87 YJ
#241
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
you just have them laying around?
What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
driveshaft, etc.?
Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If it's
> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles and
> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2 degrees
> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>
> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse eye)
> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock height.
> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
> spring-under lift.
>
> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra mid-leaf
> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf rears
> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and axlewrap
> was eliminated.
>
> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring shaved
> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
> clearance.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
you just have them laying around?
What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
driveshaft, etc.?
Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If it's
> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles and
> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2 degrees
> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>
> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse eye)
> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock height.
> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
> spring-under lift.
>
> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra mid-leaf
> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf rears
> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and axlewrap
> was eliminated.
>
> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring shaved
> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
> clearance.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
#242
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
Rubicon.
Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
ride, and clearance.
The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
needs after it's done.
The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> you just have them laying around?
> What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> driveshaft, etc.?
> Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
>
> On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> it's
>> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> and
>> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
>> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> degrees
>> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> eye)
>> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> height.
>> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> spring-under lift.
>>
>> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
>> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> mid-leaf
>> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> rears
>> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> axlewrap
>> was eliminated.
>>
>> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
>> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> shaved
>> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
>> clearance.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
Rubicon.
Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
ride, and clearance.
The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
needs after it's done.
The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> you just have them laying around?
> What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> driveshaft, etc.?
> Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
>
> On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> it's
>> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> and
>> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
>> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> degrees
>> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> eye)
>> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> height.
>> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> spring-under lift.
>>
>> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
>> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> mid-leaf
>> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> rears
>> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> axlewrap
>> was eliminated.
>>
>> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
>> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> shaved
>> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
>> clearance.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
#243
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
Rubicon.
Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
ride, and clearance.
The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
needs after it's done.
The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> you just have them laying around?
> What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> driveshaft, etc.?
> Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
>
> On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> it's
>> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> and
>> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
>> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> degrees
>> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> eye)
>> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> height.
>> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> spring-under lift.
>>
>> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
>> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> mid-leaf
>> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> rears
>> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> axlewrap
>> was eliminated.
>>
>> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
>> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> shaved
>> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
>> clearance.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
Rubicon.
Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
ride, and clearance.
The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
needs after it's done.
The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> you just have them laying around?
> What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> driveshaft, etc.?
> Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
>
> On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> it's
>> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> and
>> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
>> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> degrees
>> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> eye)
>> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> height.
>> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> spring-under lift.
>>
>> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
>> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> mid-leaf
>> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> rears
>> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> axlewrap
>> was eliminated.
>>
>> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
>> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> shaved
>> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
>> clearance.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
#244
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
Rubicon.
Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
ride, and clearance.
The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
needs after it's done.
The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> you just have them laying around?
> What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> driveshaft, etc.?
> Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
>
> On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> it's
>> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> and
>> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
>> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> degrees
>> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> eye)
>> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> height.
>> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> spring-under lift.
>>
>> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
>> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> mid-leaf
>> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> rears
>> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> axlewrap
>> was eliminated.
>>
>> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
>> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> shaved
>> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
>> clearance.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
Rubicon.
Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
ride, and clearance.
The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
needs after it's done.
The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> you just have them laying around?
> What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> driveshaft, etc.?
> Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
>
> On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> it's
>> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> and
>> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
>> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> degrees
>> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> eye)
>> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> height.
>> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> spring-under lift.
>>
>> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
>> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> mid-leaf
>> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> rears
>> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> axlewrap
>> was eliminated.
>>
>> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
>> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> shaved
>> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
>> clearance.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
#245
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
dammit Carl, you never should have mentioned this. Now I want to do it
right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
(after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
thinking).
I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
spring set up.
On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
> Rubicon.
>
> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>
> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
> ride, and clearance.
>
> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>
> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
> needs after it's done.
>
> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>
> Carl
>
> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>
> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> > you just have them laying around?
> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> > driveshaft, etc.?
> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
> >> it's
> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
> >> and
> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
> >> degrees
> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>
> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
> >> eye)
> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
> >> height.
> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
> >> spring-under lift.
>
> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
> >> mid-leaf
> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
> >> rears
> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
> >> axlewrap
> >> was eliminated.
>
> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
> >> shaved
> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
> >> clearance.
>
> >> HTH
>
> >> Carl
right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
(after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
thinking).
I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
spring set up.
On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
> Rubicon.
>
> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>
> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
> ride, and clearance.
>
> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>
> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
> needs after it's done.
>
> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>
> Carl
>
> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>
> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> > you just have them laying around?
> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> > driveshaft, etc.?
> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
> >> it's
> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
> >> and
> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
> >> degrees
> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>
> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
> >> eye)
> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
> >> height.
> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
> >> spring-under lift.
>
> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
> >> mid-leaf
> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
> >> rears
> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
> >> axlewrap
> >> was eliminated.
>
> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
> >> shaved
> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
> >> clearance.
>
> >> HTH
>
> >> Carl
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
dammit Carl, you never should have mentioned this. Now I want to do it
right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
(after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
thinking).
I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
spring set up.
On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
> Rubicon.
>
> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>
> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
> ride, and clearance.
>
> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>
> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
> needs after it's done.
>
> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>
> Carl
>
> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>
> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> > you just have them laying around?
> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> > driveshaft, etc.?
> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
> >> it's
> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
> >> and
> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
> >> degrees
> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>
> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
> >> eye)
> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
> >> height.
> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
> >> spring-under lift.
>
> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
> >> mid-leaf
> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
> >> rears
> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
> >> axlewrap
> >> was eliminated.
>
> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
> >> shaved
> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
> >> clearance.
>
> >> HTH
>
> >> Carl
right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
(after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
thinking).
I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
spring set up.
On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
> Rubicon.
>
> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>
> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
> ride, and clearance.
>
> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>
> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
> needs after it's done.
>
> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>
> Carl
>
> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>
> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> > you just have them laying around?
> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> > driveshaft, etc.?
> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
> >> it's
> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
> >> and
> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
> >> degrees
> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>
> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
> >> eye)
> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
> >> height.
> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
> >> spring-under lift.
>
> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
> >> mid-leaf
> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
> >> rears
> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
> >> axlewrap
> >> was eliminated.
>
> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
> >> shaved
> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
> >> clearance.
>
> >> HTH
>
> >> Carl
#247
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Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
dammit Carl, you never should have mentioned this. Now I want to do it
right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
(after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
thinking).
I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
spring set up.
On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
> Rubicon.
>
> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>
> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
> ride, and clearance.
>
> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>
> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
> needs after it's done.
>
> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>
> Carl
>
> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>
> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> > you just have them laying around?
> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> > driveshaft, etc.?
> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
> >> it's
> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
> >> and
> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
> >> degrees
> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>
> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
> >> eye)
> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
> >> height.
> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
> >> spring-under lift.
>
> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
> >> mid-leaf
> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
> >> rears
> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
> >> axlewrap
> >> was eliminated.
>
> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
> >> shaved
> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
> >> clearance.
>
> >> HTH
>
> >> Carl
right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
(after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
thinking).
I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
spring set up.
On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
> Rubicon.
>
> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and $400
> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep in
> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>
> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything, and
> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
> ride, and clearance.
>
> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>
> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what it
> needs after it's done.
>
> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies that
> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5". So I
> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for dirt
> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find the
> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>
> Carl
>
> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>
> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
> > you just have them laying around?
> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
> > driveshaft, etc.?
> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>
> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
> >> it's
> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
> >> and
> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the t-case
> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
> >> degrees
> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>
> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
> >> eye)
> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
> >> height.
> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
> >> spring-under lift.
>
> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains, the
> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
> >> mid-leaf
> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
> >> rears
> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
> >> axlewrap
> >> was eliminated.
>
> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the passenger
> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
> >> shaved
> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the needed
> >> clearance.
>
> >> HTH
>
> >> Carl
#248
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
That's a good article, I read it before doing mine.
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167713743.729158.220470@h40g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> dammit Carl, you never should have mentioned this. Now I want to do it
> right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
> really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
> take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
> (after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
> good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
> thinking).
> I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
> http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
>
> The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
> spring set up.
>
> On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
>> Rubicon.
>>
>> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
>> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and
>> $400
>> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep
>> in
>> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>>
>> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything,
>> and
>> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
>> ride, and clearance.
>>
>> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
>> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
>> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>>
>> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
>> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what
>> it
>> needs after it's done.
>>
>> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies
>> that
>> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
>> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
>> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5".
>> So I
>> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for
>> dirt
>> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find
>> the
>> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>
>> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
>> > you just have them laying around?
>> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
>> > driveshaft, etc.?
>> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
>> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>>
>> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> >> it's
>> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> >> and
>> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the
>> >> t-case
>> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> >> degrees
>> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> >> eye)
>> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> >> height.
>> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> >> spring-under lift.
>>
>> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains,
>> >> the
>> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> >> mid-leaf
>> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> >> rears
>> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> >> axlewrap
>> >> was eliminated.
>>
>> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the
>> >> passenger
>> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> >> shaved
>> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the
>> >> needed
>> >> clearance.
>>
>> >> HTH
>>
>> >> Carl
>
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167713743.729158.220470@h40g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> dammit Carl, you never should have mentioned this. Now I want to do it
> right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
> really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
> take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
> (after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
> good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
> thinking).
> I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
> http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
>
> The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
> spring set up.
>
> On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
>> Rubicon.
>>
>> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
>> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and
>> $400
>> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep
>> in
>> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>>
>> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything,
>> and
>> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
>> ride, and clearance.
>>
>> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
>> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
>> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>>
>> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
>> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what
>> it
>> needs after it's done.
>>
>> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies
>> that
>> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
>> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
>> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5".
>> So I
>> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for
>> dirt
>> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find
>> the
>> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>
>> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
>> > you just have them laying around?
>> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
>> > driveshaft, etc.?
>> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
>> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>>
>> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> >> it's
>> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> >> and
>> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the
>> >> t-case
>> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> >> degrees
>> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> >> eye)
>> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> >> height.
>> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> >> spring-under lift.
>>
>> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains,
>> >> the
>> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> >> mid-leaf
>> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> >> rears
>> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> >> axlewrap
>> >> was eliminated.
>>
>> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the
>> >> passenger
>> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> >> shaved
>> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the
>> >> needed
>> >> clearance.
>>
>> >> HTH
>>
>> >> Carl
>
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
That's a good article, I read it before doing mine.
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167713743.729158.220470@h40g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> dammit Carl, you never should have mentioned this. Now I want to do it
> right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
> really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
> take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
> (after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
> good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
> thinking).
> I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
> http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
>
> The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
> spring set up.
>
> On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
>> Rubicon.
>>
>> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
>> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and
>> $400
>> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep
>> in
>> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>>
>> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything,
>> and
>> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
>> ride, and clearance.
>>
>> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
>> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
>> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>>
>> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
>> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what
>> it
>> needs after it's done.
>>
>> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies
>> that
>> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
>> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
>> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5".
>> So I
>> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for
>> dirt
>> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find
>> the
>> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>
>> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
>> > you just have them laying around?
>> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
>> > driveshaft, etc.?
>> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
>> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>>
>> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> >> it's
>> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> >> and
>> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the
>> >> t-case
>> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> >> degrees
>> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> >> eye)
>> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> >> height.
>> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> >> spring-under lift.
>>
>> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains,
>> >> the
>> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> >> mid-leaf
>> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> >> rears
>> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> >> axlewrap
>> >> was eliminated.
>>
>> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the
>> >> passenger
>> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> >> shaved
>> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the
>> >> needed
>> >> clearance.
>>
>> >> HTH
>>
>> >> Carl
>
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167713743.729158.220470@h40g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> dammit Carl, you never should have mentioned this. Now I want to do it
> right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
> really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
> take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
> (after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
> good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
> thinking).
> I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
> http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
>
> The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
> spring set up.
>
> On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
>> Rubicon.
>>
>> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
>> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and
>> $400
>> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep
>> in
>> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>>
>> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything,
>> and
>> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
>> ride, and clearance.
>>
>> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
>> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
>> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>>
>> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
>> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what
>> it
>> needs after it's done.
>>
>> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies
>> that
>> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
>> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
>> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5".
>> So I
>> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for
>> dirt
>> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find
>> the
>> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>
>> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
>> > you just have them laying around?
>> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
>> > driveshaft, etc.?
>> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
>> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>>
>> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> >> it's
>> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> >> and
>> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the
>> >> t-case
>> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> >> degrees
>> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> >> eye)
>> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> >> height.
>> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> >> spring-under lift.
>>
>> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains,
>> >> the
>> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> >> mid-leaf
>> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> >> rears
>> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> >> axlewrap
>> >> was eliminated.
>>
>> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the
>> >> passenger
>> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> >> shaved
>> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the
>> >> needed
>> >> clearance.
>>
>> >> HTH
>>
>> >> Carl
>
#250
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Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
That's a good article, I read it before doing mine.
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167713743.729158.220470@h40g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> dammit Carl, you never should have mentioned this. Now I want to do it
> right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
> really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
> take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
> (after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
> good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
> thinking).
> I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
> http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
>
> The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
> spring set up.
>
> On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
>> Rubicon.
>>
>> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
>> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and
>> $400
>> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep
>> in
>> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>>
>> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything,
>> and
>> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
>> ride, and clearance.
>>
>> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
>> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
>> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>>
>> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
>> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what
>> it
>> needs after it's done.
>>
>> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies
>> that
>> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
>> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
>> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5".
>> So I
>> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for
>> dirt
>> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find
>> the
>> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>
>> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
>> > you just have them laying around?
>> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
>> > driveshaft, etc.?
>> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
>> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>>
>> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> >> it's
>> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> >> and
>> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the
>> >> t-case
>> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> >> degrees
>> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> >> eye)
>> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> >> height.
>> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> >> spring-under lift.
>>
>> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains,
>> >> the
>> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> >> mid-leaf
>> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> >> rears
>> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> >> axlewrap
>> >> was eliminated.
>>
>> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the
>> >> passenger
>> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> >> shaved
>> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the
>> >> needed
>> >> clearance.
>>
>> >> HTH
>>
>> >> Carl
>
Carl
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167713743.729158.220470@h40g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> dammit Carl, you never should have mentioned this. Now I want to do it
> right away! Sadly, I'll have to wait until I can afford it. I'm
> really glad I picked up the XJ, though, because now I can afford to
> take the YJ off the road for the time needed for the SOA conversion
> (after the XJ becomes road worthy, of course). $1000 sounds pretty
> good, even when I factor in the beer (another $500 or so, I'm
> thinking).
> I found a good article over on Jeep Tech on SOA and axle upgrades:
> http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/fordeb/
>
> The other idea that really really intrigues me is the 3/4 elliptical
> spring set up.
>
> On Jan 1, 7:26 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Yes, $400 if you want brand new reverse eye spring-over springs from
>> Rubicon.
>>
>> Lets see here...$40 for spring perches, $130 for shocks, $60 for a drop
>> pitman, $40ish for U-bolts, $40 for used springs I was able to buy, and
>> $400
>> for the SYE. Around $1000 total for everything, not counting Beer. Keep
>> in
>> mind that the SYE is needed for SOA and SUA.
>>
>> You're look at AT LEAST $1800 for a spring-under lift with everything,
>> and
>> you still dont have the advantages of spring-over such as awesome flex,
>> ride, and clearance.
>>
>> The drop pitman arm moves the drag link down 4" if you can find a 6" drop
>> pitman arm, that will work. I've also heard you can use a stock ZJ pitman
>> arm from the junkyard (it will provide 4" of drop) to save a little $$.
>>
>> I had intended to eventually do hi-steer, which would would need to do if
>> you went to a D44 up front. Don't grind the drag link, wait to see what
>> it
>> needs after it's done.
>>
>> The thing I hate about SUA is that 4" is it. There are some companies
>> that
>> offer 6" but the springs are so effing long it's ridiculous. You get 5-6"
>> from JUST the spring over. I forgot to mention that I also had 1" lift
>> shackles, and my custom wrangler springs gave me around another 1-1.5".
>> So I
>> had at least 7" of lift with incredible flex, ride, and clearance for
>> dirt
>> cheap. If you haven't seen the pictures, go back a few threads and find
>> the
>> link. It is *really* tall. The pics are on page two or three.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1167695746.062611.223030@k21g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>
>> > I'm assuming you mean $400 for four spring packs from Rubicon? Or did
>> > you just have them laying around?
>> > What would you say was your final cost with spring packs, SYE,
>> > driveshaft, etc.?
>> > Do you think the draglink could be moved up or down to eliminate the
>> > rubbing? Or should I just grind it down a little?
>>
>> > On Jan 1, 4:14 pm, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> >> Ha. I ran the spring over for about 6 months untill I sold the YJ. If
>> >> it's
>> >> done right, you'll love it. Don't buy a bolt-on kit. Check your angles
>> >> and
>> >> measurements and weld. The rear pinion should point exactly to the
>> >> t-case
>> >> output, minus 1 to 2 degrees. I upped my front pinion angle only 2
>> >> degrees
>> >> to try to keep as close to stock castor as possible.
>>
>> >> I had the 2.5L and axlewrap was a nominal issue. My stock springs did
>> >> eventually need replacement. You can buy spring-over springs (reverse
>> >> eye)
>> >> from Rubicon for around $100 each, and in either 1.5" lift or stock
>> >> height.
>> >> This allows you to buy two at a time, and still be cheaper than a
>> >> spring-under lift.
>>
>> >> I took 8 stock wrangler packs, and put the better mains in as mains,
>> >> the
>> >> worse mains as added mains with the spring eyes cut off, an extra
>> >> mid-leaf
>> >> in the rear, and an extra short leaf in each pack. This gave me 7 leaf
>> >> rears
>> >> and 6 leaf fronts. The ride was exceptional, the cost was $40, and
>> >> axlewrap
>> >> was eliminated.
>>
>> >> The other problem you'll run into is the drag link grazing the
>> >> passenger
>> >> side front leaf pack. I just didn't do anything about it. The spring
>> >> shaved
>> >> a tiny amount of material from my drag link, thus provididing the
>> >> needed
>> >> clearance.
>>
>> >> HTH
>>
>> >> Carl
>