..
> > At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and a 44%
> > repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> > 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040 and a 21%
> > repair bill
> > and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an average
> > repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> >
> >
> > Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
> > failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
> > quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
> >
> > Gyp
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
09-24-2003, 10:22 PM
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Re: Jeep Realiability
I can see the stickers now:
"It's a 'special interest' thing, you wouldn't understand."
td
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:uShcb.248$dw4.184@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> There is no question the there are marques that have better reliability
> than Jeep. Jeep is essentially a special interest type vehicle. If you
> are not interested in doing with your vehicle what the Jeep was built
> for, buy another brand. If you are interested in offroading, there are
> not many vehicles, anymore, that are as capable offroad as what Jeep has
> to offer/offered. Just a matter of buying a vehicle that fits your
> intended purpose. JMHO.
>
> Gyp wrote:
>
> > Lo Jeepers,
> >
> > My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper (Daily
> > Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability index"
> > which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an average
> > age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
> >
> > Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275 and a 16%
> > failure rate.
> > Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32% failure
rate
> > Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20% failure
rate)
> >
> > Right down at the other end..
> > At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and a 44%
> > repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> > 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040 and a 21%
> > repair bill
> > and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an average
> > repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> >
> >
> > Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
> > failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
> > quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
> >
> > Gyp
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
"It's a 'special interest' thing, you wouldn't understand."
td
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:uShcb.248$dw4.184@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> There is no question the there are marques that have better reliability
> than Jeep. Jeep is essentially a special interest type vehicle. If you
> are not interested in doing with your vehicle what the Jeep was built
> for, buy another brand. If you are interested in offroading, there are
> not many vehicles, anymore, that are as capable offroad as what Jeep has
> to offer/offered. Just a matter of buying a vehicle that fits your
> intended purpose. JMHO.
>
> Gyp wrote:
>
> > Lo Jeepers,
> >
> > My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper (Daily
> > Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability index"
> > which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an average
> > age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
> >
> > Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275 and a 16%
> > failure rate.
> > Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32% failure
rate
> > Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20% failure
rate)
> >
> > Right down at the other end..
> > At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and a 44%
> > repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> > 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040 and a 21%
> > repair bill
> > and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an average
> > repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> >
> >
> > Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the highest
> > failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
> > quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
> >
> > Gyp
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
09-25-2003, 12:18 AM
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Re: Jeep Realiability
sadly, people today buy cars so they can 'look good' but this makes no
sense. i don't know how many times i smack my forehead in astonishment
as seeing a Ford Explosion or whatever the fsck they call that thing,
lowered and 22" rims and lo-pro tires WTF is that?
people who buy jeeps and use them for their intended purpose are
bviously going to put their equipment to the test more often than some
pimped out exploder. wranglers are not SUV's; they are UV's!
--
Ben Jerew
ASE Master Technician
New Country Lexus of Latham, NY
Amateur Off-Roader
sense. i don't know how many times i smack my forehead in astonishment
as seeing a Ford Explosion or whatever the fsck they call that thing,
lowered and 22" rims and lo-pro tires WTF is that?
people who buy jeeps and use them for their intended purpose are
bviously going to put their equipment to the test more often than some
pimped out exploder. wranglers are not SUV's; they are UV's!
--
Ben Jerew
ASE Master Technician
New Country Lexus of Latham, NY
Amateur Off-Roader
09-25-2003, 12:18 AM
#19
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Re: Jeep Realiability
sadly, people today buy cars so they can 'look good' but this makes no
sense. i don't know how many times i smack my forehead in astonishment
as seeing a Ford Explosion or whatever the fsck they call that thing,
lowered and 22" rims and lo-pro tires WTF is that?
people who buy jeeps and use them for their intended purpose are
bviously going to put their equipment to the test more often than some
pimped out exploder. wranglers are not SUV's; they are UV's!
--
Ben Jerew
ASE Master Technician
New Country Lexus of Latham, NY
Amateur Off-Roader
sense. i don't know how many times i smack my forehead in astonishment
as seeing a Ford Explosion or whatever the fsck they call that thing,
lowered and 22" rims and lo-pro tires WTF is that?
people who buy jeeps and use them for their intended purpose are
bviously going to put their equipment to the test more often than some
pimped out exploder. wranglers are not SUV's; they are UV's!
--
Ben Jerew
ASE Master Technician
New Country Lexus of Latham, NY
Amateur Off-Roader