87 YJ
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Take them back. Raising the suspension is going to create suspension and
possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
Earle
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
>
> The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
>
> I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > >
> > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
a bit
> > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
in
> > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
TC
> > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
new
> > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
just
> > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > >> by
> > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
the TC in
> > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
have
> > > > > >> problems
> > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > >> have
> > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
take our
> > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
You could
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > >
>
possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
Earle
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
>
> The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
>
> I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > >
> > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
a bit
> > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
in
> > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
TC
> > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
new
> > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
just
> > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > >> by
> > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
the TC in
> > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
have
> > > > > >> problems
> > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > >> have
> > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
take our
> > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
You could
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > >
>
#172
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Take them back. Raising the suspension is going to create suspension and
possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
Earle
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
>
> The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
>
> I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > >
> > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
a bit
> > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
in
> > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
TC
> > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
new
> > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
just
> > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > >> by
> > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
the TC in
> > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
have
> > > > > >> problems
> > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > >> have
> > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
take our
> > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
You could
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > >
>
possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
Earle
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
>
> The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
>
> I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > >
> > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
a bit
> > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
in
> > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
TC
> > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
new
> > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
just
> > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > >> by
> > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
the TC in
> > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
have
> > > > > >> problems
> > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > >> have
> > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
take our
> > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
You could
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > >
>
#173
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Not a low budget project though. "Hope" sometimes works, sometimes not. I
pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4592940F.FE5F7D4B@sympatico.ca...
> You can just put them on and hope. Some come with shims even. The
> u-bolts are only needed if you have to change the angles of the axles
> with shims so the driveshafts don't vibrate apart and the front end
> alignment isn't too far off.
>
> Just pay attention to the conditions of your u-joints and feel for
> vibrations. you might be ok if your existing springs are just sagged.
> It might bring the angles back even...
>
> What you have to watch for in the rear is the angle the u-joint at the
> t-case and at the rear pinion are. They want to be really close to
> parallel with each other.
>
> That means the plane through them is like |--------| or /-------/, not
> |-------/ or it will shake itself apart. Some folks have to lower the
> skid plate under the t-case to line things back up in the rear. There
> are kits for that or you can just use stacked washers as shims for it.
>
> Mike
>
> The Merg wrote:
> >
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a
front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have
likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the
new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever
photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd
for a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put
it in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely
for TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed
a new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs.
I just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard)
and the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going
to have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason
we take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order.
;^) You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4592940F.FE5F7D4B@sympatico.ca...
> You can just put them on and hope. Some come with shims even. The
> u-bolts are only needed if you have to change the angles of the axles
> with shims so the driveshafts don't vibrate apart and the front end
> alignment isn't too far off.
>
> Just pay attention to the conditions of your u-joints and feel for
> vibrations. you might be ok if your existing springs are just sagged.
> It might bring the angles back even...
>
> What you have to watch for in the rear is the angle the u-joint at the
> t-case and at the rear pinion are. They want to be really close to
> parallel with each other.
>
> That means the plane through them is like |--------| or /-------/, not
> |-------/ or it will shake itself apart. Some folks have to lower the
> skid plate under the t-case to line things back up in the rear. There
> are kits for that or you can just use stacked washers as shims for it.
>
> Mike
>
> The Merg wrote:
> >
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a
front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have
likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the
new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever
photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd
for a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put
it in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely
for TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed
a new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs.
I just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard)
and the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going
to have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason
we take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order.
;^) You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
#174
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Not a low budget project though. "Hope" sometimes works, sometimes not. I
pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4592940F.FE5F7D4B@sympatico.ca...
> You can just put them on and hope. Some come with shims even. The
> u-bolts are only needed if you have to change the angles of the axles
> with shims so the driveshafts don't vibrate apart and the front end
> alignment isn't too far off.
>
> Just pay attention to the conditions of your u-joints and feel for
> vibrations. you might be ok if your existing springs are just sagged.
> It might bring the angles back even...
>
> What you have to watch for in the rear is the angle the u-joint at the
> t-case and at the rear pinion are. They want to be really close to
> parallel with each other.
>
> That means the plane through them is like |--------| or /-------/, not
> |-------/ or it will shake itself apart. Some folks have to lower the
> skid plate under the t-case to line things back up in the rear. There
> are kits for that or you can just use stacked washers as shims for it.
>
> Mike
>
> The Merg wrote:
> >
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a
front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have
likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the
new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever
photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd
for a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put
it in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely
for TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed
a new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs.
I just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard)
and the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going
to have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason
we take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order.
;^) You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4592940F.FE5F7D4B@sympatico.ca...
> You can just put them on and hope. Some come with shims even. The
> u-bolts are only needed if you have to change the angles of the axles
> with shims so the driveshafts don't vibrate apart and the front end
> alignment isn't too far off.
>
> Just pay attention to the conditions of your u-joints and feel for
> vibrations. you might be ok if your existing springs are just sagged.
> It might bring the angles back even...
>
> What you have to watch for in the rear is the angle the u-joint at the
> t-case and at the rear pinion are. They want to be really close to
> parallel with each other.
>
> That means the plane through them is like |--------| or /-------/, not
> |-------/ or it will shake itself apart. Some folks have to lower the
> skid plate under the t-case to line things back up in the rear. There
> are kits for that or you can just use stacked washers as shims for it.
>
> Mike
>
> The Merg wrote:
> >
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a
front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have
likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the
new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever
photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd
for a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put
it in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely
for TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed
a new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs.
I just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard)
and the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going
to have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason
we take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order.
;^) You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
#175
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Not a low budget project though. "Hope" sometimes works, sometimes not. I
pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4592940F.FE5F7D4B@sympatico.ca...
> You can just put them on and hope. Some come with shims even. The
> u-bolts are only needed if you have to change the angles of the axles
> with shims so the driveshafts don't vibrate apart and the front end
> alignment isn't too far off.
>
> Just pay attention to the conditions of your u-joints and feel for
> vibrations. you might be ok if your existing springs are just sagged.
> It might bring the angles back even...
>
> What you have to watch for in the rear is the angle the u-joint at the
> t-case and at the rear pinion are. They want to be really close to
> parallel with each other.
>
> That means the plane through them is like |--------| or /-------/, not
> |-------/ or it will shake itself apart. Some folks have to lower the
> skid plate under the t-case to line things back up in the rear. There
> are kits for that or you can just use stacked washers as shims for it.
>
> Mike
>
> The Merg wrote:
> >
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a
front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have
likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the
new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever
photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd
for a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put
it in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely
for TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed
a new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs.
I just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard)
and the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going
to have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason
we take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order.
;^) You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4592940F.FE5F7D4B@sympatico.ca...
> You can just put them on and hope. Some come with shims even. The
> u-bolts are only needed if you have to change the angles of the axles
> with shims so the driveshafts don't vibrate apart and the front end
> alignment isn't too far off.
>
> Just pay attention to the conditions of your u-joints and feel for
> vibrations. you might be ok if your existing springs are just sagged.
> It might bring the angles back even...
>
> What you have to watch for in the rear is the angle the u-joint at the
> t-case and at the rear pinion are. They want to be really close to
> parallel with each other.
>
> That means the plane through them is like |--------| or /-------/, not
> |-------/ or it will shake itself apart. Some folks have to lower the
> skid plate under the t-case to line things back up in the rear. There
> are kits for that or you can just use stacked washers as shims for it.
>
> Mike
>
> The Merg wrote:
> >
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a
front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have
likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the
new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever
photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd
for a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put
it in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely
for TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed
a new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs.
I just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard)
and the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going
to have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason
we take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order.
;^) You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
#176
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
You're right, Earl, I'm going to throw them on anyway because I have
them and I'm bored. However, since I'm nothing more than a fairly
intelligent, mechanically-minded 23 year-old, I will follow your second
bit of advice and have everything checked out by a professional. Your
advice is too good to ignore completely.
As I'm sure you've figured out, I'm learning as I go. Naively, I'm
sure, I look at anything I do to my Jeeps as an opportunity to play
with things and learn how to 'do it right'. I guess I've been lucky -
I bought my YJ with a blown engine about 5 years ago and threw in a
used engine from a junkyard. 40k miles later, aside from routine
maintenance, I've had to replace the alternator, clutch, clutch master
cylinder, and that's about it.
I'm going to Johnson & Wales in Providence, RI for culinary school. I
felt kind of lost at 'regular' college (English major) and figured I
needed a change. Since I love cooking, I figured culinary school was a
good way to go. I figure even if I decide I don't want to cook for the
rest of my life, I can at least cook long enough to support finishing
my bachelor's.
I do watch Top Chef and the Food Network is on constantly - and I
wouldn't mind working in a camping and hiking store one bit.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Take them back. Raising the suspension is going to create suspension and
> possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
> vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
> interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
> driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
> a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
> make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
> afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
>
> My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
> camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
> hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
> internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
> takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
> Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
>
> Earle
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
> get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
> to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
> a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
> in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
> TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
> when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
> instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
> the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
> you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
> own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
> >
them and I'm bored. However, since I'm nothing more than a fairly
intelligent, mechanically-minded 23 year-old, I will follow your second
bit of advice and have everything checked out by a professional. Your
advice is too good to ignore completely.
As I'm sure you've figured out, I'm learning as I go. Naively, I'm
sure, I look at anything I do to my Jeeps as an opportunity to play
with things and learn how to 'do it right'. I guess I've been lucky -
I bought my YJ with a blown engine about 5 years ago and threw in a
used engine from a junkyard. 40k miles later, aside from routine
maintenance, I've had to replace the alternator, clutch, clutch master
cylinder, and that's about it.
I'm going to Johnson & Wales in Providence, RI for culinary school. I
felt kind of lost at 'regular' college (English major) and figured I
needed a change. Since I love cooking, I figured culinary school was a
good way to go. I figure even if I decide I don't want to cook for the
rest of my life, I can at least cook long enough to support finishing
my bachelor's.
I do watch Top Chef and the Food Network is on constantly - and I
wouldn't mind working in a camping and hiking store one bit.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Take them back. Raising the suspension is going to create suspension and
> possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
> vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
> interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
> driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
> a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
> make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
> afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
>
> My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
> camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
> hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
> internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
> takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
> Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
>
> Earle
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
> get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
> to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
> a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
> in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
> TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
> when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
> instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
> the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
> you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
> own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
> >
#177
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
You're right, Earl, I'm going to throw them on anyway because I have
them and I'm bored. However, since I'm nothing more than a fairly
intelligent, mechanically-minded 23 year-old, I will follow your second
bit of advice and have everything checked out by a professional. Your
advice is too good to ignore completely.
As I'm sure you've figured out, I'm learning as I go. Naively, I'm
sure, I look at anything I do to my Jeeps as an opportunity to play
with things and learn how to 'do it right'. I guess I've been lucky -
I bought my YJ with a blown engine about 5 years ago and threw in a
used engine from a junkyard. 40k miles later, aside from routine
maintenance, I've had to replace the alternator, clutch, clutch master
cylinder, and that's about it.
I'm going to Johnson & Wales in Providence, RI for culinary school. I
felt kind of lost at 'regular' college (English major) and figured I
needed a change. Since I love cooking, I figured culinary school was a
good way to go. I figure even if I decide I don't want to cook for the
rest of my life, I can at least cook long enough to support finishing
my bachelor's.
I do watch Top Chef and the Food Network is on constantly - and I
wouldn't mind working in a camping and hiking store one bit.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Take them back. Raising the suspension is going to create suspension and
> possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
> vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
> interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
> driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
> a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
> make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
> afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
>
> My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
> camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
> hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
> internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
> takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
> Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
>
> Earle
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
> get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
> to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
> a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
> in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
> TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
> when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
> instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
> the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
> you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
> own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
> >
them and I'm bored. However, since I'm nothing more than a fairly
intelligent, mechanically-minded 23 year-old, I will follow your second
bit of advice and have everything checked out by a professional. Your
advice is too good to ignore completely.
As I'm sure you've figured out, I'm learning as I go. Naively, I'm
sure, I look at anything I do to my Jeeps as an opportunity to play
with things and learn how to 'do it right'. I guess I've been lucky -
I bought my YJ with a blown engine about 5 years ago and threw in a
used engine from a junkyard. 40k miles later, aside from routine
maintenance, I've had to replace the alternator, clutch, clutch master
cylinder, and that's about it.
I'm going to Johnson & Wales in Providence, RI for culinary school. I
felt kind of lost at 'regular' college (English major) and figured I
needed a change. Since I love cooking, I figured culinary school was a
good way to go. I figure even if I decide I don't want to cook for the
rest of my life, I can at least cook long enough to support finishing
my bachelor's.
I do watch Top Chef and the Food Network is on constantly - and I
wouldn't mind working in a camping and hiking store one bit.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Take them back. Raising the suspension is going to create suspension and
> possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
> vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
> interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
> driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
> a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
> make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
> afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
>
> My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
> camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
> hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
> internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
> takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
> Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
>
> Earle
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
> get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
> to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
> a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
> in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
> TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
> when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
> instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
> the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
> you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
> own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
> >
#178
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
You're right, Earl, I'm going to throw them on anyway because I have
them and I'm bored. However, since I'm nothing more than a fairly
intelligent, mechanically-minded 23 year-old, I will follow your second
bit of advice and have everything checked out by a professional. Your
advice is too good to ignore completely.
As I'm sure you've figured out, I'm learning as I go. Naively, I'm
sure, I look at anything I do to my Jeeps as an opportunity to play
with things and learn how to 'do it right'. I guess I've been lucky -
I bought my YJ with a blown engine about 5 years ago and threw in a
used engine from a junkyard. 40k miles later, aside from routine
maintenance, I've had to replace the alternator, clutch, clutch master
cylinder, and that's about it.
I'm going to Johnson & Wales in Providence, RI for culinary school. I
felt kind of lost at 'regular' college (English major) and figured I
needed a change. Since I love cooking, I figured culinary school was a
good way to go. I figure even if I decide I don't want to cook for the
rest of my life, I can at least cook long enough to support finishing
my bachelor's.
I do watch Top Chef and the Food Network is on constantly - and I
wouldn't mind working in a camping and hiking store one bit.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Take them back. Raising the suspension is going to create suspension and
> possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
> vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
> interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
> driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
> a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
> make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
> afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
>
> My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
> camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
> hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
> internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
> takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
> Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
>
> Earle
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
> get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
> to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
> a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
> in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
> TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
> when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
> instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
> the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
> you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
> own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
> >
them and I'm bored. However, since I'm nothing more than a fairly
intelligent, mechanically-minded 23 year-old, I will follow your second
bit of advice and have everything checked out by a professional. Your
advice is too good to ignore completely.
As I'm sure you've figured out, I'm learning as I go. Naively, I'm
sure, I look at anything I do to my Jeeps as an opportunity to play
with things and learn how to 'do it right'. I guess I've been lucky -
I bought my YJ with a blown engine about 5 years ago and threw in a
used engine from a junkyard. 40k miles later, aside from routine
maintenance, I've had to replace the alternator, clutch, clutch master
cylinder, and that's about it.
I'm going to Johnson & Wales in Providence, RI for culinary school. I
felt kind of lost at 'regular' college (English major) and figured I
needed a change. Since I love cooking, I figured culinary school was a
good way to go. I figure even if I decide I don't want to cook for the
rest of my life, I can at least cook long enough to support finishing
my bachelor's.
I do watch Top Chef and the Food Network is on constantly - and I
wouldn't mind working in a camping and hiking store one bit.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Take them back. Raising the suspension is going to create suspension and
> possibly drive line problems. Whatever, it is guaranteed to make your
> vehicle less reliable. Lifting a vehicle is a complicated process with many
> interacting vehicle systems involved, usually to the detriment of your
> driving experience unless you do it right. There is really no such thing as
> a "touch of lift". If you ignore this advice, which you are sure to do,
> make sure to have the caster checked at a professional truck alignment shop
> afterwards. You'll probably ignore that advice too.
>
> My friend graduated from culinary school and now works in his father's
> camping and hiking equipment store. My neighbor's daughter, on the other
> hand, graduated from a different program and just got back from a month
> internship in Provence, France, one of the nicest places in the world. It
> takes all kinds. Don't count your chickens. Heh, have you watched "Top
> Chef" or "Hell's Kitchen" yet?
>
> Earle
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167202779.751895.324760@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
> > Uh oh, I didn't realize the shackle lift was that much trouble -
> > naivete I guess. Still, they're already purchased, so I'm just going
> > to put them on anyway. I'll check out the u-bolts.
> >
> > The YJ is still probably a year or two away from a full suspension
> > upgrade (lift, wheels and tires, lower gears, etc.) because I'm
> > relatively broke right now and I leave for culinary school in March.
> > After school - 15 month program - when I get a good job, then I'll go
> > nuts. Right now I just want to add a touch of lift to compliment the
> > 30" tires (from a '00 TJ Sport), nothing major.
> >
> > I also got a soundbar, but I'm worried that I'm going to bang my head
> > on it (I'm 6'2"). Does anyone else have a soundbar in a YJ? Right now
> > only the driver's side speaker works. Would it make sense to just
> > fabricate some brackets that would raise the bar a few inches?
> >
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> > >
> > > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> > >
> > > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > > these for the shims.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > >
> > > The Merg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > > > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > > > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > > > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> > > >
> > > > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> > > >
> > > > The Merg wrote:
> > > > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't
> get
> > > > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed
> to have
> > > > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for
> a bit
> > > > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
> in
> > > > > > > neutral?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
> TC
> > > > > > > maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> new
> > > > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> just
> > > > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> neutral, but
> > > > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil
> when driven
> > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
> instructed to tow
> > > > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
> the TC in
> > > > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> have
> > > > > > >> problems
> > > > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing
> you could
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> shift
> > > > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> take our
> > > > > > >> rigs
> > > > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> You could
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who
> own these
> > > > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Earle
> > > > > > >
> >
#179
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Hey Earle,
Would you be happier if I sent the shackles back and got a body lift?
Are there similar driveline problems with those too? Or do they have
problems just different ones?
Thanks again to everyone for all the help.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Not a low budget project though. "Hope" sometimes works, sometimes not. I
> pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
> The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
> Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
>
> Earle
Would you be happier if I sent the shackles back and got a body lift?
Are there similar driveline problems with those too? Or do they have
problems just different ones?
Thanks again to everyone for all the help.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Not a low budget project though. "Hope" sometimes works, sometimes not. I
> pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
> The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
> Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
>
> Earle
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Hey Earle,
Would you be happier if I sent the shackles back and got a body lift?
Are there similar driveline problems with those too? Or do they have
problems just different ones?
Thanks again to everyone for all the help.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Not a low budget project though. "Hope" sometimes works, sometimes not. I
> pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
> The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
> Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
>
> Earle
Would you be happier if I sent the shackles back and got a body lift?
Are there similar driveline problems with those too? Or do they have
problems just different ones?
Thanks again to everyone for all the help.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Not a low budget project though. "Hope" sometimes works, sometimes not. I
> pray daily to the Roman goddess Fortuna, but she's a bit of a fickle ----.
> The stock YJ is marginal with respect to drive line alignment problems.
> Sure there is a chance a shackle lift is not going to make that worse.
>
> Earle